I support Phil of Duck Dynasty

[wizards8507]

I'm not talking about Phil. I could give a shit what that hick thinks.

It's only a sin because 5,000 years ago Jews were offended by it and made their fake god be against it.

Thank you, Buster, for showing us what liberals mean when they say "tolerance of others."

Buster, be our light, shine in our hearts, shine through the darkness. Buster, be our light. Shine in your church, gathered today.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Robertson is clearly just an ignorant person based on his comments on black people and homosexuality. I wouldn't expect him to be too worldy though.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

This country has become sensitive to every thing. You can't tell the truth unless you a prepared to get slammed if your view is different then the others.

I respect the man to then the gods honest truth. He didn't lie and beat around the bush. But you still got the truth.

You have to sugar coat everything so you look good and don't hurt peoples feelings.

Oh and look what A&E has made off this family if it wasn't for this show their Bank account would look a lot different.

I'm not talking about Phil. I could give a shit what that hick thinks.

It's only a sin because 5,000 years ago Jews were offended by it and made their fake god be against it.

Thank you, Buster, for showing us what liberals mean when they say "tolerance of others."

Buster, be our light, shine in our hearts, shine through the darkness. Buster, be our light. Shine in your church, gathered today.

Am I doing this right?

 

[autry_denson]

Let me make the point somewhat differently. .

If a sportscaster was interviewed and said "I think Catholics are genetically inclined toward pedophilia," and was subsequently fired, would you be upset?

If not, then your complaint in this DD case pertains to the details of the comments. If so, then your complaint is about violations of rights. It would help to clarify why people are upset.

 

[IrishLax]

Let me make the point somewhat differently. .

If a sportscaster was interviewed and said "I think Catholics are genetically inclined toward pedophilia," and was subsequently fired, would you be upset?

If not, then your complaint in this DD case pertains to the details of the comments. If so, then your complaint is about violations of rights. It would help to clarify why people are upset.

Bad analogy, that's not 1 to 1. How about substitute "Kim Kardashian" or "Honey Boo Boo" or generic "reality TV star."

 

[Buster Bluth]

Thank you, Buster, for showing us what liberals mean when they say "tolerance of others."

Buster, be our light, shine in our hearts, shine through the darkness. Buster, be our light. Shine in your church, gathered today.

You can worship any god you want, I'm won't get bent out of shape over it.

When a religion prevents others from living their life how they want to live, that's where I have a problem.

Here is a Facebook post I made a few months ago, sorta sums up my thoughts on having "values" or belonging to a particular religion and thinking you should have a voice in others' "sinful" lives:

Here's the thing with marriage equality... You can think homosexuality is the most abhorrent thing on the planet, you really can; and you can be 10000% against Catholic (or Methodist, Islamic, etc) gay marriage, that's all fine too. But the idea that you can withhold the rights of other people because of your opinion/religion is just completely insane and ironically "unamerican." If you're against gay marriage, take it up with your religion, not the state.

And spare people this stupid argument: "Well what about polygamy, should we allow that? What if I want to marry my brother, can that be allowed? We have to have laws for society!" NO ONE can marry their brother, so you're not denying certain people rights. If certain people could marry their brother and certain people couldn't, that would be inequality...and that's the case with gays in this country right now and it's just plain stupid.

 

[alohagoirish]

Robertson grew up in Ozark & Cajun country and if you really believe that he saw a world where black and white were the same then YOU'RE simply kidding yourself.

As far as tolerance goes. I believe that's the cry of the politically correct. And somewhat disparaged by many of those that support Mr Robinsons love of free expression.

There are universal truths, there are human rights and no cultural fetish or religious shield can provide a justified rationale for dehumanizing others.

 

[wizards8507]

Let me make the point somewhat differently. .

If a sportscaster was interviewed and said "I think Catholics are genetically inclined toward pedophilia," and was subsequently fired, would you be upset?

"Catholic" isn't a genetic trait. You CHOOSE to be Catholic. I'm sure you'd agree that being gay isn't a choice, right? Your analogy is bogus.

Let's try a different analogy. If a Muslim TV star said that Christianity is sinful, I'd defend his right to say so just as I defend Phil Robertson.

 

[nlroma1o]

I don't like the fact that AE suspended Phil for his comments, but I 100% believe they have every right to protect their image. Just like Phil has every right to answer that question the way he did. Its an extremely difficult scenario to try and make sense of.

EDIT: I don't know what Phils contract is. That was incorrect of me to make that statement.

 

[woolybug25]

Robertson is clearly just an ignorant person based on his comments on black people and homosexuality. I wouldn't expect him to be too worldy though.

