Silly Season '13 (Coaching Changes)

[Cackalacky]

My point is that his opinion doesn't have to be the same as yours to be valid.

Really????

Nor does the evidence for said opinion have to pass some sort of legitimacy test that you require. And lastly, ridiculing him for said opinion and evidence is ignorant.

Thank you for telling my obviously hyperbolic and jestfful posts were ignorant when I in fact posted an actual response. Maybe you want to go read the FIRE Longo!!!! thread or any other of the numerous threads keuhnja has derailed with his same "opinions."

The correct response is to debate with him and attempt to sway him to your opinion, not bash him and post satirical nonsense.

I did post a response. One that went ignored. You wont sway him to any conclusion by debate. If you know about his posting habits that would be clear.

 

[koonja]

Texas and USC are givens above Alabama.

So I believe Florida's combination of conference, location, talent in the state, and overall quality of life being >>> Alabama's (sure Alabama is a 'fine place to live', but does anyone want to argue living in Alabama >>> Florida?).

That gives me 4 total (Texas, USC, plus Florida and FSU).

I'd also argue that going forward, Texas A/M will be a more desirable job post-Saban because it has the luxury of being in the heart of the biggest talent pool in the country (not to mention, better quality of life, but that's just my opinion), and it's now part of the beloved SEC.

That's 5.

I'd also argue OSU is a better job than Alabama, post-Saban, but that's debatable and I'm not even sold on believing that; it's just personal preference Columbus > Tuscaloosa. Regardless, this would be my 6th, so I don't need it. I don't want to talk about ND because I'm bias towards it, but I think you can definitely argue ND is more attractive than Bama, but it could go the other way too.

But I'm crazy for having AM/Florida(s), USC and Texas ahead of Alabama as the most attractive CFB jobs? Well then I'm crazy, along with a ton of other people.

So continue with the belittling. You haven't changed my opinion at all.

 

[ickythump1225]

Texas and USC are givens above Alabama.

So I believe Florida's combination of conference, location, talent in the state, and overall quality of life being >>> Alabama's (sure Alabama is a 'fine place to live', but does anyone want to argue living in Alabama >>> Florida?).

Have you ever been to Gainesville or the surrounding areas? Gainesville is NOT way better than Tuscaloosa. Sure Florida>>>Alabama but that part of Florida is not all that great. I mean if we were talking about South Beach or PC that would be one thing.

 

[irishog77]

LA also has smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

LA also has smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

Ha ha ha if you are making a million dollars a year you will rarely deal with most of these issues.

People with little knowledge of LA make me giggle...

 

[Cackalacky]

Ha ha ha if you are making a million dollars a year you will rarely deal with most of these issues.

People with little knowledge of LA make me giggle...

Which is why a butt load of money and the ability to win matter for premier coaching jobs.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Hoping for Ed O to WKU with Petrino out. Someone's gotta hire that guy.

Jeff Brohm is the favorite at WKU

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Brohm hired at WKU

Reports: WKU to promote OC Jeff Brohm to head coach - CBSSports.com

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Which is why a butt load of money and the ability to win matter for premier coaching jobs.

I've never heard of a coach in any sport, collegiate or pro, say to an owner or AD "there are a lot of gangs, bums... and oh yeah no snow in the city. Ima need an extra 500k" lol


Most of the issues he listed are for poor/lower-middle class people.

 

[irishog77]

Ha ha ha if you are making a million dollars a year you will rarely deal with most of these issues.

People with little knowledge of LA make me giggle...

How will making a million dollars effect smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

All those things will still exist.

A person may prefer some aspects of Location X to Location Y, or have the means to avoid certain aspects (quality education, for example), but that doesn't stop those aspects from being less true. Parking, for instance, may not be a as a big of a hinderance to a wealthy person...but it doesn't mean it still isn't hard to find parking spots in many parts of L.A., or that he won't have to pay out $20-$40 just to park.

And for the record, my knowledge of L.A. isn't "little."

The things I initially listed, by and large, aren't a factor at all in Tuscaloosa.

 

[Cackalacky]

I've never heard of a coach in any sport, collegiate or pro, say to an owner or AD "there are a lot of gangs, bums... and oh yeah no snow in the city. Ima need an extra 500k" lol


Most of the issues he listed are for poor/lower-middle class people.

