A New Division For Power Conferences?

[Irish YJ]

True to an extent. The big leagues will always have the top, the middle, the bottom. Ultimately it would come down to size of the university, prowess with the pigskin, etc.. If we are using IU as an example, it has the size, low prowess in FB, but is a national power in BB and Soccer. That will be enough to keep them in a power conference. KU is survived and that is the point. Still part of the big boy conferences. There has to be a cut off somewhere.

My whole point is that, in everything there is small, medium, and big. insides those clubs, there are elite bigs, mediocre bigs, and cellar dweller bigs. They are all still bigs. The smalls or mediums shouldn't expect to be bigs just because one sport might compete every now and then with the mediocre bigs. Not everyone deserves to be a big. Where that line is, I don't know.

Sounds like we're starting to debate socialist vs capitalist football.

I love college hoops and used to believe the bolded too. Then, when the Big XII almost collapsed/absorbed into the sec/pac 10 a couple years ago, my opinion changed.

I'd say while we think b-ball is pretty damn big, it's really not...not compared to football. Kansas, one of the bluest of the blue blood programs in college basketball, a team with tons of loyal and fanatic fans, a program that ranks up near the top in attendance every year, a team just recently removed from a title (and on the precipice of another title game appearance), etc., etc. was going to be left by the wayside when major conference realignment almost happened a couple years ago. On top of that KU wasn't that far removed from an Orange Bowl season and a couple other decent years under Jabba the Hut.

Point being that if KU, who can stand toe-to-toe with IU basketball any day of the week (plus have a fairly successful football team while some of this was occurring, unlike IU), can get left at the altar...then any team who doesn't generate a lot of money in football can get left at the altar, basketball and any other successful sport be damned.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't dribble, much as I've tried. It's more a bouncy-bouncy-bouncy the ball thing in my case.

I'm also able to keep my saliva in my mouth. Although since I'm "getting on in years" it may just be a short matter of time.

I do spew drivel now and then. Sometimes in earnest, sometimes for effect, sometimes in jest.

"Power," historically, is fleeting.

"Gifted," and the value assigned, is in the eye of the beholder. Results may vary. Randy Moss, a bottom feeder of a man, may well have been a fully paid Notre Dame Man had Lou had his way.

My point is simple: excellence should be recognized and encouraged, be it designing an aerodynamic design for dimples on a golf ball or perfecting a technique for a bump set in volleyball. To be football centric and revenue centric at the expense of being liberal arts (universal) centric is folly.

As Randy Newman posited "it's money that matters." As William Shakespeare posited "Better a witty fool than a foolish wit."

What is, is. What isn't might be.

You just showed your hand with the liberal reference

Tangent alert.....

IMO, on the liberal arts subject, and arts in general..... I'm all for education. History, arts, etc., all valuable things. They do have a place. They are however not mainstream, and lack practical application outside of the arts and education realms/societies. Take it for what you will, but the masses/99.9% make a living doing something practical.

My point,,,, I'm all for market driven education. I'd prefer to prepare the youth for real life needs, then to see so many of our youth unable to find jobs because they are not qualified --- just because they followed their heart and took a major in history/literature/etc.. I can't tell you how many people I've interviewed, or how many people I've managed that are unhappy with what they deem meaningless degrees. It is very rare that the history major finds a history job...... They end up taking an unrelated job, and work the slower path to another career.

Also something to be said that witty fools typically rely on the rich for their backing. Shakes himself was a product of well to do practical parents.

 

[Irish YJ]

Anyone get that movie quote???

We must do something about this immediately!!!

 

[Black Irish]

You just showed your hand with the liberal reference

Tangent alert.....

IMO, on the liberal arts subject, and arts in general..... I'm all for education. History, arts, etc., all valuable things. They do have a place. They are however not mainstream, and lack practical application outside of the arts and education realms/societies. Take it for what you will, but the masses/99.9% make a living doing something practical.

My point,,,, I'm all for market driven education. I'd prefer to prepare the youth for real life needs, then to see so many of our youth unable to find jobs because they are not qualified --- just because they followed their heart and took a major in history/literature/etc.. I can't tell you how many people I've interviewed, or how many people I've managed that are unhappy with what they deem meaningless degrees. It is very rare that the history major finds a history job...... They end up taking an unrelated job, and work the slower path to another career.

Also something to be said that witty fools typically rely on the rich for their backing. Shakes himself was a product of well to do practical parents.

I was thinking along these lines just yesterday. While some entitled bitch was bending my ear about her just awful restaurant experience I was thinking to myself, "that's what I get for majoring in English."

