We are slow, Longo must go?

[chicago51]

Not that it matters, but the current system better suits our interests. There are three tiers of post-season success: NCG > BCS bowl > other bowl. All we have to do to reach that middle tier is finish in the top 14; I feel like Kelly could achieve that (10-2 or better) in most years.

Now that middle tier of success is disappearing, and in exchange, all we get is a slightly better chance at making a NCG appearance. But its still a very tall order; realistically speaking, we'll have to outplay 2 of the 3 conference champions from the Big-12, B1G and ACC to get in most years.

I agree with this. The Orange Bowl tie in is nice. But if I recall there is a limit on how much Notre Dame can use that? (twice in 10 years or something?) So the middle (BCS level) tear is disappearing at least for ND. With the conference tie in it is really hard to qualify for a select bowl.

 

[NDdomer2]

Watching rams niners and they had a little segment on ol Joe Staley from C. Mich. now a niner. They said he is 65 lbs heavier now then from college largely thanks to none other than coach longo.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Watching rams niners and they had a little segment on ol Joe Staley from C. Mich. now a niner. They said he is 65 lbs heavier now then from college largely thanks to none other than coach longo.

I guess if he spent time with players from our team as opposed to others we wouldn't have athleticism issues.

*I don't have sarcasm font on my phone

 

[IlovethehireofCoachKelly]

where's mbeckha when you need him?

haha, I remember him, he was the only one who ever spoke logical of the strength and conditioning and exercise science on here. I remember he was opening a health club in Toledo, Ohio called LifeFit.

 

[tko]

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[NDdomer2]

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[PANDFAN]

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it was mbeckha's gym motto that he opened up

 

[tko]

i found LifeFit and his website and copied that from the About Us tab. He needs to be reinstated to IE!!!!!!

 

[NDdomer2]

thanks fellas i thought tko was lost for a second there. turns out i was!

 

[tko]

thanks fellas i thought tko was lost for a second there. turns out i was!

Mbeckha has to be a legend in Toledo!

 

[NDinFL]

What the hell is going on in here?!

 

[tko]

What the hell is going on in here?!

The topic of Mbeckha and his valuable insight into strength and conditioning came up, and then I found him at his gym in Toledo, OH.

 

[Old Man Mike]

.... entire thread was whack.... fortunately the typical dry IE wit partially redeemed it.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I vaguely remember him, I think he was mostly before my time. But success such as his after input on this site may pave a way for someone like GB to open a psychic business. He always knew **** a month ahead of time.

 

[aubeirish]

Ok, I'm tired of debating negative stuff. Instead I'll like to put some constructive ideas here.
I was thinking on how Oregon get to have this fast pace and how they are able to get the defense off balance all the time. There is only one answer that came to mind here. == unconscious competence.

I was thinking that instead of running flat sprints or related cardio exercises, we could devise a system where we can have the guys run fast football drives. The goal would be to obviously get great cardio while practicing the playbook at an insane fast pace. The same would be equally good for the defense. Something that Longo or even the players amongst themselves could run.

You guys can immediately deduce the benefits of running something like that every day. You run it in a way that wouldn't look like a practice. (NCAA vialation stuff.). Get your QBs to run a few different plays a day, or guys with flash cards. Situational fitness.

Man I wish I could go back in time. I could have gone pro.

Anyways, I thought I would bump this thread lol.

 

[Bluto]

We could have the players throw wrenches at each other. "If you can dodge a wrench...". Nevermind, wrong sport.

 

[aubeirish]

We could have the players throw wrenches at each other. "If you can dodge a wrench...". Nevermind, wrong sport.

That sounds fun, but I'm afraid football has become a little too much on the sissy side with all these restrictions about hitting.

 

[koonja]

Why consider changing anything? Apparently Longo is a top of the line S/C coach and we're a fast, athletic team.

Thinking otherwise is blasphemous.

 

[aubeirish]

Why consider changing anything? Apparently Longo is a top of the line S/C coach and we're a fast, athletic team.

