'14 IL ILB Nyles Morgan (Notre Dame Signee)

[pkt77242]

So it won't sway a kid in one direction or the other, but if we don't do it we are doomed to be perennial 8-5 team?

Times most certainly have changed. But as you point out, these little tricks are "not going to sway... kid(s)s in one direction or another". That is my point. The kid for whom 477 letter day was the day he decided to commit to Notre Dame is probably incapable of keeping up with the demands of Notre Dame. I can't believe any kid who is seriously considering Notre Dame cares all that much about these letters. A visit from Coach Alford makes a real difference...this is kind of like a Christmas Card. Nice to know they are thinking about me, but...

I take it you didn't read Lax's comments then.

 

[stlnd01]

I like to imagine JuJu Smith and Matt Elam are spending their Christmas breaks (and recruiting dead period) reading each piece of mail that arrived in their golden pot and envisioning Notre Dame as the same challenging, inspiring four-year experience that I had there while also serving as a stepping stone to a lucrative (but healthy) career in the NFL.
But, really, they're probably playing XBox.

 

[Irish To The Core]

WTF! Can you fellas take the time to actually read what I have written? You are jumping all over me for basically saying exactly what you write in reply correcting me. All of this go to another site if you can't change with the times is misdirected and needlessly rude. We agree these mass mailings are not deal makers. (at least I think we do) Some of you are impressed by them nonetheless, I am not so impressed. They seem a little tacky to me, but it isn't a big deal.

But I read some comments that seemed to imply that these mass mailings were important recruiting actions and that is where I dissented. I did not call any particular kid shallow, I said that any (theoretical) recruit who made these the deal maker was shallow.

 

[gkIrish]

So it won't sway a kid in one direction or the other, but if we don't do it we are doomed to be perennial 8-5 team?

Times most certainly have changed. But as you point out, these little tricks are "not going to sway... kid(s)s in one direction or another". That is my point. The kid for whom 477 letter day was the day he decided to commit to Notre Dame is probably incapable of keeping up with the demands of Notre Dame. I can't believe any kid who is seriously considering Notre Dame cares all that much about these letters. A visit from Coach Alford makes a real difference...this is kind of like a Christmas Card. Nice to know they are thinking about me, but...

What?? How can you possibly make that connection?

 

[gkIrish]

WTF! Can you fellas take the time to actually read what I have written? You are jumping all over me for basically saying exactly what you write in reply correcting me. All of this go to another site if you can't change with the times is misdirected and needlessly rude. We agree these mass mailings are not deal makers. (at least I think we do) Some of you are impressed by them nonetheless, I am not so impressed. They seem a little tacky to me, but it isn't a big deal.

But I read some comments that seemed to imply that these mass mailings were important recruiting actions and that is where I dissented. I did not call any particular kid shallow, I said that any (theoretical) recruit who made these the deal maker was shallow.

Not attacking you personally here but I have to say that your position on this topic is undoubtedly one of the oddest things I have ever read on this site.

 

[chubler]

WTF! Can you fellas take the time to actually read what I have written? You are jumping all over me for basically saying exactly what you write in reply correcting me. All of this go to another site if you can't change with the times is misdirected and needlessly rude. We agree these mass mailings are not deal makers. (at least I think we do) Some of you are impressed by them nonetheless, I am not so impressed. They seem a little tacky to me, but it isn't a big deal.

But I read some comments that seemed to imply that these mass mailings were important recruiting actions and that is where I dissented. I did not call any particular kid shallow, I said that any (theoretical) recruit who made these the deal maker was shallow.

Well, by themselves, no. But this type of thing has become necessary to get the kind of players we need. I may not consciously need, want, or care about the mail I get from the schools I'm considering, but if I've got ND and Tennessee sitting on the bubble as I narrow down my list to the 5 schools I'm going to visit (and therefore actually consider), and Tennessee sends me 500 letters while ND sends 1, I'm gonna get the definitive impression that Tennessee wants me more.