Except for the facts that he has a masters degree and built a $400m company. Guy isn't a dumb dude. Probably has more "worldly experience" than either of us.

You have tried to use his comments out of context twice now. Did you actually read the article or are you going to pitchforks first?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Except for the facts that he has a masters degree and built a $400m company. Guy isn't a dumb dude. Probably has more "worldly experience" than either of us.

You have tried to use his comments out of context twice now. Did you actually read the article or are you going to pitchforks first?

Yet, he didn't know saying this would get him in trouble?

I think he knew what he was doing.

 

[wizards8507]

You can worship any god you want, I'm won't get bent out of shape over it.

When a religion prevents others from living their life how they want to live, that's where I have a problem.

Here is a Facebook post I made a few months ago, sorta sums up my thoughts on having "values" or belonging to a particular religion and thinking you should have a voice in others' "sinful" lives:

Phil thinking homosexuality is a sin is not the same as Phil banning homosexuality. He exerts no power over gay people and their ability to live their lives.

I think we actually agree on the bigger issue. Why not a system where "marriage" has nothing to do with politics or the law whatsoever? No one legally marries anyone, so equal protection under the law. Do whatever you want in your church, synagogue (sp?), mosque, temple, or banquet hall. No special tax rates or anything else. Everyone equal.

EDIT: Not really my point, but your argument about "no one can marry their brother" so no one is discriminated against doesn't really hold up. EVERY SINGLE PERSON has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. A straight man can marry a person of the opposite sex. A gay man can marry a person of the opposite sex. A straight woman can marry a person of the opposite sex. A gay woman can marry a person of the opposite sex.

 

[nsideirish]

This when a lot of right wingers expose themselves as walking hypocrisies.

They routinely espouse the tenants of free market capitalism and how important it is for government to stay clear of the private sector.

Then, they bash A&E for exercising their rights in a free market just because they do not agree with it.

I am 100% against what Robertson said and think it is not only completely ignorant and shows strong signs of stupidity, but it is also offensive to homosexuals. However, I 100% support his right to say it. Just as I 100% support A&E to express themselves by disassociating with him.

 

[nlroma1o]

Even though I believe AE has every right to suspend Phil, it doesn't mean that I don't think they should have known that eventually something like that comment would have gone public... That's just bad PR management of their biggest TV show.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I just checked and this show has been on for a number of years....

Is this the first time he said this?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Except for the facts that he has a masters degree and built a $400m company. Guy isn't a dumb dude. Probably has more "worldly experience" than either of us.

You have tried to use his comments out of context twice now. Did you actually read the article or are you going to pitchforks first?

Dumb people can get master's, and apparently dumb people can make money in bird calls. It's not like he was an investment banker.

His comments would suggest that he is not very smart. He lost his spot on his show because he couldn't control his mouth, and his comment on Jim Crow laws was ignorant as hell.

 

[phgreek]

forget about whether you like him or don't like him, whether you agree with him or don't agree with him. Consider the general sequence:

A reporter interviews a public figure and he makes controversial comments about a segment of the population.

Some agree with or don't mind those comments, some are deeply offended by them.

The employer decides that the public figure's comments make that person an inappropriate representative of the firm, and suspends (or fires?) the individual.

The end. There is nothing controversial about what happened here beyond the specific comments - everyone involved was within their rights and the reporter did his job well. If your argument can't be abstracted and translated into a set of principles or rights that were violated, it probably doesn't have much merit.

The media leads a movement in "soft" persecution by way of seemingly disparate responses to controversial statements. I can only surmise this comes from that nebulous principle "PC". While it is factually true no law was broken, nor right overtly violated...I find it odd for people to ignore the fact that there is a systematic inequity in treatment that this Phil Robertson issue serves to underscore...

And A&E will certainly pay...as people seek to balance things with the only means at their disposal...block 'em.

 

[woolybug25]

Dumb people can get master's, and apparently dumb people can make money in bird calls. It's not like he was an investment banker.

His comments would suggest that he is not very smart. He lost his spot on his show because he couldn't control his mouth, and his comment on Jim Crow laws was ignorant as hell.

Again... his comment was regarding the state of mind of poor black people in his area of the south during Jim Crow. He said they worked the fields together and everyone was happy.

What exactly is rascist about that? Did you read the article? Obviously you have not.

 

[woolybug25]

This when a lot of right wingers expose themselves as walking hypocrisies.