Thinking otherwise is blasphemous.

I'm just pitching some stuff out there. I don't necessarily think that the guys are that slow. I do think that they are faster since Longo took over, but they seems hesitant and a little confused at time. I remember that for me as an athlete I would only make mistakes when I was either tired or unmotivated. I only reached great cardio for a short period of time in my life, and let me tell you that the game gets very slow when you're not tired. It's pretty simple really. Only imagine a team with superb cardio that can run fast pace offense or defense without even being physically and mentally tired. That is Oregon my friends. That is why they have so much success. There is not much more going on there.

 

[koonja]

I'm just pitching some stuff out there. I don't necessarily think that the guys are that slow. I do think that they are faster since Longo took over, but they seems hesitant and a little confused at time. I remember that for me as an athlete I would only make mistakes when I was either tired or unmotivated. I only reached great cardio for a short period of time in my life, and let me tell you that the game gets very slow when you're not tired. It's pretty simple really. Only imagine a team with superb cardio that can run fast pace offense or defense without even being physically and mentally tired. That is Oregon my friends. That is why they have so much success. There is not much more going on there.

I think our team is slow relative to the level of talent we bring in, so I disagree with you there. But I'd be all for copying Oregon or even Baylor's practice habits. I'm surprised more teams don't, I'm sure there's a good reason for it though.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Why consider changing anything? Apparently Longo is a top of the line S/C coach and we're a fast, athletic team.

Thinking otherwise is blasphemous.

I think our team is slow for the level of talent we bring in, so I disagree with you there. But I'd be all for copying Oregon or even Baylor's practice habits. I'm surprised more teams don't, I'm sure there's a good reason for it though.

Poor angles and hesitancy negate speed on defense.

Missed assignments, sloppy routes, predictable plays and inaccurate passing negate speed on offense.

Longo IS a top of the line S/C coach and we ARE a fast, athletic team. Thinking otherwise isn't blasphemous, it's just plain wrong.

 

[koonja]

Poor angles and hesitancy negate speed on defense.

Missed assignments, sloppy routes, predictable plays and inaccurate passing negate speed on offense.

Longo IS a top of the line S/C coach and we ARE a fast, athletic team. Thinking otherwise isn't blasphemous, it's just plain wrong.

Bad angles and slow to react is an excuse IMO. Our coaches and players aren't that stupid or slow to learn.

I respect your opinion.

 

[aubeirish]

I think our team is slow for the level of talent we bring in, so I disagree with you there. But I'd be all for copying Oregon or even Baylor's practice habits. I'm surprised more teams don't, I'm sure there's a good reason for it though.

I feel like it would be almost impossible to duplicate what they do during the season and even during camp. The problem(which is not really a problem in itself, because I think it's something we should be really proud of) is that guys go to school year long and have more rigorous schedules away from football then these other schools. Therefore, they can't spend all day in the film room. I think you would have to compensate during the off season where you incorporate extra rigorous cardio while running the system. We have the great advantage of having very intelligent dudes on the team. Imagine a team where you can utilize intellect and fantastic cardio to your advantage. Hard to stop if you ask me.

 

[Luckylucci]

Bad angles and slow to react is an excuse IMO. Our coaches and players aren't that stupid or slow to learn.

I respect your opinion.

Actuall yes, yes they are. If you watch the Sterling Shephard TD that was poor positioning by Grace that led to the track meet. If Grace is in the right position, Shepherd doesn't score. Mayock called it, I rewound my DVR and saw it for myself.

 

[koonja]

Actuall yes, yes they are. If you watch the Sterling Shephard TD that was poor positioning by Grace that led to the track meet. If Grace is in the right position, Shepherd doesn't score. Mayock called it, I rewound my DVR and saw it for myself.

They may take poor angles, which is a major issue IMO because Irish fans have been using that excuse for years now, but we're also not a fast team.

