'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

[Irish To The Core]

The point wasn't about them being lame or not. The argument that was being made was that a recruit that committed in part because of a Pot a Gold was essentially a moron.

False. You are resorting to purposeful misrepresenting of the arguments of those who happen to disagree with you. Go back and find one reference to a prospective recruit as a "moron" or any synonym of moron for that matter.

I also challenge you to find even one quote from someone who presented an opinion counter to yours referencing recruits who "committed in part" because of the mail outs. In actual fact the arguments were consistently aimed at hypothetical recruits for whom these mail outs were the/a major factor in influencing their decision.

Finally you also misrepresent whether the point was that the mail outs were "lame". In fact the statements I made were that I found them "kitsch" or "tacky". Both of those adjectives are synonyms for "lame" as I understand the word.

So in fact, nothing you wrote here is correct. I do believe you are resorting to deliberate misrepresentation of arguments which run counter to your own. Is it "odd" or "unreasonable" to expect honest discourse rather than deceptive misrepresentation?

 

[Irish To The Core]

That's actually what I meant. Point being that everyone that got one gave a positive reaction to it. It was an A+ on every level for the people that matter.

I appreciate what you have said Irish Lax. Actually many of the posts in favor of the "Pot O' Gold" are exactly the kind of mature discussion this forum was created to facilitate.

To e quite honest, I have softened in my opposition to the mail outs because of two particularly inciteful comments: a) it is a way to make contact with a recruit during the restricted period around Christmas and b) the attention these mail outs receive is publicity which creates a buzz.

Those are actually pretty good defenses for "The Pot of Gold" initiative. I have said that I suppose there is no harm in these things especially when they are linked to aspects of the Notre Dame heritage like the number of ND players drafted. I still remain underwhelmed by this particular recruiting tool and I still maintain that they are only of any significant use with recruits who are heavy ND leans or verbal commits. But I am willing to admit that they are not as SECish as I first thought.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

False. You are resorting to purposeful misrepresenting of the arguments of those who happen to disagree with you. Go back and find one reference to a prospective recruit as a "moron" or any synonym of moron for that matter.

I also challenge you to find even one quote from someone who presented an opinion counter to yours referencing recruits who "committed in part" because of the mail outs. In actual fact the arguments were consistently aimed at hypothetical recruits for whom these mail outs were the/a major factor in influencing their decision.

Finally you also misrepresent whether the point was that the mail outs were "lame". In fact the statements I made were that I found them "kitsch" or "tacky". Both of those adjectives are synonyms for "lame" as I understand the word.

So in fact, nothing you wrote here is correct. I do believe you are resorting to deliberate misrepresentation of arguments which run counter to your own. Is it "odd" or "unreasonable" to expect honest discourse rather than deceptive misrepresentation?

We've been over this sooooo much dude.

Again:

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

This is the post that started it all.

Maybe you didn't say moron but what you are implying here is that there exist recruits who are dumb enough to base a recruiting decision on mailings. You can tell me to respond to the actual words or you post until you're blue in the face but the fact is that there are natural implications of everything one says.

I beg you for clarification of what "shallow" meant in this context if not that the kid does not have an understanding of life? recruiting? Notre Dame? that is up to standards with what you think is an acceptable reason for making a decision.

Please, leave this argument alone.

 

[Irish To The Core]

We've been over this sooooo much dude.

Again:



This is the post that started it all.

Maybe you didn't say moron but what you are implying here is that there exist recruits who are dumb enough to base a recruiting decision on mailings. You can tell me to respond to the actual words or you post until you're blue in the face but the fact is that there are natural implications of everything one says.

I beg you for clarification of what "shallow" meant in this context if not that the kid does not have an understanding of life? recruiting? Notre Dame? that is up to standards with what you think is an acceptable reason for making a decision.

Please, leave this argument alone.

First you "beg" for clarification. Then you instruct me to leave the argument alone. Don't you see that these two requests run counter to one another?

So, I will comply with the first request for clarification and ignore the second request for editorial control.

