'14 IN OLB/S Drue Tranquill (Notre Dame Man)

[IrishLax]

Literally last week...

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Meanwhile... Niles Morgan was sitting 15 minutes closer to South Bend with no coaches visiting him.

Dude... you act like he's not visiting Nyles Morgan?

Head coach Brian Kelly even showed off his ride, a helicopter, on his Twitter account. Senior linebacker target Nyles Morgan of Crete, Ill., reported a visit from Kelly and offensive coordinator Chuck Martin on Thursday.

He's been putting in an awful lot of work to try to change the mind of Nyles.

 

[PANDFAN]

That involves some uncharitable assumptions about the staff's competence. When it comes to recruiting, I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

247 has rated 17 ILBs as 4 or higher. One of them, Martini, is already committed to us. Only 4 of them remain uncommitted, and we're recruiting Morgan hard despite the Core6 douche baggery. So how can we argue that it's a strategic mistake to go after Tranquill as a project ILB? Dan Fox turned out pretty well, and there aren't any obviously better options out there.

he has been serviceable...although great clutch int...i kinda just wanted to use that pic well cuz it's you

 

[woolybug25]

That involves some uncharitable assumptions about the staff's competence. When it comes to recruiting, I think they've earned the benefit of the doubt.

247 has rated 17 ILBs as 4 or higher. One of them, Martini, is already committed to us. Only 4 of them remain uncommitted, and we're recruiting Morgan hard despite the Core6 douche baggery. So how can we argue that it's a strategic mistake to go after Tranquill as a project ILB? Dan Fox turned out pretty well, and there aren't any obviously better options out there.

I believe that if the staff wouldn't have targeted him, there wouldn't be anyone on here saying "man... I wish Kelly would look at that safety recruit committed to Purdue, he would make a great ILB". That is one of my points, I trust this staff's judgement that they could turn an athletic kid into a "project". But there are a bunch of other athletic project kids all over the country that they could do the same thing with. If we are going to reach for a 3star safety to fill an ILB slot, then we should turn over every stone.

And again... last week was a great example of my issue. Morgan's parents want him to visit and consider us. Instead of putting a full court press on him (I doubt it would really effect Drue's decision either way) our head-freakin-coach is spending the day with Tranquill. It makes literally no sense. Even outside of linebacker recruits. There are plenty of recruits that Kelly could have been visiting that day and he chose this kid. If he doesn't flip, then it was a huge waste of resources.

 

[arrowryan]

I agree with Wooly in that he needs to "$hit or get off the pot". With that being said, I think he commits this weekend

 

[IrishLax]

I believe that if the staff wouldn't have targeted him, there wouldn't be anyone on here saying "man... I wish Kelly would look at that safety recruit committed to Purdue, he would make a great ILB".

Well...

If he ran a legit 4.5 sign him the heck up. My only hesitation is that we have like 12098640732602 quality safeties. If he's a legit 6'2" 210 right now I could actually see him as a 6'2" 240 ILB at some point.

That's a month+ before an offer when his recruitment was just getting started.

 

[PANDFAN]

Well...



That's a month+ before an offer when his recruitment was just getting started.

so what your saying is...that you knew several months ago?

 

[woolybug25]

Dude... you act like he's not visiting Nyles Morgan?



He's been putting in an awful lot of work to try to change the mind of Nyles.

You're missing my point. It's not just Niles, he could have spent that valuable time with a kid that has any of these:

- willing to commit if offered
- higher ceiling
- better player
- kid on the fence to visit
- kids that he still wants to work out to see if they could be a project (after all, that's what Drue is)

But again... it's timing. Nile's parents are seemingly on our side, so it would be a good idea to be in front of him, right? Also, wasn't that helicopter thing over a year ago? I don't believe that we have even visited him in person in a while and we are certainly not visiting him as much as we are with Drue.

 

[woolybug25]

Well...



That's a month+ before an offer when his recruitment was just getting started.

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. The thread had been made, the coaches had visited and it was pretty apparent that we were looking at him for an offer.

My point was that there are a bunch of "Tranquills" littered around the country that aren't even on the staffs radar (justifiably so).

 

[Luckylucci]

I believe that if the staff wouldn't have targeted him, there wouldn't be anyone on here saying "man... I wish Kelly would look at that safety recruit committed to Purdue, he would make a great ILB". That is one of my points, I trust this staff's judgement that they could turn an athletic kid into a "project". But there are a bunch of other athletic project kids all over the country that they could do the same thing with. If we are going to reach for a 3star safety to fill an ILB slot, then we should turn over every stone.

And again... last week was a great example of my issue. Morgan's parents want him to visit and consider us. Instead of putting a full court press on him (I doubt it would really effect Drue's decision either way) our head-freakin-coach is spending the day with Tranquill. It makes literally no sense. Even outside of linebacker recruits. There are plenty of recruits that Kelly could have been visiting that day and he chose this kid. If he doesn't flip, then it was a huge waste of resources.