Give me a break. I voted for Obama twice. This isn't a political issue unless you warp it into one.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Complaining about a "PC" culture is just complaining about not being able to be a jerk to people. People get in such an uproar for not being able to say bigoted things.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Why even mention "pre-welfare" and "pre-whatever" then? He's clearly saying that they are less happy now.

 

[wizards8507]

Dumb people can get master's, and apparently dumb people can make money in bird calls. It's not like he was an investment banker.

His comments would suggest that he is not very smart. He lost his spot on his show because he couldn't control his mouth, and his comment on Jim Crow laws was ignorant as hell.

He didn't even MENTION Jim Crow laws. I believe that makes YOU "ignorant as hell."

 

[Woneone]

Dumb people can get master's, and apparently dumb people can make money in bird calls. It's not like he was an investment banker.

His comments would suggest that he is not very smart. He lost his spot on his show because he couldn't control his mouth, and his comment on Jim Crow laws was ignorant as hell.

I haven't found the actual interview questions, but multiple reports seem to say his response was brought on from:

When asked about whether he witnessed bigotry or racism against African-American people growing up in the pre-Civil-Rights South, the ousted reality star opined: "I never, with my eyes, saw the mistreatment of any black person. Not once. Where we lived was all farmers. The blacks worked for the farmers. I hoed cotton with them. I'm with the blacks, because we're white trash. We're going across the field.... They're singing and happy," Robertson surmised.

He continued: "I never heard one of them, one black person, say, 'I tell you what: These doggone white people'—not a word!... Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues."

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So he was asked if he had witnessed any racism, and he responded accordingly.

If you're referring to some other section of the interview, please let us know, but you're taking this so far out of context to the point it's blatantly false.

 

[woolybug25]

Why even mention "pre-welfare" and "pre-whatever" then? He's clearly saying that they are less happy now.

If you are going to have such a strong opinion of something, you might want to actually read the piece before continuing to insinuate. I'm guessing you can find your answer there...

 

[wizards8507]

Why even mention "pre-welfare" and "pre-whatever" then? He's clearly saying that they are less happy now.

The point is that welfare and all that hasn't been the great solution that everyone thought it would be. "Pass this law and that law and everything will be all better." Wrong. There is still racism and resentment and poor people.

 

[Cackalacky]

These might be out of order, but he was asked about what's wrong with our society:

Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine. Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.

Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.

It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.

I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior.

My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together.

However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.

This my biggest problem with anyone. Have your beliefs. Support those you want. Get together with like-minded believers and believe together. But once you start proselytizing...then you are crossing a line regarding other people who don't share your same beliefs. I try my best not to proselytize my beliefs and I don't like it when others do it to me. Leave me the fuck alone and keep your beliefs to your self. If I want to know what you believe I will ask you. And a reporter did, and we got Phils answer.

That being said, much of the success of the show is the end of each episode. I grew up just like that. He has all the right in the world to say what he did and A&E had every right to do what they did.

And I agree eleventy bazillion percent with Buster. Believe what you want, just don't take away my rights while doing it.

 

[wizards8507]

So he was asked if he had witnessed any racism, and he responded accordingly.

If you're referring to some other section of the interview, please let us know, but you're taking this so far out of context to the point it's blatantly false.

Yep. And he was very specific. "I never... with my eyes..."

Not "it never happened."

Not "get those damn blacks out of my school."

"I never.. with my eyes..." He didn't see it! Is he supposed to fake like he did?

 

[Cackalacky]

I just checked and this show has been on for a number of years....

Is this the first time he said this?

To my knowledge yes. He is very open about their faith in the shows as each episode ends with a family meal and grace. Its nice.

 

[notredomer23]

Complaining about a "PC" culture is just complaining about not being able to be a jerk to people. People get in such an uproar for not being able to say bigoted things.

Actually it is about not being able to call things as they are rather than being a jerk. People get in such an uproar for not being able to say the truth and having to sugarcoat things.

 

[tussin]

You can worship any god you want, I'm won't get bent out of shape over it.

When a religion prevents others from living their life how they want to live, that's where I have a problem.

Here is a Facebook post I made a few months ago, sorta sums up my thoughts on having "values" or belonging to a particular religion and thinking you should have a voice in others' "sinful" lives:

While I generally agree with what you are saying, I think our country is largely plagued by relativism where people are discouraged to fight for their beliefs just because other's disagree with them. People can't take a black or white stance and everything has to fall into a gray area where no one is right.

Within Catholicism, there are some things that I consider to be fact (not a belief) and I would fight for those facts to be put into law. Similarly, I encourage everyone to fight for their beliefs regardless of which side they fall on.