I thought he was pointing out the absurdity of making quality of life a big deal. For people making that much money, quality of life is not different other than maybe weather. UM and NS are still living in huge mansions and rolling deep.

 

[GreenSox04]

BOB taking Vrabel from pOSU to houston.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

LA also has smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

Ha ha ha if you are making a million dollars a year you will rarely deal with most of these issues.

People with little knowledge of LA make me giggle...

So if you make a million you rarely deal w what exactly?
Smog? No
Earthquakes? No
Ridiculous Traffic? No way
High Taxes? No
Ridiculous Cost of living? No
Lack of 4 seasons (if that's your thing)? No

I guess you could probably avoid driving in the smog through ridiculous traffic to see the places where the crime rate is high, but many of those others? Nope, you are subject to them highly compensated or not.

Edit: Just saw Hogs post that looks eerily similar. Nice post Hog!

 

[Cackalacky]

How will making a million dollars effect smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

All those things will still exist.

The things I initially listed, by and large, aren't a factor at all in Tuscaloosa.

Although a runaway mobile home can cause quite the damage.

 

[irishog77]

L.A. is Elysium...if you make $1,000,000!

 

[koonja]

#3 most valuable Football Program (Behind Texas and ND)in 2013 despite its relatively small state population. Its value has risen 20% since 2009.
College Football's Most Valuable Teams 2013: Texas Longhorns Can't Be Stopped - Forbes

ranked 2nd behind Oregon in contributions at $33 million. It got $21 million from conference payout.
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It has massive history and football crazy fans.

They are a fucking good team with no end in sight.

They have a school president who will do anything to keep the program at the top level.

The school will give massive power and control to the coach.

They pay all of their coaches really, really, really, well.

Boosters, former players, and the surrounding business community will furnish your players with furniture and other arrangements with or with out the schools knowledge (this is a very important concept and is highly acceptable to both players and the school).

Alabama is actually a very nice place to live. I am not sure if you have ever been there.

Athalon article - Alabama #3 most desireable coaching gig.
Ranking All 125 College Football Coaching Jobs for 2013 | AthlonSports.com

Alabama Facilities tour
Alabama's new football facility: A photo tour - SBNation.com (I can still remember Weis talking about the guys playing the Xbox in the lounge...lol)

But hey I am just being an asshole.

1) You're going strictly on revenue? By that logic and your article, USC is outside of the top 10. Seems to contradict your argument, considering you agreed USC is ahead of Alabama, no?

But if you want to use articles, let's see some others than have Alabama outside of the top 5 best coaching jobs (not sure why we're using other people's sources, because we're talking about my opinion here, but hey, you started it and I'll play along:

Georgia - College Football's 20 Best Coaching Jobs - Photos - SI.com

The Sunday List: The 10 best head-coaching jobs in college football | Chris Murray's Blog

10 Most Desirable College Football Coaching Jobs | Bleacher Report

Texas, Ohio State headline 20 best college football coaching jobs - Andy Staples - SI.com

I could go on, but again, this is my opinion so IDK why were using other sources. But these people agree.

2) Almost all of the things you double spaced are true for most SEC teams. And the two that aren't (complete control and well paid assistants) comes with winning, something that is Saban-specific. If Saban leaves, you think they next Bama coach is stepping in at > 5 million per year? If so, pass me what you're smoking.

3) I'm sure it is. But better than Florida, California, hell, even Texas? I don't think you'll say that, but if you do, agree to disagree.

4) This is part of your argument in your more recent post which I didn't quote, but you say Florida is a bad job because they're not winning the past couple of years? Who cares? They're still a big name in the premier conference in a perfect location (although you disagree maybe), and have won titles recently. And I'd argue it's BETTER to take over a program who's last coach has struggled. Yes, taking over a huge program who hasn't won recently is more attractive IMO.

Think about this. Do you want to take over USC after Pete Carrol or Lane Kiffen? Lane Kiffen, all day. This isn't a huge deal, as Florida would be a more attractive job than Alabama IMO whether or not the current coach is winning or losing, but you mentioned their 'shambles' so I wanted to share.