 

[Irish YJ]

I was thinking along these lines just yesterday. While some entitled bitch was bending my ear about her just awful restaurant experience I was thinking to myself, "that's what I get for majoring in English."

LMAO! Practical life experience with impeccable timing!

If you had to do it all over again, what would you do?

 

[domerfreak]

R U Fucking Serious? I prefer to think that you, like me, are averse to use of the "sarcasm font." Yep, yup, damn straight, youfugon wid me, hiijodeputo, youbetcha.

"The Little Guy" is "The American way.

Bitching about something because you don’t think it’s fair because someone else has it better than you is not the American way buddy. That’s called a sense of entitlement. Alabama, Michigan, USC, ND, tosu, ect, ect earned the right to pave the way for the “little guy” to make a name for themselves. I agree with lax here. With the exception of Boise the little guy should probably not be biting the hand that feeds them.

 

[Black Irish]

LMAO! Practical life experience with impeccable timing!

If you had to do it all over again, what would you do?

It's not the majoring in English part that was a problem, it was not developing a solid plan at an early age on how to do something with it.

 

[ResLife Hero]

So the autonomy proposal looks like it's going to move forward:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Power 5 conferences get the 60% & 3 of 5 conference voting threshold it wanted in revised NCAA autonomy proposal.</p>— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS/statuses/490144335115988992">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The NCAA explains how autonomy could work (the Power 5 are getting more of what they want). <a href="http://t.co/P6zlwcBWXw">pic.twitter.com/P6zlwcBWXw</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/490145045995995138">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[sparkyND]

So the autonomy proposal looks like it's going to move forward:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Power 5 conferences get the 60% & 3 of 5 conference voting threshold it wanted in revised NCAA autonomy proposal.</p>— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS/statuses/490144335115988992">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The NCAA explains how autonomy could work (the Power 5 are getting more of what they want). <a href="http://t.co/P6zlwcBWXw">pic.twitter.com/P6zlwcBWXw</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/490145045995995138">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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How would ND fit into this autonomy system?

 

[ResLife Hero]

How would ND fit into this autonomy system?

From May (updated Tuesday):
Notre Dame AD Swarbrick addresses hot issues - South Bend Tribune: Football

SBT: The whole NCAA reform movement is, I think, intriguing and confusing to a lot of people. It appears there’s probably going to be autonomy for the 65 schools that are in the “Power 5” conferences, which Notre Dame is a part of. How do you feel about that and where do you hope that leads?
Swarbrick: I think the concept of autonomy is absolutely a good thing, because it reflects there are growing differences in the models among the members of the NCAA. Difference has been reflected over the years by different divisions, right? Division I is different than II is different than III. Well within Division I there are now increasing differences.
And this is a way that allows you to keep the division intact, but recognize those differences, so I think it’s a very creative solution. And I think it’s the right solution.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>In less than 3 weeks we’ll know (Aug 7 vote) if NCAA has a new model allowing more benefits for students</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/490147350175047680">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>NCAA releases new proposal for Power 5 autonomy. They got almost everything they wanted voting-wise. <a href="http://t.co/lQ9eZJpqDV">http://t.co/lQ9eZJpqDV</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/statuses/490144605564727296">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Here's how NCAA rules could be passed in the near future. (Hint: The big schools would have even more power). <a href="http://t.co/p7HBvCTl3X">http://t.co/p7HBvCTl3X</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/490162649015914496">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>June Jones says the 'have-nots' should start playing their games in spring <a href="http://t.co/njYDWN9OlB">http://t.co/njYDWN9OlB</a> I don't love it. Zach <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TopTurnbuckled?src=hash">#TopTurnbuckled</a> it.</p>— FootballScoop Staff (@footballscoop) <a href="https://twitter.com/footballscoop/statuses/490179901270401025">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Even if NCAA autonomy passes as expected, challenges await. Read comments from DI administrators/conferences. <a href="http://t.co/KlO1D9f5NR">http://t.co/KlO1D9f5NR</a></p>— Jon Solomon (@JonSolomonCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonSolomonCBS/statuses/490191938054680576">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[wizards8507]

Wasn't sure where else to put this.

Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 commissioner, says 'cheating pays' in NCAA, 'enforcement broken' - ESPN

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Stanford?src=hash">#Stanford</a>'s David Shaw offers some very strong words of caution on some hot-button NCAA issues: <a href="http://t.co/hwsbE31ECU">http://t.co/hwsbE31ECU</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/492703479899492352">July 25, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Majority of Power Five coaches favor only playing Power Five*teams <a href="http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU">http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU</a></p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/statuses/497400843495161860">August 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I think this should be a requirement if they're going to establish a separate division or league, and it'd make for much better games on TV. Just will have to get used to a champion with a few losses over the year (not a problem at all IMO).

