Upshot for the Rest of the Class (2014 Edition)

[calvegas04]

I'm curious what Hickey has to say about Cage after his visit is over.

prob gonna report on what kind of shoes he was wearing, or hat

 

[koonja]

Kuehnja is getting sauced tonight, and you're the winner IE.

I'm offering 1:1 odds on Quick

2:1 odds on Cage

2:1 odds on Garnett

and the steal of the day, 1:1 odds on Alexander.

Taking all bets until I've spent my last penny. First come first serve!

 

[Irish YJ]

Kuehnja is getting sauced tonight, and you're the winner IE.

I'm offering 1:1 odds on Quick

2:1 odds on Cage

2:1 odds on Garnett

and the steal of the day, 1:1 odds on Alexander.

Taking all bets until I've spent my last penny. First come first serve!

Garnett.....
500M gets me 1B ,,,, I'll take that bet!
Cheers!

 

[koonja]

Garnett.....
500M gets me 1B ,,,, I'll take that bet!
Cheers!

Wait a second (and ignore the rep that says 'deal').

Maybe I wrote it wrong, but I meant 2:1 that he chooses ND. As in, I'll bet 100 to win 200. You would bet 200 to win 100.

Sorry for my ignorance of odds, lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wait a second (and ignore the rep that says 'deal').

Maybe I wrote it wrong, but I meant 2:1 that he chooses ND. As in, I'll bet 100 to win 200. You would bet 200 to win 100.

Sorry for my ignorance of odds, lol.

ah kuehnja,,, damn it,,,, put the bottle down.

 

[koonja]

ah kuehnja,,, damn it,,,, put the bottle down.

Haha, touche. But let me continue to plead ignorance... If I meant it the way you read it, that/Cage would have definitely been my 'steal', not Alexander at 1:1.

 

[Irish YJ]

Haha, touche. But let me continue to plead ignorance... If I meant it the way you read it, that/Cage would have definitely been my 'steal', not Alexander at 1:1.

hey man,,, just keep drinking till you agree with me.
LMAO

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'm offering 2014 odds also:

Elam a C cup by first practice: 2:1

Vanderdoes sidelined at least one game with yeast infection: 3:1

Winston finally finishes "Green Eggs and Ham": 5:1

Mora coaches game with coke rings around nostrils: 7:1

Saban seems genuinely pleased by a player's performance at least once over the course of 13 games: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1

 

[koonja]

I'm offering 2014 odds also:

Elam a C cup by first practice: 2:1

Vanderdoes sidelined at least one game with yeast infection: 3:1

Winston finally finishes "Green Eggs and Ham": 5:1

Mora coaches game with coke rings around nostrils: 7:1

Saban seems genuinely pleased by a player's performance at least once over the course of 13 games: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1

Would it count against me if he makes it into a 'D'? If not, I'm in.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Would it count against me if he makes it into a 'D'? If not, I'm in.

(Started to "clarify" the bet with a nipple joke, threw up in my mouth, and hung up on this post)

 

[PANDFAN]

I'm offering 2014 odds also:

Elam a C cup by first practice: 2:1

Vanderdoes sidelined at least one game with yeast infection: 3:1

Winston finally finishes "Green Eggs and Ham": 5:1

Mora coaches game with coke rings around nostrils: 7:1

Saban seems genuinely pleased by a player's performance at least once over the course of 13 games: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000:1

Would it count against me if he makes it into a 'D'? If not, I'm in.

don't forget the freshman 15 however with his current weight there would need to be a theorem to convert to his freshman addition in lbs....so this is also going to have an impact on the cup size....don't take anything under E cup

 

[Bogtrotter07]

No way is he a bigger want than Quick.

Yes, but is he faster?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

He is a bigger want for me than Quick. Sorry I'm not sorry.

We are all ND fans here. So we are all sorry. Just ask the boomer sooners, or whatever the fVck they are called.

I would like to here your logic further. I think we are more loaded at WR than anyone has yet expressed. Even with coaches allowing information about the Death Star offense reaching critical (talent) mass, which would be an indication that the WR's are there. This is a particularly important shift in the paradigm, since we just lost TJ (who when you look at his body of works wasn't chopped liver) to graduation, and we lost DD, if but for a semester, to the phantom academic load that ND student/athletes are subjected. Is that the reason you don't see Quick as as big a need?

Or do you think our defensive secondary needs more help?

Or do you think we will be playing more players defensively?

Or do you think TA is a more gifted returner than MQ?

Or do you think TA is a more gifted player and or more gifted play maker that MQ?

Or do you just think that Alexander is just faster than Quick?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[rocket66]

Upshot for the Rest of the Class (2014 Edition)

I can't fathom how anyone would want a 3* CB that the staff got in late on because there is some room for bodies over a high 4* top 50 playmaker that the staff has been all over since day 1 and who is taylor-made for BK's offense.