Shallow, in this case, refers to a person who focuses on superficial facets when formulating an opinion or reaching a decision. A shallow person is not necessarily less intelligent, he just has less lofty aspirations or goals. "Moron" does not in any way function as a replacement for shallow as I have used it. I stand by my statement 100%. If these mail outs are really a major factor in landing a recruit then I would call that recruit shallow. His priorities are focused on superficial trickery rather than the many things that make Notre Dame a great place from which to get an education. If a sack full of pretty colored mail is that big a deal then I doubt that such a kid will have the motivation to put in the work in the classroom to succeed. Do I think any of the kids who were sent "Pot O' Golds" is that kind of kid? No, I have no reason to think that.

Don't quote me. Criticize my words and then tell me to "leave this argument alone". Who are you to invoke closure saving the last misleading word for himself?

 

[DillonHall]

First you "beg" for clarification. Then you instruct me to leave the argument alone. Don't you see that these two requests run counter to one another?

So, I will comply with the first request for clarification and ignore the second request for editorial control.

Shallow, in this case, refers to a person who focuses on superficial facets when formulating an opinion or reaching a decision. A shallow person is not necessarily less intelligent, he just has less lofty aspirations or goals. "Moron" does not in any way function as a replacement for shallow as I have used it. I stand by my statement 100%. If these mail outs are really a major factor in landing a recruit then I would call that recruit shallow. His priorities are focused on superficial trickery rather than the many things that make Notre Dame a great place from which to get an education. If a sack full of pretty colored mail is that big a deal then I doubt that such a kid will have the motivation to put in the work in the classroom to succeed. Do I think any of the kids who were sent "Pot O' Golds" is that kind of kid? No, I have no reason to think that.

Don't quote me. Criticize my words and then tell me to "leave this argument alone". Who are you to invoke closure saving the last misleading word for himself?

The problem with your point of view is that you're making too many assumptions about people that you don't know.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

First you "beg" for clarification. Then you instruct me to leave the argument alone. Don't you see that these two requests run counter to one another?

So, I will comply with the first request for clarification and ignore the second request for editorial control.

Shallow, in this case, refers to a person who focuses on superficial facets when formulating an opinion or reaching a decision. A shallow person is not necessarily less intelligent, he just has less lofty aspirations or goals. "Moron" does not in any way function as a replacement for shallow as I have used it. I stand by my statement 100%. If these mail outs are really a major factor in landing a recruit then I would call that recruit shallow. His priorities are focused on superficial trickery rather than the many things that make Notre Dame a great place from which to get an education. If a sack full of pretty colored mail is that big a deal then I doubt that such a kid will have the motivation to put in the work in the classroom to succeed. Do I think any of the kids who were sent "Pot O' Golds" is that kind of kid? No, I have no reason to think that.

Don't quote me. Criticize my words and then tell me to "leave this argument alone". Who are you to invoke closure saving the last misleading word for himself?

I am Broseidon, Lord of the Brocean.

You really take things personally, don't you?

 

[Irish To The Core]

And this guy: Kaneyoufeelit negative reps me because I won't be bullied. Who is forcing you to read my RESPONSES to your insults?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

And this guy: Kaneyoufeelit negative reps me because I won't be bullied. Who is forcing you to read my RESPONSES to your insults?

Nobody has bullied you, dude. It's a freaking message bored and we disagree with you. The argument was done until you revived it. We are just spinning our wheels here. Forgive me for possibly upsetting you by taking the last word but I will bow out. You win man.

This guy: Irish To The Core negative reps me because I negative repped him.

 

[Irish To The Core]

The problem with your point of view is that you're making too many assumptions about people that you don't know.

I disagree. In fact the only assumptions I am making are about hypothetical shallow people. I am not referring to anybody as shallow, I am saying I highly doubt any of the recruits we are targeting are that shallow.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Nobody has bullied you, dude. It's a freaking message bored and we disagree with you. The argument was done until you revived it. We are just spinning our wheels here. Forgive me for possibly upsetting you by taking the last word but I will bow out. You win man.

