'12 CA CB Tee Shepard (Ole Miss Transfer)

[Bogtrotter07]

Maybe he's just dumb.

I think my point was that overly simple label words like dumb, or lazy, or even crazy, aren't used by families and those with literacy about kids with special challenges.

And the world isn't geared for them.

It is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Just doesn't work

I agree with everything BGIF said. I think it is all perspective. Frankly, hearing everything, I don't understand how Tee or Eddie was ever accepted at ND. ND is a school where you have to be top percentile, mainstream.

I have tried to make this point twice before. There are kids that need help to do things the way other kids do, as well as they do.

My problem comes in with the bureaucrats, politicians, and those who are so dogmatic in their outlook that they believe that, A) "Things were better in the old days;" B) Everyone should have to tow the same mark. Because, the real industrialists, and entrepreneurs that I have known try to get the most out of every resource. After all we have the technology, and the understanding that one size doesn't need to fit all.

So take a kid that cannot read going through the standard program. Find out why. Can he learn that way? If not, all of a sudden you don't have to try to heap counterproductive blame on the system that is really doing the best job in history. Then you find you have enough resources to help those that don't fit within two standard deviations. Real power. The next step.

To me, the real question for Tee is will Tee ever get a chance to play pro ball. That is where he needs to be, if he is good enough.

 

[Irish#1]

It is extremely hard to get a FA invite to an NFL camp without experience. Playing two years at a Juco may not be enough.

 

[dublinirish]

It is extremely hard to get a FA invite to an NFL camp without experience. Playing two years at a Juco may not be enough.

he will have to go to those regional combines most likely

 

[tommyIRISH23]

That's ashame what happened to Tee. It's very common for students to get passed along for a variety of reason, not just athletics. I had a friend growing up who was highly disruptive in the classroom, came from a fundamentally screwed up home life, and is functionally illiterate at 28 years old. He was passed along through the educational system because he was a "problem" that teachers did not want to deal with so they just passed him forward. It's terrible. I see this all the time. I am a Detective assigned to the Juvenile Unit; the kids I come into contact with on a daily basis whom are 15-18 years old have absolutely no chance in succeeding in life because they're brought into and raised in a world that lacks any form of morality or societal structure. The state has tried to pick up the role as parent and is failing miserably. I assume that it's a similar situation in our educational system. At some point the burden has to be shifted back to the family.

 

[Irish#1]

he will have to go to those regional combines most likely

That makes it even harder IMO.

That's ashame what happened to Tee. It's very common for students to get passed along for a variety of reason, not just athletics. I had a friend growing up who was highly disruptive in the classroom, came from a fundamentally screwed up home life, and is functionally illiterate at 28 years old. He was passed along through the educational system because he was a "problem" that teachers did not want to deal with so they just passed him forward. It's terrible. I see this all the time. I am a Detective assigned to the Juvenile Unit; the kids I come into contact with on a daily basis whom are 15-18 years old have absolutely no chance in succeeding in life because they're brought into and raised in a world that lacks any form of morality or societal structure. The state has tried to pick up the role as parent and is failing miserably. I assume that it's a similar situation in our educational system. At some point the burden has to be shifted back to the family.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That makes it even harder IMO.



Couldn't agree more.

Neither could I. Except when there is no family. Or when five generations of the family has suffered the same. Pretty soon someone will figure out maybe a different approach is needed.

No disrespect for any hardworking person. Or one who deals with the problems of real life every day. But just as you do the right thing every day detective, so does the educational system.

It is just today, people want to raise standards and narrow focus that leaves more students out in the cold. And then they want to blame that on the students.

Kind of like the "Do Lung Bridge Scene" :

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[PANDFAN]

Penn, a chara,

I am sorry. I didn't get what you were asking me. Are you stating that Tee does not have problems with grades, and test results? There are like fifteen-hundred "spectrum disorders." Most of which are wiring issues. The person of whom I speak has hearing and speech deficiencies as does Tee.

Also, people want to divide things into classroom and social-communications. There are more than these two different areas which spectrum disorders can affect. There are all kinds of things about organization, attention, and focus that play into this conversation.

The young man that I was speaking with could do math (basic functions) beyond what I am used to seeing out of college students. Way beyond. But he had to spend a year learning the most basic budgeting issues. Look to esoteric or abstract personal resource planning issues. Not complex ones.


Beir bua agus beannacht,

Bogs

not saying tee doesn't have issues w/ grades but when i hear the word spectrum it is most commonly used w/ autism but is used by the DSM for these as i have listed
Types of spectrum
3.1 Anxiety, Obsessions, Compulsions, Stress and Dissociation
3.2 General developmental disorders
3.3 Psychosis
3.4 Mood
3.5 Substance use
3.6 Paraphilias and obsessive compulsive spectrum

 

[Bogtrotter07]

not saying tee doesn't have issues w/ grades but when i hear the word spectrum it is most commonly used w/ autism but is used by the DSM for these as i have listed
Types of spectrum
3.1 Anxiety, Obsessions, Compulsions, Stress and Dissociation
3.2 General developmental disorders
3.3 Psychosis
3.4 Mood
3.5 Substance use
3.6 Paraphilias and obsessive compulsive spectrum

Read down further to Broad Spectrum Approach.

