Interesting comments by Charlie Weis

[rikkitikki08]

The long road ahead for Charlie Weis and Kansas football - Grantland

Interesting article, i realize the Charlie Weis tenure didn't end well at ND but he still seems extremely bitter about it. Definitely worth checking out

 

[returnofthemack]

I don't blame him. Sure he wasn't a good coach, but he didn't deserve even a thousandth of the abuse he received. Can you imagine getting your dream job, coaching for your alma mater, and then failing them? He already felt bad, but the personal attacks were way too much. People would put for-sale signs on his front lawn and do all kinds of other stuff. Can you imagine being a father and having your son hear the kind of stuff people are saying about you in that situation? I will always sympathize with Weis. Not a good coach, but he tried his best, left the program in better shape than he got it, and I wish him all the best.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I don't blame him. Sure he wasn't a good coach, but he didn't deserve even a thousandth of the abuse he received. Can you imagine getting your dream job, coaching for your alma mater, and then failing them? He already felt bad, but the personal attacks were way too much. People would put for-sale signs on his front lawn and do all kinds of other stuff. Can you imagine being a father and having your son hear the kind of stuff people are saying about you in that situation? I will always sympathize with Weis. Not a good coach, but he tried his best, left the program in better shape than he got it, and I wish him all the best.

Not disagreeing with any of this, i just wanted to post the article because it does have some pretty interesting comments

 

[tko]

I'll read it later, but Charlie Weis treated people like sht at ND. Granted, the things people said and did were terrible, but that's kind of the result for being a complete Massengill. No, I do not like Charlie Weis at all, sorry.

 

[Cackalacky]

It is hard to think of another football coach with a career losing record who attracts more attention than Weis. This is attributable in roughly equal parts to his involvement in the creation story of Tom Brady, his five-year tenure as the head football coach at Notre Dame, and the fact that he has a big mouth. During the Big 12 media days, in July, after a reporter asked Weis how he sold recruits on a struggling program like Kansas, Weis answered that he catered to those who wanted to play immediately. "I said, 'Have you looked at that pile of crap out there?'" Weis said, referring to his own players. "'You've seen it, right? Unfortunately, so have I. … If you don't think you can play here, where do you think you can play?'"

If you are a player at Kansas.... what would you think of this? Makes me cringe just reading it. That's his pitch? Not much of an inspiration. SMH.

 

[50milesSE ND]

I don't in anyway think it's right for someones family to be hurt because of there job. However as far as Weis is concerned he failed bigtime as the coach at Notre Dame. He did bring in good recruits which was a good thing, but not much beyond that. I don't feel sorry for someone who made millions off a job he didn't even have to complete, or in his case not given the opportunity to which was good for Notre Dame. When you make that kind of money and fail be bitter with yourself not the institution that gave and didn't get much in their return.

 

[NDBoiler]

I don't blame him. Sure he wasn't a good coach, but he didn't deserve even a thousandth of the abuse he received. Can you imagine getting your dream job, coaching for your alma mater, and then failing them? He already felt bad, but the personal attacks were way too much. People would put for-sale signs on his front lawn and do all kinds of other stuff. Can you imagine being a father and having your son hear the kind of stuff people are saying about you in that situation? I will always sympathize with Weis. Not a good coach, but he tried his best, left the program in better shape than he got it, and I wish him all the best.

Fair points, doing stuff with intent to harm him or his family personally is way over the line for sure.

I'll read it later, but Charlie Weis treated people like sht at ND. Granted, the things people said and did were terrible, but that's kind of the result for being a complete Massengill. No, I do not like Charlie Weis at all, sorry.

Bingo - A legitimate question would be, what might change about the personal attacks if he wasn't a completely arrogant jerk? For comparison, when Holtz was in his waning years and clashing with the administration on his way out at ND, I don't recall seeing any "for sale" signs in his front yard (he lived in my parents subdivision). Granted he was much more successful in his career at ND, so that may not be an ideal example. But the point is moreso "you reap what you sow", as CW wasn't exactly making friends left and right with his charming personality. Therefore, in a way at least some of the responsibility for the personal attacks can be reasonably attributed to him just not being a nice person and rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. Just to be clear, I am not condoning any personal attack on CW or his family.

 

[dublinirish]

Man who treats people like **** gets treated like **** himself

 

[rikkitikki08]

The verbal attacks on his family, is new to me so i can understand being bitter about that. But him calling ND " that other school i used to coach" just shows you how much of an asshat he really is

 

[aubeirish]

I don't blame him. Sure he wasn't a good coach, but he didn't deserve even a thousandth of the abuse he received. Can you imagine getting your dream job, coaching for your alma mater, and then failing them? He already felt bad, but the personal attacks were way too much. People would put for-sale signs on his front lawn and do all kinds of other stuff. Can you imagine being a father and having your son hear the kind of stuff people are saying about you in that situation? I will always sympathize with Weis. Not a good coach, but he tried his best, left the program in better shape than he got it, and I wish him all the best.