Yes it is a message board, that much we can agree on. But on a message board insulting comments, hounding a person with misrepresentations of his arguments, or suggesting that he stop posting on the board because you and like minded posters don't like what he says or the way he says it are absolutely bullying type behaviors. I am not going to bow to your insults and insinuations. Feel free to insult me if you wish, but you will not cow me me. If you wish to end this discussion, go ahead. But do not suppose that you have the right to tell me to take your insulting and condescending posts quietly.

 

[STLDomer]

 

[Irish To The Core]

Why do you fellas assume that some derision like this will end this discussion? If you hate it so much quit addressing me with your criticism. I tried to move on and discuss Nyles himself but: just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in!

 

[Classic Irish]

Can we please get back to Nyles Morgan?

 

[NDdomer2]

opinion noted, lets move on

feel like this still applies.

 

[rikkitikki08]

So how about that Nyles Morgan guy, you know the guy ND is recruiting to play ILB for the next 4 years? How about him? Hmmm? Can we discuss that for a moment?

 

[NDohio]

So how about that Nyles Morgan guy, you know the guy ND is recruiting to play ILB for the next 4 years? How about him? Hmmm? Can we discuss that for a moment?

He's a good player. I want him on my team.

 

[NDFAN22]

Isd intel made it seem very clear that he will pick ND.

 

[koonja]

Isd intel made it seem very clear that he will pick ND.

If you could summarize ISD's Intel for this week in this thread: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/147781-isd-intel-9.html

We would love you long time.

 

[PANDFAN]

If you could summarize ISD's Intel for this week in this thread: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/147781-isd-intel-9.html

We would love you long time.

check someone did

 

[Domina Nostra]

Sounds like people now agree that we are the team to beat, though he is a little more private than some other recruits.

 

[Irish#1]

Isd intel made it seem very clear that he will pick ND.

I likeee

 

[Luckylucci]

I get really excited thinking about this LB group with Nyles in the mix.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Does anyone think he would play immediately?? I havent watched any tape and with losing fox/calabrese we should have some inexperience either way. Although its nice to get grace back he was starting to play pretty well imo

 

[PANDFAN]

Does anyone think he would play immediately?? I havent watched any tape and with losing fox/calabrese we should have some inexperience either way. Although its nice to get grace back he was starting to play pretty well imo

do yourself a favor and watch....fast/hard hitting/tenacious

 

[koonja]

If Carlo and Fox are good enough to start at MLB, then Morgan is physically ready. It all depends on how fast he can get the playbook down, IMO. Given that Diaco's now gone, it might not take 3 years, lol.

 

[Rizzophil]

Manti was a beast coming out of high school and all the coaches said he shouldn't be playing as a freshman

 

[FearTheBeard]

I just watched his tape, what a stud haha. Really hope we get him, would be awesome to go along with Jaylon and company

 

[Luckylucci]

Does anyone think he would play immediately?? I havent watched any tape and with losing fox/calabrese we should have some inexperience either way. Although its nice to get grace back he was starting to play pretty well imo

Yes. Its important to differentiate the difference between playing right away and being the Day 1/stand alone starter. He won't be that. Jaylon wouldn't have been that if it wasn't for Spond going down and Councell getting injured as well. I believe game 1 he won't start but will see time at ILB and by the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me if he is playing significant minutes (50/50) split.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Yes. Its important to differentiate the difference between playing right away and being the Day 1/stand alone starter. He won't be that. Jaylon wouldn't have been that if it wasn't for Spond going down and Councell getting injured as well. I believe game 1 he won't start but will see time at ILB and by the end of the season it wouldn't surprise me if he is playing significant minutes (50/50) split.

I think thats a good point. Its alot to adjust to and learn; could be somewhat similar to folston this year just probably with more playing time though

 

[Luckylucci]

I think thats a good point. Its alot to adjust to and learn; could be somewhat similar to folston this year just probably with more playing time though

Kelly even said that its usually around week 6 when you can get freshman rb's in the game.

I think Nyles will be getting some first team reps right of the bat in fall camp. They'll see how he does and go from there.