I like Alexander a lot too, but this one is a no-brainer.

 

[Ironman8]

I can't fathom how anyone would want a 3* CB that the staff got in late on because there is some room for bodies over a high 4* top 50 playmaker that the staff has been all over since day 1 and who is taylor-made for BK's offense.

I like Alexander a lot too, but this one is a no-brainer.

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. That's is the only no-brainer here.

1. I could really care less about recruiting rankings. They are nice to cite and look at and all, but you can't take them on the field with you. When I see Alexander's film and read his interviews, I believe the kid is a vastly superior prospect to where he is currently ranked. He is a fast, athletic, instinctive and confident cover CB prospect, who can also help out on all special teams units.

2. CB is not only a position of much greater current need than WR, but it has historical been a much harder position for ND to recruit at a high level than WR. That is a no-brainer fact. If we (hopefully) get Alexander, he immediately becomes one of the best pure cover corners we have signed in the past decade IMO. I would only put Darrin Walls and Gary Gray and Nick Watkins above him as prospects coming out of HS. Thank God we lucked out on the K. Russell move.

3. In conjunction with the above, the shift in philosophy from Diaco to BVG's system is paramount in this discussion, and why a) he was targeted and actively recruited late, and b) is so important IMO. We are going to be playing a lot more straight up man coverage on the outside, and in the first couple years be using big corners targeted for their length in a zone defense tailored to simply prevent the big play. Alexander has all the tools to see the field early as either a nickel and dime CB, or help out on the outside because his experience at a powerhouse program being utilized the same way.

Alexander > anyone else on the roster save Russell as a cover corner IMO.

4. As stated above, he comes from a powerhouse program in Louisiana, a state which we absolutely should be recruiting harder and with more success considering the amount of powerhouse private Christian schools down there. Getting kids like Alexander, Garnett, Tillery, etc would not only be a boon to our team for their individual talents, but it opens extremely important doors in a state we have had a lot of trouble getting a foothold in.

5. Also stated above, I think we are stacked at WR moving forward. I think Quick is a very good prospect, but with guys like Brown, Robinson, Fuller, Hunter, Prosise, Onwaulu, Brent, Holmes etc. all having multiple years of eligibility left, I have no worries about the state of that position. It is also a position ND doesn't have a ton of trouble in getting guys that are very good, unlike DL or CB.

I don't think Quick is a program changing type recruit, which is why I don't think getting him is more important that shoring up a position of greater current and historical need with a kid from a state we have had trouble recruiting and a skillset and confidence level that we really haven't seen a lot of on the roster recently.

That's my opinion. You can agree to disagree. But to dismiss anyone else's as wrong or incorrect simply because you cannot or will not recognize another side to an argument is just silly, and defeats the entire purpose of this board.

 

[Irish#1]

You are entitled to your opinion, as am I. That's is the only no-brainer here.

1. I could really care less about recruiting rankings. They are nice to cite and look at and all, but you can't take them on the field with you. When I see Alexander's film and read his interviews, I believe the kid is a vastly superior prospect to where he is currently ranked. He is a fast, athletic, instinctive and confident cover CB prospect, who can also help out on all special teams units.

2. CB is not only a position of much greater current need than WR, but it has historical been a much harder position for ND to recruit at a high level than WR. That is a no-brainer fact. If we (hopefully) get Alexander, he immediately becomes one of the best pure cover corners we have signed in the past decade IMO. I would only put Darrin Walls and Gary Gray and Nick Watkins above him as prospects coming out of HS. Thank God we lucked out on the K. Russell move.

3. In conjunction with the above, the shift in philosophy from Diaco to BVG's system is paramount in this discussion, and why a) he was targeted and actively recruited late, and b) is so important IMO. We are going to be playing a lot more straight up man coverage on the outside, and in the first couple years be using big corners targeted for their length in a zone defense tailored to simply prevent the big play. Alexander has all the tools to see the field early as either a nickel and dime CB, or help out on the outside because his experience at a powerhouse program being utilized the same way.

Alexander > anyone else on the roster save Russell as a cover corner IMO.

4. As stated above, he comes from a powerhouse program in Louisiana, a state which we absolutely should be recruiting harder and with more success considering the amount of powerhouse private Christian schools down there. Getting kids like Alexander, Garnett, Tillery, etc would not only be a boon to our team for their individual talents, but it opens extremely important doors in a state we have had a lot of trouble getting a foothold in.

5. Also stated above, I think we are stacked at WR moving forward. I think Quick is a very good prospect, but with guys like Brown, Robinson, Fuller, Hunter, Prosise, Onwaulu, Brent, Holmes etc. all having multiple years of eligibility left, I have no worries about the state of that position. It is also a position ND doesn't have a ton of trouble in getting guys that are very good, unlike DL or CB.

