Is Manti Missed That Much....

stlnd01

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Defense is all about intensity. And we're not playing defense with anything like the intensity we've had the last couple of years. Maybe that boils down to leadership, I don't know. But I do know this is the worst we've tackled under Kelly/Diaco and - while we're getting good push out of our front three/four - I can't recall seeing a team blitz so much and sack so little.
 

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it seemed like once we got a lead the D played much better. and diaco created more pressure by bringing extra blitzers. maybe we're just playing ultra conservative until we have a lead which is getting us into trouble early.
 

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We don't have a talent problem. We have a leadership problem. Not only did we lose Te'o, we lost Kapron and Motta who were the leader of each respective unit. This team needs leaders to step up. The talent is there.



^This, ND lost senior leadership. Plus Golson was hard to defend. Rees can throw the long ball and maybe they should be doing that earlier, hell I don't know. He is gonna get somebody decapitated with high whizzers across the middle. Daniels is a beast. It was a win, I will take it.
 

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just checked the title and didn't read all the post but yes Teo and his leadership is hugely missed but so id Motta's. They were the QB's of the D. Who is doing their job now?
 

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KLM's absence has NOT been filled.
 
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We may have returned players on defense, but we lost a leader at every level on the defense. KLM, Manti, and Motta. Not to mention Spond retiring in camp. The whole team is a work in progress, which is a little surprising.
 

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It's all a little shocking. I feel good about Grace as a typical ILB, and he's made plays, but he also had big shoes to fill. Carlo I haven't been impressed with other than a big TFL he had in the 2nd half today. Fox made some plays, but he's not always there.

I'm definitely concerned with this defense, but I might be a bit more concerned with what Diaco is doing. He did a pretty good job in 2012, but what has he done this year? I feel like we're regressing back to 2010 defense /w no adjustments against Navy after halftime. Diaco said we couldn't change what we were doing in that game, it was too late. I felt the same way watching Michigan last week...it's like we continued to dare Gardner to pass while we tried to stop the run...and he continued to show us he could pass. I think we DID make some adjustments at half this week, we got more pressure in the 2nd half and it paid off...but man...have not been a fan of any of our game plans on defense this year. Every team we've played has made us look silly. While we may be lacking some leadership and there were a couple holes to fill, the players are also running the play's they're assigned. I think it's also up to the coaches to make sure we're fundamentally sound when it comes to things like tackling.
 

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I think the Motta loss was bigger than people think.

Yes he may not have had the talent of some of the guys around him BUT he always got guys lined up right and the coverages in the back end straight. I feel like there has been a lot more pre-snap confusion this. Certainly it is not like every play guys are confused but it seems we are more caotic before the snap trying to adjust to motions and shifts than we were last year.
 

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We miss Manti but I think the team really misses Everett Golson. Our offense is missing a dynamic.

The only thing Dynamic about Golson was his ability to scramble if he was getting pressure. Our D has to continue to get better, at the line and receiver coverage. ND's OF. line has to open up more for the run, Other than that Rees is getting it done.
 

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Yes. He is the most decorated defensive player of all time. And best MLB in ND history...

Of course. Especially when guys like Carlo and Fox follow.
 

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I think the Motta loss was bigger than people think.

Yes he may not have had the talent of some of the guys around him BUT he always got guys lined up right and the coverages in the back end straight. I feel like there has been a lot more pre-snap confusion this. Certainly it is not like every play guys are confused but it seems we are more caotic before the snap trying to adjust to motions and shifts than we were last year.

He wasn't all that great in coverage. Better tackler and run stopper
 

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Teams are always going to miss leadership like Teo's and KLM's. Those guys were just special players. I also kind of wonder what effect Belichick had. I'm a big proponent, especially with college football, of keeping it simple. I thought a big problem with Weis was complicating the playbook. These are college kids who don't have the time that a Tom Brady has to study and practice. I don't know exactly what Belichick said or if Kelly is even implementing all that stuff, I just wonder if schemes got more complicated because of an NFL eye. Just a thought.
 