Just because it's not the crucial step in the process doesn't make it not necessary. The quality of the pistons in my car engine is indubitably more important than the quality of my fuel line, but if my fuel line's faulty I'm still not going anywhere.

 

[peoriairish]

WTF! Can you fellas take the time to actually read what I have written? You are jumping all over me for basically saying exactly what you write in reply correcting me. All of this go to another site if you can't change with the times is misdirected and needlessly rude. We agree these mass mailings are not deal makers. (at least I think we do) Some of you are impressed by them nonetheless, I am not so impressed. They seem a little tacky to me, but it isn't a big deal.

But I read some comments that seemed to imply that these mass mailings were important recruiting actions and that is where I dissented. I did not call any particular kid shallow, I said that any (theoretical) recruit who made these the deal maker was shallow.

I am reading them and we do agree on the fact that the Pot of Gold will not or should not, on it's own, bring a recruit to ND. But based off of the rest of what you are saying, and essentially saying that any PSA that would even give the POG the time of day shallow and not worthy of ND, Sandlin shouldn't be sending them out. They serve great purpose in the realm of recruiting and when other schools are doing it, but ND isn't, the recruits do notice.

You brought up Booker being in your living room would be better. Of course it would be. But, there is only 1 Booker, and handful of other coaches, and dozens of recruits. An in home is in and out for a couple of hours, whereas a letter, or 477 of them, stays on his dresser for weeks. Not to mention Lax's 3rd point, dead periods in recruiting.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Not attacking you personally here but I have to say that your position on this topic is undoubtedly one of the oddest things I have ever read on this site.

lol That is like the guy who prefaces a racist comment with "I'm not a racist but..." By throwing "but" into your statement it essentially guarantees that you mean it as a personal attack.

How is it odd to take a position that 477 letters on the same day shouldn't have a major impact on any rational prospective Notre Dame student athlete?

How is it odd to say that I suspect that any kid who actually makes a decision based on these letters is pretty suspect in terms of their priorities? Several of you have said the same.

Why is it odd to say that mass mail outs like this are IN MY OPINION a bit tacky?

I admit I used a bit of hyperbole in comparing these letters to SEC bribes. BUT, I stand by my basic premise. These letters are not a significant recruiting tool. By significant I mean a major factor in luring a player. If the kids get a kick out of them and have a laugh, then there is no harm in them. If that is an odd point of view, so be it.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

lol That is like the guy who prefaces a racist comment with "I'm not a racist but..." By throwing "but" into your statement it essentially guarantees that you mean it as a personal attack.

How is it odd to take a position that 477 letters on the same day shouldn't have a major impact on any rational prospective Notre Dame student athlete?

How is it odd to say that I suspect that any kid who actually makes a decision based on these letters is pretty suspect in terms of their priorities? Several of you have said the same.

Why is it odd to say that mass mail outs like this are IN MY OPINION a bit tacky?

I admit I used a bit of hyperbole in comparing these letters to SEC bribes. BUT, I stand by my basic premise. These letters are not a significant recruiting tool. By significant I mean a major factor in luring a player. If the kids get a kick out of them and have a laugh, then there is no harm in them. If that is an odd point of view, so be it.

It's odd because by pointing that out and making your position known in the OP implicitly meant that you think that some of these are having a major impact on some kids and that kids are making decisions on these. You are salty that ND is doing this because you're afraid that kids are making their decision on these mailings and that we are going to land kids not up to your standards because of it. It's odd and comes off very much like something one of the old timer elitists on ND Nation would say

Edit: good lord that was incredibly poorly written by me. I hope it isn't too hard to decipher what I'm saying. Apologies chaps.

 

[NDdomer2]

opinion noted, lets move on

 

[GreenSox04]

opinion noted, lets move on

^

 

[gkIrish]

lol That is like the guy who prefaces a racist comment with "I'm not a racist but..." By throwing "but" into your statement it essentially guarantees that you mean it as a personal attack.

How is it odd to take a position that 477 letters on the same day shouldn't have a major impact on any rational prospective Notre Dame student athlete?