I don't think Quick is a program changing type recruit, which is why I don't think getting him is more important that shoring up a position of greater current and historical need with a kid from a state we have had trouble recruiting and a skillset and confidence level that we really haven't seen a lot of on the roster recently.

That's my opinion. You can agree to disagree. But to dismiss anyone else's as wrong or incorrect simply because you cannot or will not recognize another side to an argument is just silly, and defeats the entire purpose of this board.

I would agree that a lock down corner is more important than a WR. It just opens up the free safety to better make plays since he doesn't have to assist from sideline to sideline.

 

[IrishLax]

So I just realized that the way things are trending, Massa and Heggie are almost certain to get 5th years. At least we'll get to 85.

 

[ThePiombino]

So I just realized that the way things are trending, Massa and Heggie are almost certain to get 5th years. At least we'll get to 85.

Shoot me in the face. One of the things I was most excited for this upcoming season was being out from under both those schollies. No offense to either, but they will never contribute meaningful minutes. Ever.

 

[PerthDomer]

Remember Goodman's TD catch vs. MSU? Massa is likely the same calibur player. Plus 5th year guys like that are like coaches on the field and help bring along the younguns

 

[Ironman8]

Shoot me in the face. One of the things I was most excited for this upcoming season was being out from under both those schollies. No offense to either, but they will never contribute meaningful minutes. Ever.

Out from under? The only reason they are back is because we have those scholarships available. Why not use them, especially for two guys that actually do have defined roles on the team? Massa is the holder on FGs and EPs, and will serve as an emergency backup QB. Heggie is an extra scholarship OL with a lot of time in the S&D program who will help a lot on the practice field.

Would I have loved those 2 scholarships go to very good prospects we wanted this year? Sure. But because that isn't likely to happen, I think it is actually the smart and prudent thing to do to bring both guys back for the one year on scholarship and save the rides for the small '15 class, rather than take reaches in the '14 class and creating a scenario where it actually will take a while to get 'out from under' scholarships.

 

[pkt77242]

Remember Goodman's TD catch vs. MSU? Massa is likely the same calibur player. Plus 5th year guys like that are like coaches on the field and help bring along the younguns

Massa is no where near the athlete that Goodman was or anywhere as polished of a WR. That is almost laughable.

 

[IrishLax]

Remember Goodman's TD catch vs. MSU? Massa is likely the same calibur player. Plus 5th year guys like that are like coaches on the field and help bring along the younguns

Luke Massa is nowhere close to the caliber receiver of John Goodman. I dunno what you're looking at to make that statement.

 

[gkIrish]

I think we all agree that 2015 is the target year for a championship run. This is some weird logic but maybe it's better to let Massa/Heggie go so that we don't devote ANY more time whatsoever to their development. Start grooming someone else to be the FG holder. Devote that extra 1% of time to the young O-Lineman. I realize you can train two people at once but if there's any benefit at all to the younger kids if they weren't on the team anymore (considering their minimal to zero impact on the field) then maybe you don't ask them back.

In other words, if Massa is locked into the holder spot, that means some other kid isn't getting those reps--which hurts our 2015 campaign.

 

[NDdomer2]

Mazda is no where near the athlete that Goodman was or anywhere as polished of a WR. That is almost laughable.

Zoom - Zoom

 

[PerthDomer]

Remember when 2013 was the championship year and 2012 was just gonna be building to that. Yea me too.

 

[Luckylucci]

Remember Goodman's TD catch vs. MSU? Massa is likely the same calibur player. Plus 5th year guys like that are like coaches on the field and help bring along the younguns

I hate to pile on here but that's way off.

 

[Ironman8]

Remember when 2013 was the championship year and 2012 was just gonna be building to that. Yea me too.

Remember when the starting RS Freshman QB who led us to the NCG in '12 was suspended for 2013? Yea me too.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Luke Massa is nowhere close to the caliber receiver of John Goodman. I dunno what you're looking at to make that statement.

Given the QB situation it makes sense to have him back back at third string there. Kizer is a bit of a project and won't even have spring ball to help acclimate him. As it stands the Irish are two injuries at the position away from epic disaster. Changing that to being two injuries away from regular disaster has some genuine value, IMO.

EDIT: Kinlaw should be in there somewhere - maybe even ahead of Kizer. If Massa is brought back and that allows Kinlaw to work at his projected future position rather than working at QB then it's another positive effect.

 

[gkIrish]

Remember when the starting RS Freshman QB who led us to the NCG in '12 was suspended for 2013? Yea me too.

I think he was responding to my post talking about preparing for 2015 run.

 

[IrishLax]

Given the QB situation it makes sense to have him back back at third string there. Kizer is a bit of a project and won't even have spring ball to help acclimate him. As it stands the Irish are two injuries at the position away from epic disaster. Changing that to being two injuries away from regular disaster has some genuine value, IMO.

Totally agree. I think Massa has value as a scout team or "emergency" especially depending on what you want to do with Kizer.