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This is a half-baked thought:

In three games, by my quick count, we've had 7 drives of longer than 4 minutes -- 3 vs Temple, 1 vs Michigan, 3 vs Purdue. We're in the red on Time of Possession -- +4 minutes vs. Temple and +3 minutes vs Purdue, but - 8 vs. Michigan. This means the defense is out on the field a lot and getting worn out. Better ball control drives -- meaning not asking Tommy to throw first and chewing clock on the ground -- would be key to helping the defense while it sorts out schemes, leadership, identity, etc. All this confusion and underperformance is to be expected from a defense that lost three top filght leaders; the question is how best to make the transition to a new identity. I say, offensive playcalling is the key. Don't ask Tommy to be Aaron Rodgers when he's Joe Flacco.

I know this depends on the ground game asserting itself, and it involves "opponent is loading the box" challenges, but, after three games, I am not left with a sense that Kelly is committed to trying to establish a ground game; it seems much more that he's only too happy to have Tommy throw.
 
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(For more reasons than his skills at football)

He was a gentleman off the field, and a friend to people that didn't play.

Manti is a great example of what ND is all about. He got fukked because terrible people are terrible.

Lest we forget the type of man that Manti brought to South Bend all 4 years he was here.

A beast on the field, a gentleman off.

**Tips his cap**
 

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Read the title of the thread...the answer is YES.

for his skills of course but we really miss his leadership.
 

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^ yes
Holtz was always expounding on the importance of team leadership. (As does Kelly) I never understood why. But with the loss of Manti (and others) I now do.
I am convinced now that a successful college team needs three things: great players, great coaches and great team leadership.
And probably in equal parts.
 

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The only thing Dynamic about Golson was his ability to scramble if he was getting pressure. Our D has to continue to get better, at the line and receiver coverage. ND's OF. line has to open up more for the run, Other than that Rees is getting it done.


With respect I don't think Rees is really getting it done. I also think EG is a bit overrated. Not bad or anything but he needs alot of polish and is not very fast in the open field. He does have a good arm and can develop into a qb that can take us places..........and win hopefully when we get there. Or at least not embarrased in front of a nation when we get there lol.
 

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^ yes
Holtz was always expounding on the importance of team leadership. (As does Kelly) I never understood why. But with the loss of Manti (and others) I now do.
I am convinced now that a successful college team needs three things: great players, great coaches and great team leadership.
And probably in equal parts.
I agree with what you say but make no mistake leadership is not the problem on this team. TALENT and SPEED is the problem.
 

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We don't have a talent problem. We have a leadership problem. Not only did we lose Te'o, we lost Kapron and Motta who were the leader of each respective unit. This team needs leaders to step up. The talent is there.

yep what he said
 

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Football speed in not foot speed, although that is important especially on offense. Football speed is recognizing a play and getting into the correct spot to be your most effective. If it takes you a couple of seconds to analyze the developing play you have no chance; and if you analyze it incorrectly your foot speed just gets you into the wrong spot faster.
Studies of "genius" (both athletes and non athletes) show that the genius recognizes patterns almost instantly and correctly react almost instantly. If this is so, and it appears to be, than football practice should consist of 11 on 11 with little or no contact but rather very rapid changing patterns of formations. Contact should be limited to one on one or one on two drills, as violent 11 on 11 contact does not help develop football speed.
It is sort of like hitting a long ball in golf. If your ball doesn't get to the right spot, the longer the hit, the worse off you are.
I think we have excellent talent, most of whom are under performing probably because they are thinking to much and therefore reacting too slowly.
I believe one of our former linemen recently said the same thing. I don't recall which one however.
 

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Speaking of defense...... the Irish did beat the best defensive team a week ago..........

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz
 

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I think we have excellent talent, most of whom are under performing probably because they are thinking to much and therefore reacting too slowly.
I believe one of our former linemen recently said the same thing. I don't recall which one however.

Ronnie Stanley said this very thing in today's SBT:


"I learned the speed of the game and not over-thinking it," Stanley said. "These guys are normal guys like you and I. At the beginning, I'd over-think a little bit. Now, I come out more physical and confident in myself and what I'm going to do.
 
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