-The kid has several very impressive camps and many respected people took notice including Wiltfong, Hemboldt, and our staff.

-Only so many of those projects would be good fits for ND. Something to keep in mind is that we have to find the right fits. It sounds annoying but its true. Like it or not we are not an SEC school and we need to find kids that'll deal with the academic rigors and perform well on Saturdays.

-Read Morgans thread. We put the full court press on Nyles last week. It impressed the heck out of his family. The only reason we have any shot is due to our determination not his undying love for ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

You're missing my point. It's not just Niles, he could have spent that valuable time with a kid that has any of these:

- willing to commit if offered
- higher ceiling
- better player
- kid on the fence to visit
- kids that he still wants to work out to see if they could be a project (after all, that's what Drue is)

But again... it's timing. Nile's parents are seemingly on our side, so it would be a good idea to be in front of him, right? Also, wasn't that helicopter thing over a year ago? I don't believe that we have even visited him in person in a while and we are certainly not visiting him as much as we are with Drue.

Irish Sports Report: ND staff hits the pavement on off week
Head coach Brian Kelly even showed off his ride, a helicopter, on his Twitter account. Senior linebacker target Nyles Morgan of Crete, Ill., reported a visit from Kelly and offensive coordinator Chuck Martin on Thursday. 10/10
Irish Sports Report: ND staff hits the pavement on off week

 

[STLDomer]

You're missing my point. It's not just Niles, he could have spent that valuable time with a kid that has any of these:

- willing to commit if offered
- higher ceiling
- better player
- kid on the fence to visit
- kids that he still wants to work out to see if they could be a project (after all, that's what Drue is)

But again... it's timing. Nile's parents are seemingly on our side, so it would be a good idea to be in front of him, right? Also, wasn't that helicopter thing over a year ago? I don't believe that we have even visited him in person in a while and we are certainly not visiting him as much as we are with Drue.

No we definitely visited Nyles last week and according to who are we visiting Tranquill a lot more than Morgan?

Also a couple months ago Morgan wasn't even sure if he was ever going to visit ND again and then he finally decided he'd take an unofficial and now he is taking an official. The staff has put in work.

 

[woolybug25]

No we definitely visited Nyles last week and according to who are we visiting Tranquill a lot more than Morgan?

Dude... am I suppose to respond to that? That's not even legible.




AGAIN!!! for crying out loud.... regardless if we just saw him or not... we have put more time into Tranquill than most of the players on our board and the kid is committed to Purdue. We have limited spots and time, so I would prefer them use both differently IF he isn't ready to commit.

 

[Luckylucci]

Dude... am I suppose to respond to that? That's not even legible.




AGAIN!!! for crying out loud.... regardless if we just saw him or not... we have put more time into Tranquill than most of the players on our board and the kid is committed to Purdue. We have limited spots and time, so I would prefer them use both differently IF he isn't ready to commit.

Sorry Wooly but that is flat out wrong. You need to go back and read over all the recruiting notes or get a subscription to ISD, BGI, or II. Not even close.

 

[woolybug25]

Sorry Wooly but that is flat out wrong. You need to go back and read over all the recruiting notes or get a subscription to ISD, BGI, or II. Not even close.

Really? How many times have they visited Greer Martini? How many times have they visited Trumbetti? Less than Drue, that's for sure.

 

[STLDomer]

Dude... am I suppose to respond to that? That's not even legible.




AGAIN!!! for crying out loud.... regardless if we just saw him or not... we have put more time into Tranquill than most of the players on our board and the kid is committed to Purdue. We have limited spots and time, so I would prefer them use both differently IF he isn't ready to commit.

My response read fine to me.

According to who or what are we putting more time in on Tranquill than other guys like Morgan? That one tweet by TP?

 

[Luckylucci]

Really? How many times have they visited Greer Martini? How many times have they visited Trumbetti? Less than Drue, that's for sure.

So your mad because they're not visiting our current commits more?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Really? How many times have they visited Greer Martini? How many times have they visited Trumbetti? Less than Drue, that's for sure.

I agree, but it certainly implies that the coaches really like him. Also Drue is closer and the other kids might make is clear that the coaches don't have to waste their time visiting me, I know I would.

 

[arrowryan]

Really? How many times have they visited Greer Martini? How many times have they visited Trumbetti? Less than Drue, that's for sure.

What is a visit to Martini or Trumbetti going to do though? Not much. That doesn't mean the coaches don't call him once a week.

 

[woolybug25]

My response read fine to me.

Then english probably wasn't your strong suit in school.





