Chuck Martin accepts Miami OH job

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Running backs coach Tony Alford and wide receivers coach Mike Denbrock are two strong internal candidates and also Kelly’s top two recruiters. Alford also serves as ND’s recruiting coordinator and has coached receivers and running backs during this four seasons with Kelly.
Denbrock has coached tight ends and wide receivers at ND and currently serves as the passing game coordinator in addition to his position-coach duties. He’s also coached offensive line during his career and served stints as both offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator in the 1990s under Kelly when Kelly was head coach at Grand Valley State.
Martin is a 1990 graduate of Milliken University, where he was an All-America safety. He initially served as Kelly’s recruiting coordinator at ND in 2010-2011.
What affect might Martin’s departure have on ND’s recruiting as it moves into its final stages before National Signing Day on Feb. 5?
“I don’t think it will have any affect, really,” said Steve Wiltfong, national recruiting writer for 247Sports. “Chuck’s one of the better living-room guys in the country. He can relate to and recruit guys from all kinds of backgrounds.
“But when you talk to the kids who have committed to Notre Dame in this class, most of them have committed to play at a prestigious program and attend a prestigious university. Most of those kids look at it as a 40-year decision.
“There are guys who do commit to a certain coach. I don’t think ND would have gotten either Tarean Folston or Greg Bryant last year if Tony Alford had left before signing day. But I don’t think the guys in this class necessarily committed to coach Martin.
“Don’t get me wrong, anything can happen in recruiting. But the offense isn’t going to change. Brian Kelly is going to be running the same thing.”
 

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“Don’t get me wrong, anything can happen in recruiting. But the offense isn’t going to change. Brian Kelly is going to be running the same thing.

Wiltfong has spoken.
 

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Thanks for your service, Chuck, and good luck at Miami Ohio. Looking forward to following the process of filling the open position on the staff.
 

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If BK is just going to keep doing what he's always done, I don't see why he can't hire within and bring in a top notch recruiter.

If we do promote internally, Ernest Jones probably gets a coaching position, and he's alleged to be a very good recruiter (anyone have a source for this?)

You could definitely make a case for bringing in a top QB coach, though. We've already got two "top recruiters" from that list.
 
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I am glad Chuck gets to move back into the HC ranks; I think he was under appreciated by ND fans. The defensive backfield and the offense never got a break while he was here. He had to be resourceful as hell to even get the team on the field to compete at times.

Here is my guess.

I think someone is floating the tidbit that the whole "play calling responsibilities" of this year were for the sole purpose of enhancing his resume.

I don't have a clue if this is true, but Kelly does plan things well. Last time losing Warnier, Hinton, and Molnar, and replacing them with Hiestand, Elliott, and Booker, was a stroke of genius. Or a man who had a plan, and time to execute it. By the way, Booker has excelled with the TE's this year.

I think this is already decided, a done deal. With the incredible influx of QB talent, I like the idea of a QB guru, or a dedicated QB coach.
 

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If we do promote internally, Ernest Jones probably gets a coaching position, and he's alleged to be a very good recruiter (anyone have a source for this?)

You could definitely make a case for bringing in a top QB coach, though. We've already got two "top recruiters" from that list.

Who fits that mold on the market right now? Or is there someone we could poach from another program that you, or others, would want? Curious as I'm not very well versed in terms of top QB coaches.
 

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If we do promote internally, Ernest Jones probably gets a coaching position, and he's alleged to be a very good recruiter (anyone have a source for this?)

You could definitely make a case for bringing in a top QB coach, though. We've already got two "top recruiters" from that list.

Even if he’s unable to work on the field, Jones brings a wealth of knowledge to the coaching staff and potentially a trump card in recruiting. As Quinn’s associate head coach, Jones headed up the Bulls’ recruiting efforts, putting together an unprecedented class as the Bulls signed 19 commitments under Jones’ guidance, having a recruiting staff all but set in December, when in years past the Bulls scrambled until well after Signing Day.
 

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can they get Olin Kreutz on staff by any chance? That would be badass
 

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That's a heck of a thought...

He's nasty. But man can he coach offense. Had an incredibly successful offensive run at Kansas with less talent.

Where is he now??? I don't think he's doing anything right? It's crazy he hasn't gotten another job yet.... the guy won an Orange Bowl and competed for a national title at KANSAS.
 