 

[ulukinatme]

BOB taking Vrabel from pOSU to houston.

Wow, really? I hadn't seen that yet. Buckeyes are gonna be pissed, although they'll probably be happy for Vrabel getting a chance. He was a pretty good recruiter and good at getting players motivated.

 

[ulukinatme]

Texas and USC are givens above Alabama.

So I believe Florida's combination of conference, location, talent in the state, and overall quality of life being >>> Alabama's (sure Alabama is a 'fine place to live', but does anyone want to argue living in Alabama >>> Florida?).

That gives me 4 total (Texas, USC, plus Florida and FSU).

I'd also argue that going forward, Texas A/M will be a more desirable job post-Saban because it has the luxury of being in the heart of the biggest talent pool in the country (not to mention, better quality of life, but that's just my opinion), and it's now part of the beloved SEC.

That's 5.

I'd also argue OSU is a better job than Alabama, post-Saban, but that's debatable and I'm not even sold on believing that; it's just personal preference Columbus > Tuscaloosa. Regardless, this would be my 6th, so I don't need it. I don't want to talk about ND because I'm bias towards it, but I think you can definitely argue ND is more attractive than Bama, but it could go the other way too.

But I'm crazy for having AM/Florida(s), USC and Texas ahead of Alabama as the most attractive CFB jobs? Well then I'm crazy, along with a ton of other people.

So continue with the belittling. You haven't changed my opinion at all.

This isn't really about personal preference though. If we're talking personal preference, ND would be the #1 job for just about everyone on this site. On the previous page you were arguing that 'Bama wasn't a Top 5 coaching gig, nothing to do with personal preference. We're talking general perception of most coaches, and the likelihood that 'Bama could land any coach they wanted if Saban were to leave tomorrow.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Wow, really? I hadn't seen that yet. Buckeyes are gonna be pissed, although they'll probably be happy for Vrabel getting a chance. He was a pretty good recruiter and good at getting players motivated.

yea i think he belongs in the NFL though

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

How will making a million dollars effect smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

All those things will still exist.

A person may prefer some aspects of Location X to Location Y, or have the means to avoid certain aspects (quality education, for example), but that doesn't stop those aspects from being less true. Parking, for instance, may not be a as a big of a hinderance to a wealthy person...but it doesn't mean it still isn't hard to find parking spots in many parts of L.A., or that he won't have to pay out $20-$40 just to park.

And for the record, my knowledge of L.A. isn't "little."

The things I initially listed, by and large, aren't a factor at all in Tuscaloosa.

I answered these Q's earlier and then you answered your own Q.

Sure they exist but in no major way is that going to hamper their life.

 

[irishog77]

Irish Hog's Top 5 Football Coaching Jobs (IMO):

1) Vanderbilt
2) TSU
3) Belmont University (when they get a team)
4) Lipscomb University (when they get a team)
5) Trevecca Nazarene (when they get a team)

And a bonus 6th school:
6) Fisk University (when they get a team)

 

[Cackalacky]

1) You're going strictly on revenue? By that logic and your article, USC is outside of the top 10. Seems to contradict your argument, considering you agreed USC is ahead of Alabama, no?

But if you want to use articles, let's see some others than have Alabama outside of the top 5 best coaching jobs (not sure why we're using other people's sources, because we're talking about my opinion here, but hey, you started it and I'll play along:

Georgia - College Football's 20 Best Coaching Jobs - Photos - SI.com

The Sunday List: The 10 best head-coaching jobs in college football | Chris Murray's Blog

10 Most Desirable College Football Coaching Jobs | Bleacher Report

Texas, Ohio State headline 20 best college football coaching jobs - Andy Staples - SI.com

I could go on, but again, this is my opinion so IDK why were using other sources. But these people agree.

2) Almost all of the things you double spaced are true for most SEC teams. And the two that aren't (complete control and well paid assistants) comes with winning, something that is Saban-specific. If Saban leaves, you think they next Bama coach is stepping in at > 5 million per year? If so, pass me what you're smoking.

3) I'm sure it is. But better than Florida, California, hell, even Texas? I don't think you'll say that, but if you do, agree to disagree.