How is it odd to say that I suspect that any kid who actually makes a decision based on these letters is pretty suspect in terms of their priorities? Several of you have said the same.

Why is it odd to say that mass mail outs like this are IN MY OPINION a bit tacky?

I admit I used a bit of hyperbole in comparing these letters to SEC bribes. BUT, I stand by my basic premise. These letters are not a significant recruiting tool. By significant I mean a major factor in luring a player. If the kids get a kick out of them and have a laugh, then there is no harm in them. If that is an odd point of view, so be it.

You're entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to think it's odd. I have yet to see one person agree with your basic, initial premise that the Pot of Gold is a B.S. recruiting strategy. And it's very rare for a poster's opinion to have zero support from other posters. That's why I think it's odd.

 

[Irish8248]

lol That is like the guy who prefaces a racist comment with "I'm not a racist but..." By throwing "but" into your statement it essentially guarantees that you mean it as a personal attack.

How is it odd to take a position that 477 letters on the same day shouldn't have a major impact on any rational prospective Notre Dame student athlete?

How is it odd to say that I suspect that any kid who actually makes a decision based on these letters is pretty suspect in terms of their priorities? Several of you have said the same.

Why is it odd to say that mass mail outs like this are IN MY OPINION a bit tacky?

I admit I used a bit of hyperbole in comparing these letters to SEC bribes. BUT, I stand by my basic premise. These letters are not a significant recruiting tool. By significant I mean a major factor in luring a player. If the kids get a kick out of them and have a laugh, then there is no harm in them. If that is an odd point of view, so be it.

have a drink -- you need something

 

[Irish To The Core]

It's odd because by pointing that out and making your position known in the OP implicitly meant that you think that some of these are having a major impact on some kids and that kids are making decisions on these. You are salty that ND is doing this because you're afraid that kids are making their decision on these mailings and that we are going to land kids not up to your standards because of it. It's odd and comes off very much like something one of the old timer elitists on ND Nation would say

Why don't you respond to what I actually wrote, rather than claiming that I implied these things? Why do you feel it is necessary to use put downs "old timer elitists" on someone who happens to have a slightly different view on a relatively minor issue?

I understand your view, I think. I just think that my kids would look at 477 letters inone day was just snail mail spam. And I used to be a mailman so maybe my memory of bulging Christmas card mail bags with 477 extra ND letters makes my back hurt a little.

 

[anarin]

maybe 477 letters of benjamins?

That'll sure change some minds!

 

[gkIrish]

opinion noted, lets move on

I know these types of discussions seem stupid but I really think it's important to try and convince people like Irish to the Core that their point of view is unreasonable.

 

[gkIrish]

Why don't you respond to what I actually wrote, rather than claiming that I implied these things? Why do you feel it is necessary to use put downs "old timer elitists" on someone who happens to have a slightly different view on a relatively minor issue?

I understand your view, I think. I just think that my kids would look at 477 letters inone day was just snail mail spam. And I used to be a mailman so maybe my memory of bulging Christmas card mail bags with 477 extra ND letters makes my back hurt a little.

I obviously don't know your kids but I'd bet they would be wildly excited if they received a letter for each player that has been drafted from ND.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Why don't you respond to what I actually wrote, rather than claiming that I implied these things? Why do you feel it is necessary to use put downs "old timer elitists" on someone who happens to have a slightly different view on a relatively minor issue?

I understand your view, I think. I just think that my kids would look at 477 letters inone day was just snail mail spam. And I used to be a mailman so maybe my memory of bulging Christmas card mail bags with 477 extra ND letters makes my back hurt a little.

Here is what you wrote:

How shallow is a kid who is swayed by S.E.C. type b.s. like this? (mass mailings) Personally I think that if the recruit is into that sort of thing rather than the quality of the education...we don't stand a chance against the S.E.C. After-all the mass mailings from Auburn, Ole Miss. etc. come with the keys to a new car, etc.

My response is quite fair in light of that.