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It's crazy he hasn't gotten another job yet.... the guy won an Orange Bowl and competed for a national title at KANSAS.

Personality issues. Even got kicked out of a HS football game in Lawrence when his son was playing. Saw an article recently that he's found a peaceful place in life, but who knows...
 

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He always seems like such a jolly ripe elf...
 

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Mark Mangino

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I've criticized play calling and game plans on occasion, but the fact is, the one year Kelly had a QB of his "type," he was undefeated and played in the national title game.

This is true but QB had little to do with last season... ND ran the ball more effectively and played great D... take a look at Golson v Rees numbers wise... the only real difference was Golson's ability to extend plays...

run and play defense...
 

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Pertino
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Kiffen...

who would you take and way?? in 100 words or less...
 

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It's not as simple as comparing numbers, though. You have to take into consideration when those numbers came into play.

Tommy had a knack for throwing his picks at the worst possible times, like in the Pitt and Stanford games.

You can have a quarterback who throws twelve interceptions a year, but if every one of those comes from throwing up a hail marry at the end of the first half, it is much more impressive season than a guy throwing ten interceptions that flat out cost you the game.
 

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This is true but QB had little to do with last season... ND ran the ball more effectively and played great D... take a look at Golson v Rees numbers wise... the only real difference was Golson's ability to extend plays...

run and play defense...

On paper maybe I can force myself to see your point....

Our running game will explode 10 fold when our entire offense isn't stuffed inside a 20 yd box.

Sorry acamp...I love your posts and I really gotta throw in the towel and just be done with Rees ... :)
 

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On paper maybe I can force myself to see your point....

Our running game will explode 10 fold when our entire offense isn't stuffed inside a 20 yd box.

Sorry acamp...I love your posts and I really gotta throw in the towel and just be done with Rees ... :)

No you are prob. right,... Golson being back there may open up the running game... anyway... my point was to take issue with the idea that the main key to last season was QB play... it clearly wasn't
 
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It's not as simple as comparing numbers, though. You have to take into consideration when those numbers came into play.

Tommy had a knack for throwing his picks at the worst possible times, like in the Pitt and Stanford games.

You can have a quarterback who throws twelve interceptions a year, but if every one of those comes from throwing up a hail marry at the end of the first half, it is much more impressive season than a guy throwing ten interceptions that flat out cost you the game.

I seem to remember Golson throwing some really bad, poorly timed, red zone picks as well.
 

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I seem to remember Golson throwing some really bad, poorly timed, red zone picks as well.

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When? There was one against Pitt... can't remember any others. Golson was pretty lights out from Oklahoma onward. Had a QBR that would be top 10 this year.
 

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When? There was one against Pitt... can't remember any others. Golson was pretty lights out from Oklahoma onward. Had a QBR that would be top 10 this year.

I think against Navy he had one in the 1st quarter. They might have been just outside the 20, but it was intercepted around the goaline I believe.
 

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When? There was one against Pitt... can't remember any others. Golson was pretty lights out from Oklahoma onward. Had a QBR that would be top 10 this year.

Yeah, he sure was. A couple freshman mistakes but not constantly or all that costly.
 

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When? There was one against Pitt... can't remember any others. Golson was pretty lights out from Oklahoma onward. Had a QBR that would be top 10 this year.

Didn't he have two against Michigan?? I rememebr one against Navy also...
 

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just thought this was cool, kinda off topic

just thought this was cool, kinda off topic

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Always good to walk into high schools in the state of Florida and see Notre Dame on the walls!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23GoIrish&src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="http://t.co/NE3e5bzcef">pic.twitter.com/NE3e5bzcef</a></p>— Coach Tony Alford (@CoachTonyAlford) <a href="https://twitter.com/CoachTonyAlford/statuses/407977032274825217">December 3, 2013</a></blockquote>
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I think it's just the opposite. Kelly dictates offensive philosophy (and maybe even a lot of the play-calling). Martin was just managing his system for him. So Martin's departure probably doesn't mean much for our offense.



Change is only coming if Kelly feels like there's a flaw in his system. That might be the case, but I doubt it. More likely he's excited to finally take the training wheels off with Golson next season.

I think Kelly still held the purse strings pretty tight when it came to calling the plays. Chuck did more of the weekly prep stuff on what will work against the current opponent.
 
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