4) This is part of your argument in your more recent post which I didn't quote, but you say Florida is a bad job because they're not winning the past couple of years? Who cares? They're still a big name in the premier conference in a perfect location (although you disagree maybe), and have won titles recently. And I'd argue it's BETTER to take over a program who's last coach has struggled. Yes, taking over a huge program who hasn't won recently is more attractive IMO.

Think about this. Do you want to take over USC after Pete Carrol or Lane Kiffen? Lane Kiffen, all day. This isn't a huge deal, as Florida would be a more attractive job than Alabama IMO whether or not the current coach is winning or losing, but you mentioned their 'shambles' so I wanted to share.

Obfuscation. Defined.
You wanted examples. I gave you examples particularly the amount of money available to an Alabama coach. I also gave you a great tour of Alabama's facilities which are way above par even for the SEC. You go and find a bunch of random SI articles and blogs. Congrats you can search the web.

Do I think the next person to follow Saban will make his money? Not initially but that new coach will know if he can continue winning he could be paid that and the school will/can.

I disagree with having to take over after a coach leaving a program in disrepair. Strong has his work cut out for him and may not make it. Muschamp walked into a fire and it is not improving after 3 years. Kelly has had to scratch and claw to be competitive at ND? What is that worth?

As far as the other things you say you keep moving goalposts. I don't even know what you are saying.

 

[Cackalacky]

I want to coach at S. H. I. T.

 

[STLDomer]

Vrabel to the Texans


Dante Booker please???

 

[ickythump1225]

LA also has smog, earthquakes, a huge homeless population, gangs, high crime rates, ridiculous traffic, bad public transportation, shitty parking, high taxes, unions, a ridiculous cost of living, transients, and a lack of 4 true seasons.

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[Cackalacky]

Irish Hog's Top 5 Football Coaching Jobs (IMO):

1) Vanderbilt
2) TSU
3) Belmont University (when they get a team)
4) Lipscomb University (when they get a team)
5) Trevecca Nazarene (when they get a team)

And a bonus 6th school:
6) Fisk University (when they get a team)

Tittie State University?

 

[Emcee77]

Vrabel to the Texans


Dante Booker please???

OMG I'd be hugging strangers and doing a lot of this:

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[Emcee77]

I want to coach at S. H. I. T.

Lol from Accepted ... nice

 

[irishog77]

Tittie State University?

Unfortunately no. Tennessee State University

 

[tko]

1) You're going strictly on revenue? By that logic and your article, USC is outside of the top 10. Seems to contradict your argument, considering you agreed USC is ahead of Alabama, no?

But if you want to use articles, let's see some others than have Alabama outside of the top 5 best coaching jobs (not sure why we're using other people's sources, because we're talking about my opinion here, but hey, you started it and I'll play along:

Georgia - College Football's 20 Best Coaching Jobs - Photos - SI.com

The Sunday List: The 10 best head-coaching jobs in college football | Chris Murray's Blog

10 Most Desirable College Football Coaching Jobs | Bleacher Report

Texas, Ohio State headline 20 best college football coaching jobs - Andy Staples - SI.com

I could go on, but again, this is my opinion so IDK why were using other sources. But these people agree.

2) Almost all of the things you double spaced are true for most SEC teams. And the two that aren't (complete control and well paid assistants) comes with winning, something that is Saban-specific. If Saban leaves, you think they next Bama coach is stepping in at > 5 million per year? If so, pass me what you're smoking.

3) I'm sure it is. But better than Florida, California, hell, even Texas? I don't think you'll say that, but if you do, agree to disagree.

4) This is part of your argument in your more recent post which I didn't quote, but you say Florida is a bad job because they're not winning the past couple of years? Who cares? They're still a big name in the premier conference in a perfect location (although you disagree maybe), and have won titles recently. And I'd argue it's BETTER to take over a program who's last coach has struggled. Yes, taking over a huge program who hasn't won recently is more attractive IMO.

Think about this. Do you want to take over USC after Pete Carrol or Lane Kiffen? Lane Kiffen, all day. This isn't a huge deal, as Florida would be a more attractive job than Alabama IMO whether or not the current coach is winning or losing, but you mentioned their 'shambles' so I wanted to share.

LET IT GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!