Old timer elitist was not meant to be an insult, in fact the folks over at ND Nation are probably very content with being characterized as such.

This clearly isn't going anywhere so for the sake my sanity and because I picture NDdomer2 speaking the voice of Coach Holtz, I will not respond any more. The floor is yours if you would like it

 

[Irish To The Core]

Who are you to say theyre not significant? Are you being recruited by ND? It might be significant to one recruit but not the 10 others. Hell, we know its significant to two recruits already -- Kolin praised it while Dalton did a whole damn video on -- so at least two recruits find it significant in some sense. If thats the case, it already paid for its weight in relevance

have a drink -- you need something

Just a Notre Dame fan who disagrees with you on this issue. Or has IE become a place where dissenting views are met with challenges to post on some other site, or similar insults?

It's nice that those kids got a kick out of the letters, but I don't believe it made any impact on their decision. I strongly suspect that they were sold on ND and therefore these letters were very exciting to them. That is fine...they aren't that expensive and if they are done tastefully they shouldn't turn anybody off. So they are harmless in my opinion.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I know these types of discussions seem stupid but I really think it's important to try and convince people like Irish to the Core that their point of view is unreasonable.

You can insult all you want. This is not a black and white issue. If you think calling someone "unreasonable" is going to convince anyone of anything you are quite incorrect. What is unreasonable is the refusal to recognize that a rational person can have different opinions from yourself.

 

[Irish2155]

I think you're missing the point in more ways than has been previously posted.

The real "Pot of Gold", to combat the condo and/or car keys that are temporary, is the ND degree. See the play on words? In addition to that, playing in the NFL is VERY realistic...thus the number 477.

Twist, turn, spin or flip it anyway you'd like...I just don't see an issue. It's creative; nobody to my knowledge is showing this kind of "love" to recruits. And as you've pointed out we need something to compete with what the SEC has to "offer".

 

[Redbar]

Picked up his fifth star from scout.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I think you're missing the point in more ways than has been previously posted.

The real "Pot of Gold", to combat that condo and/or car keys that are temporary, is the ND degree. See the play on words? In addition to that, playing in the NFL is VERY realistic...thus the number 477.

Twist, turn, spin or flip it anyway you'd like...I just don't see an issue. It's creative; nobody to my knowledge is showing this kind of "love" to recruits. And as you've pointed out we need something to compete with what the SEC has to "offer".

Where I disagree with you is that I don't think it is all that creative. Other schools like Kentucky are doing the same kind of thing. Don't get me wrong, I would do handstands if I received that kind of love from Notre Dame, but an offer on it's own would blow me away far more than any cutesy trick like this. But I agree that the ND degree has to be a major factor, otherwise why would the kid go to a school where he will have to work his butt off to pass? There are plenty of football factories where a player can focus on football alone.

 

[Irish2155]

Picked up his fifth star from scout.

Really good player, hope he's Irish. We need a stud in the middle.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Picked up his fifth star from scout.

I think it is well deserved. He looks like the real deal.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Really good player, hope he's Irish. We need a stud in the middle.

Exactly, we have some great OLB prospects but for some reason the top end MLBs have shied away from ND. Morgan really reads the field well and he has quick feet. This class is shaping up to be very solid all around.

 

[Irish2155]

Where I disagree with you is that I don't think it is all that creative. Other schools like Kentucky are doing the same kind of thing. Don't get me wrong, I would do handstands if I received that kind of love from Notre Dame, but an offer on it's own would blow me away far more than any cutesy trick like this. But I agree that the ND degree has to be a major factor, otherwise why would the kid go to a school where he will have to work his butt off to pass? There are plenty of football factories where a player can focus on football alone.

Difference is 477 vs. Tim Couch. It really works in our favor, especially NOW after falling off under previous head coaches.

 

[JughedJones]

If we get him... this class is complete.

 

[deise mike]

If we get him... this class is complete.

What dates are the AA games?

 

[dublinirish]

What dates are the AA games?

The UA AA game is on thursday January 2nd
US Army AA game is saturday January 4th