I'm out. I knew that if I brought this up that it would turn into this dumpster fire. Forget it. MOAR TRANQUILL!!!

 

[koonja]

**** USC.

 

[IrishLax]

Don't pat yourself on the back too hard. The thread had been made, the coaches had visited and it was pretty apparent that we were looking at him for an offer.

Coaches hadn't visited or shown any serious interest except inviting him to come work out at camp. I based that opinion squarely of measureables, film, and info presented on Drue's background/character. We gave him the same spiel about getting an offer down the road that we give to virtually every prospect that camps. Seriously, go read the comments from every camper over the past two years... they all say that the staff likes them, and will continue to evaluate them for an offer down the road.

If anything, with the coaches not extending an offer at camp, I went counter their judgement. I also brought up ILB specifically before it was mentioned anywhere else in thread or by Drue or by the coaches. In fact, in Drue's quotes from camp he specifically mentions OLB and S without ever mentioning ILB.

I then for 6+ weeks bemoaned the lack of an offer in threads on this board and said we'd regret not landing him. I said the coaches were making a mistake. Finally, the coaches extended an offer and talked to him about playing ILB.

The whole point is you said we're all just lemmings trusting the coaches and that no one would be excited and saying "he'd make a great ILB!" if the coaches didn't project that. I'm showing you irrefutable evidence that I said "he'd be a great ILB!" before the staff ever floated the idea of playing ILB to him, and that I wanted him to be offered well before the staff did. Shrug.

My point was that there are a bunch of "Tranquills" littered around the country that aren't even on the staffs radar (justifiably so).

There aren't a lot of kids with Tranquills combination of intelligence, character, build, and athleticism. Just looking at athletics alone... yeah, you could probably find a bunch. But not many we'd have an easy inside track for in our back yard, or that have his reported intangibles.

 

[arrowryan]

Good Lord STL's avitar and my avitar are way too similar

 

[STLDomer]

Then english probably wasn't your strong suit in school.





I'm out. I knew that if I brought this up that it would turn into this dumpster fire. Forget it. MOAR TRANQUILL!!!

Okay keep ignoring the question and attacking my grammar instead

 

[Luckylucci]

Then english probably wasn't your strong suit in school.





I'm out. I knew that if I brought this up that it would turn into this dumpster fire. Forget it. MOAR TRANQUILL!!!

I don't think its necessarily a dumpster fire but usually wooly you make comments based in fact and the fact is we're not spending an insane amount of time on Tranquill at the risk of the entire class. I read a lot of recruiting articles on a daily basis (pathetic, I know) and we are all over the guys that we all want. There is an opportunity to close Tranquill now and we are trying to do that.

 

[ACamp1900]

So, fellas, where the party at???

 

[NDBoiler]

Dude... am I suppose to respond to that? That's not even legible.




AGAIN!!! for crying out loud.... regardless if we just saw him or not... we have put more time into Tranquill than most of the players on our board and the kid is committed to Purdue. We have limited spots and time, so I would prefer them use both differently IF he isn't ready to commit.

Duderino - Are you sure you are not confusing the time IE spends on Tranquill as opposed to the staff's time? I personally think it is amazing how many posts this thread generates for a consensus 3 star recruit compared to a lot of other more highly rated recruits. Not saying anything against Tranquill or his potential, but it just looks a little misaligned from that perspective. Maybe that type of attention is tinting your perception of the staff's attention on Tranquill v other recruits?

 

[Irish2155]

**** USC.

I second this, **** USC.

 

[GBdomer]

Damnit MOAR DRAMA PEOPLE. but I agree with Wooly and see what he's saying. I also see what you guys are saying. My question like wooly why spend the day? Staff didn't offer Dru at camp but then offer him and now going all in on him? I respect his commitment and I'm sure he respects the hell out of Purdue. But they can't stand up with what we offer. I think he will be wowed Saturday night like Lazard will. Maybe they will want to play with the big boys or be studs for average football programs. I think spending the day with Dru shows how god damn desperate we are at ILB.

 

[Irish2155]

Damnit MOAR DRAMA PEOPLE. but I agree with Wooly and see what he's saying. I also see what you guys are saying. My question like wooly why spend the day? Staff didn't offer Dru at camp but then offer him and now going all in on him? I respect his commitment and I'm sure he respects the hell out of Purdue. But they can't stand up with what we offer. I think he will be wowed Saturday night like Lazard will. Maybe they will want to play with the big boys or be studs for average football programs. I think spending the day with Dru shows how god damn desperate we are at ILB.

Think you answered your own question. Why spend the day with him? Cause you big leagued him on campus now realize he's the best available.

 

[fightingirish26]

Drue is a potential fit at ilb, a position of great need. He has interest in nd, which a lot of ilb prospects don't. He is a great student, and lives in Indiana. I don't know how much more there is to it