If you think we're fast, athletic team relative to how well we recruit, let's just save each other's time and not argue because I think that's dead wrong.

I also like the argument a few years back that 'SEC teams don't have elite speed, they just have elite DL and that makes the whole defense look fast'.

Well, we have an elite DL. How does our defense look?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Bad angles and slow to react is an excuse IMO. Our coaches and players aren't that stupid or slow to learn.

I respect your opinion.

I see why you're frustrated and want to lay blame but calling bad angles and delayed reaction time excuses is irrational.

You're blaming S/C when the onus is clearly on Kelly, Martin and Diaco. What exactly they are doing or not doing is unknown to us outsiders but they certainly take the blame.

I understand your frustration though. We are supposed to have the "smarter" football players but they look unsure and hesitant at times. Yet, Saban can roll out freshman and RS freshman year after year and continue high level play. But that's a whole new thread on the benefits of JUCO.. Etc.

I get it. But there are a number of reasons for NDs underwhelming play and I don't think Longo is one of them.

 

[koonja]

I see why you're frustrated and want to lay blame but calling bad angles and delayed reaction time excuses is irrational.

You're blaming S/C when the onus is clearly on Kelly, Martin and Diaco. What exactly they are doing or not doing is unknown to us outsiders but they certainly take the blame.

I understand your frustration though. We are supposed to have the "smarter" football players but they look unsure and hesitant at times. Yet, Saban can roll out freshman and RS freshman year after year and continue high level play. But that's a whole new thread on the benefits of JUCO.. Etc.

I get it. But there are a number of reasons for NDs underwhelming play and I don't think Longo is one of them.

Longo may not be the issue, but our players over bulking and not maximizing athleticism is more logical IMO than 'ND players have bad reaction time and take poor angles'.

If that's the case our coaches are doing a terrible job, because like you said, Saban has RS freshman playing like they've been in the system 4 years. And they do not take as many JUCO's as you might think.

 

[ulukinatme]

Well, we have an elite DL. How does our defense look?

Not that great, but tbh our DL hasn't quite lived up to the billing this year imo. Nix is doing is part I think, as he continues to try and cause disruptions and eats up two blockers like he should, but teams aren't trying to run up the middle on us as a result. If they do run between the tackles, they're smart with the blocking (I know they showed a play or two by OU's center Saturday). Tuitt has lost some explosiveness. Sheldon Day has been good at times, but he's also been injured and doesn't provide the same leadership Kap did last year.

Our DL is still very good, but the depth is a little scary, and I don't think they're quite as good as they were last year as a whole unit. I don't think the DL is the cause of our problems on defense, but I do believe theres been a little fallout.

 

[ulukinatme]

Longo may not be the issue, but our players over bulking and not maximizing athleticism is more logical IMO than 'ND players have bad reaction time and take poor angles'.

If that's the case our coaches are doing a terrible job, because like you said, Saban has RS freshman playing like they've been in the system 4 years. And they do not take as many JUCO's as you might think.

No, it's actually more logical that our reaction times are down and we've taken poor angles. The loss of Te'o shows this more than anything. Manti wasn't a speedster in a 40 yard dash, but he had great instincts and generally took good angles. Football is 80% mental and 40% physical ~ Steve Emtman

 

[koonja]

No, it's actually more logical that our reaction times are down and we've taken poor angles. The loss of Te'o shows this more than anything. Manti wasn't a speedster in a 40 yard dash, but he had great instincts and generally took good angles. Football is 80% mental and 40% physical ~ Steve Emtman

So ND players have an inherent inability to take angles that the majority of college football teams seem to have little problem with? I just don't buy it.

It's not just a missing Manti thing, this has been an issue for years. It's an issue across the board on defense. Blaming Farley, Zeke, Grace, Councel, Fox, Calabrece, etc., for being 'bad angle takers' is far fetched. Just my opinion. It's an athleticism issue.

I buy the argument that we don't recruit fast players and that's the issue more than I buy that we recruit players who think too much and don't take strong angles.