And the one grouping reference this Wikipedia article misses is the most important, cognitive disorders.

"The term may describe deficits in global intellectual performance, such as mental retardation, it may describe specific deficits in cognitive abilities (learning disorders, dyslexia), or it may describe drug-induced cognitive/memory impairment, such as that seen with alcohol, glucocorticoids, and the benzodiazepines. Cognitive deficits may be congenital or caused by environmental factors such as brain injuries, neurological disorders, or mental illness."

For example consider, or read about SCT. Something that was indistinguishable from ADD, then ADHD, then ADHD-PI. SCT may affect 5% of the population, and chances are, you may never have heard of it. And it may clearly show up as deficient cognitive awareness or a deficiency with IQ score.

 

[Irish#1]

not saying tee doesn't have issues w/ grades but when i hear the word spectrum it is most commonly used w/ autism but is used by the DSM for these as i have listed
Types of spectrum
3.1 Anxiety, Obsessions, Compulsions, Stress and Dissociation
3.2 General developmental disorders
3.3 Psychosis
3.4 Mood
3.5 Substance use
3.6 Paraphilias and obsessive compulsive spectrum

Read down further to Broad Spectrum Approach.

And the one grouping reference this Wikipedia article misses is the most important, cognitive disorders.



For example consider, or read about SCT. Something that was indistinguishable from ADD, then ADHD, then ADHD-PI. SCT may affect 5% of the population, and chances are, you may never have heard of it. And it may clearly show up as deficient cognitive awareness or a deficiency with IQ score.

Do we need to start a new medical thread? lol

 

[Cackalacky]

Yeah I don't think its our place to diagnose a kid with a disorder from our own computers without ever having met the young man. I will leave it to professionals.

 

[Cackalacky]

This is clearly a case of mental illness, mental illness that begets mental illness. There are roughly 60 million kids in America fourteen and under. How many cases of this have you found?

And do you know the circumstances? Was this done with the parents consent, participation, or was it done without their knowledge?

Because if you are showing this as a case of bad parenting, the instigating male identifies himself as an "uncle."

Was this case investigated by the local child protection agency? I just called a friend, because in Lucas County, our agency would be in front of a Common Please Judge in Juvenile court within about 24 hours.

So I am suspect of the motivation and orientation of this tape. Is it's sole point to prove that there are some incredibly stupid fellow members? I was already aware of that!

It was used by the Omaha police department as part of showing the public an example of the thug cycle. The child has been taken into protective custody.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Love how dedicated he is to the school he currently attends. You wont find many college athletes who will faithfully stay with the Juco they are at as opposed to move on to a better situation.

 

[peoriairish]

Love how dedicated he is to the school he currently attends. You wont find many college athletes who will faithfully stay with the Juco they are at as opposed to move on to a better situation.

But he is leaving to go to another JUCO.

 

[greyhammer90]

But he is leaving to go to another JUCO.

Just trying to help out JUCO's any way he can. Good Guy Tee.

 

[STLDomer]

Committed to Mississippi State

 

[Irish YJ]

Hope it works out for him. Any potential thorn in the side for Bama, LSU, TAMU, etc. I'm all for

 

[AvesEvo]

Good for him! I hope he excels.

 

[rtrn2glory]

i hope he stays eligible

 

[BGIF]

I hope he gets a useful education rather that being kept eligible.

 

[rtrn2glory]

yea that's probably how i should have put it

 

[pkt77242]

i hope he stays eligible

I don't think that Miss. St. will have a problem keeping him eligible, Hell he might not even have to go to class.

 

[BGIF]

yea that's probably how i should have put it

I hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine. I was following up on the post before your's.

 

[ND NYC]

Committed to Mississippi State

wont surprise me if he kicks ass next year down there...ive always pulled for this kid. at the end of the day, he always wanted to be here, (was here!)...but it just didnt work out. no good guy, no bad guy here.

 

[Corry]

wont surprise me if he kicks ass next year down there...ive always pulled for this kid. at the end of the day, he always wanted to be here, (was here!)...but it just didnt work out. no good guy, no bad guy here.

A quick aside, if he does really well and sets the world on fire, can he go pro after this up coming year?

 

[Irish#1]

Best of luck Tee.

 

[BGIF]

A quick aside, if he does really well and sets the world on fire, can he go pro after this up coming year?

Yes, You have to be 3 years out of HS (Tee was '12) and apply for Special Eligibility (Underclassman).

 

[stlnd01]

Yes, You have to be 3 years out of HS (Tee was '12) and apply for Special Eligibility (Underclassman).

Didn't he not actually attend high school his normal senior year? (fall of '11)? Or was it just that he couldn't play football and then "EE"d to Notre Dame?
Which reminds me: This kid's whole last four years are like some big cautionary tale. Hope he makes it to good things at Miss. State.

 

[Irish To The Core]

This is good news. He always seemed like a genuinely nice guy. He just had some academic issues. I hope he tears it up at MSU.

 

[sportallyr]

Just glad he didn't end up at USC!!! I want to root for this kid...but no way in hell could I root for a trojan!

 

[dublinirish]

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