 

[koonja]

https://twitter.com/matt_fortuna/status/497398406394822656

 

[Cali_domer]

https://twitter.com/matt_fortuna/status/497398406394822656

Loyalty, love it even though I can't stand the Navy game.

 

[NDWorld247]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Majority of Power Five coaches favor only playing Power Five*teams <a href="http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU">http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU</a></p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/statuses/497400843495161860">August 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I think this should be a requirement if they're going to establish a separate division or league, and it'd make for much better games on TV. Just will have to get used to a champion with a few losses over the year (not a problem at all IMO).

My initial reaction to the idea of Power 5 schedules consisting of only Power 5 schools was positive, but there are some interesting thoughts from opposing coaches in the original ESPN article: Majority of Power Five coaches want Power Five-only schedules - ESPN

Arizona's Rich Rodriguez, the lone dissenting Pac-12 coach, said "some of those [non-Power Five teams] are better than the so-called 'haves' [Power Five teams]."

Big 12 coaches favored it by a 6-4 margin, but Kansas State's Bill Snyder was against it. Snyder's reasoning was that the Wildcats annually need seven home games because of the amount of money brought into the Manhattan, Kansas, community. By playing only Power Five opponents, Snyder said K-State would not be able to schedule seven home games each season.

Texas' Charlie Strong also was against it because he said the Longhorns are committed to playing an annual home game against a non-Power Five school from Texas. The Longhorns have played a smaller in-state school in three of the past five seasons and open this year against North Texas.

Even though Notre Dame has never played an FCS team and plays almost exclusively Power Five opponents already, Irish coach Brian Kelly said he would be against it if it meant no longer playing Navy.

Kelly said removing Navy from Notre Dame's schedule would be "a deal-breaker." Even with teams playing tougher schedules, Kelly said he doesn't favor teams with losing records playing in bowls.

After reading the article, I think moving to FBS only schedules is the best compromise. Each team plays 11 Power 5 games and has the option to schedule one FBS opponent which could be another Power 5 if they want. For ND, it would be Navy. The FCS is already playing by different rules (e.g. scholarship limits) and that gap is only going to widen with the changes coming to the Power 5/FBS, so getting rid of Power 5 vs. FCS needs to happen.

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Majority of Power Five coaches favor only playing Power Five*teams <a href="http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU">http://t.co/j9fybP9RDU</a></p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/statuses/497400843495161860">August 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Whoever wrote that headline is either misinformed about the results of the vote, or they have no idea what "majority" means. The vote was 46% in favor, 35% opposed, 19% undecided. There was no "majority" position whatsoever. I believe the word they're looking for is "plurality." Also acceptable: "relative majority."

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick: "People assume a measure of [Power 5] unity that doesn’t exist." <a href="http://t.co/PJBNJN0EG6">http://t.co/PJBNJN0EG6</a></p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/statuses/497475600731619330">August 7, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ResLife Hero]

Board adopts new Division I structure | NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org

 

[Ndaccountant]

So, how do the schools offer stipends or full cost in the face of Title IX?

 

[T Town Tommy]

So does the decision today now put more pressure on ND to officially join the ACC? Gotta think some in the Power Five is gonna bring it up at some point.

 

[ResLife Hero]

So does the decision today now put more pressure on ND to officially join the ACC? Gotta think some in the Power Five is gonna bring it up at some point.

Our affiliation already counts us in the power 5. Swarbrick is a damn genius for making that happen.

Why Notre Dame's Brian Kelly wouldn't support Power 5 sked | CSN Chicago

 

[Buster Bluth]

So does the decision today now put more pressure on ND to officially join the ACC? Gotta think some in the Power Five is gonna bring it up at some point.

Should they join, look for the ACC to add Navy too.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Our affiliation already counts us in the power 5. Swarbrick is a damn genius for making that happen.

Why Notre Dame's Brian Kelly wouldn't support Power 5 sked | CSN Chicago

What about the push to go to nine conference games? I think that is where ND will get some pressure. It seems like that is one of the biggest things being pushed, especially by the Pac 12 schools since they already play the nine games.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Should they join, look for the ACC to add Navy too.

I think it's great that ND voted no to the proposal due to the ND-Navy game. Both programs have helped each other out through the years. That relationship should always try to be preserved IMO.