Yup. That is unacceptable.

 

[BGIF]

I don't blame him. Sure he wasn't a good coach, but he didn't deserve even a thousandth of the abuse he received. Can you imagine getting your dream job, coaching for your alma mater, and then failing them? He already felt bad, but the personal attacks were way too much. People would put for-sale signs on his front lawn and do all kinds of other stuff. Can you imagine being a father and having your son hear the kind of stuff people are saying about you in that situation? I will always sympathize with Weis. Not a good coach, but he tried his best, left the program in better shape than he got it, and I wish him all the best.

Yes, the Obamas and Bushs do. Mayors, Congressmen, athletes, high school coaches, etc, etc. all have peole take shots at their kids. For Sale signs, moving vans, billboards, FireXYZ.com, stadium flyovers ... Doesn't make it right but it's commonplace. It goes with the territory.

Which is why most people in those situations don't put their 12 year old in a headset on the field game after game. In PC after PC Charlie touted he son's sage grasp of football fundamentals that Charlie's players didn't demonstrate on the field. Charlie painted a bullseye on Jr's back and then sent him out to play in a vicious world. He reaped what he sowed.

Taking your kid to work for a day is part of parenting. Injecting your child into the fishbowl of national TV and the media is child abuse.

The ND community embraced Hannah and the Weis Foundation. Let's keep it in prospective.

I was an ardent supporter of Weis. I understood in '07 what Willingham had left him. But he did have 2+ classes in. In '09 they were all his. Navy, Syracuse, ... He should have been able to beat either of those teams if he was coaching Toledo's talent. After all he did have a schematic advantage, didn't he?

Interesting reading that he was accused of not developing a backup QB at UF. He never developed one at ND. Now he doesn't have to develop anybody, he can just plug in JUCOs somebody else developed for him.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Yes, the Obamas and Bushs do. Mayors, Congressmen, athletes, high school coaches, etc, etc. all have peole take shots at their kids. Doesn't make it right but it's commonplace. Which is why most people in those situations don't put their 12 year old in a headset on the field game after game. In PC after PC Charlie touted he son's sage grasp of football fundamentals that Charlie's playes didn't demonstrate on the field. Charlie painted a bullseye on Jr's back and then sent him out to play in a vicious world. He reaped what he sowed.

Taking your kid to work for a day is part of parenting. Injecting your child into the fishbowl of national TV and the media is child abuse.

The ND community embraced Hannah and the Weis Foundation. Let's keep it in prospective.

I was an ardent supporter of Weis. I understood in '07 what Willingham had left him. But he did have 2+ classes in. In '09 they were all his. Navy, Syracuse, ... He should have been able to beat either of those teams if he was coaching Toledo's talent. After all he did have a schematic advantage, didn't he?

Interesting reading that he was accused of not developing a backup QB at UF. He never developed one at ND. Now he doesn't have to develop anybody, he can just plug in JUCOs somebody else developed for him.

I also found this to be pretty ironic. I just hate how when he got the ND job he knew certain things other programs do ND wasnt going to allow like JUCO players and yet he still bitched about it

 

[BGIF]

I also found this to be pretty ironic. I just hate how when he got the ND job he knew certain things other programs do ND wasnt going to allow like JUCO players and yet he still bitched about it

Being an undergrad he also had an insight into ND academic and Res Life requirements that outsiders like Kelly do not ... Until they experience it first hand.

 

[Cackalacky]

That article should be titled "The Short Road for Charlie Weis and Kansas Football." Another 1-11 season will not buy him much time. His obliviousness to his inability to be a head coach is saddening. I mean he even states to a recruit that the head coaching is bad.

You don't build a program with stuff like this. He will be gone in <2 years.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Reading that yeaterday, I just felt bad about the whole situation. I was probably the last person on the Weis bus at ND, but in retrospect it is clear that he was not going to succeed if he had been given 20 years. I've always like Weis because of his time in NE, and when he took the ND job and had early success, I was so gung-ho for the Weis era that it took me a season or two too long to see his shortcomings.

Still, it saddens me that anyone would have the kind of feelings about their alma mater that Weis has about Notre Dame. Part of that is his personality: he just seems incapable of being honest with himself about his own shortcomings. I know that he did not suddenly forget everything about football that allowed him to get the ND job and have initial success. He is his own worst enemy with his arrogance and bluster. I wish him the best at Kansas and I think he may have some shot there taking the route of jucos and transfers, but the deck certainly seems stacked against him.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That article should be titled "The Short Road for Charlie Weis and Kansas Football." Another 1-11 season will not buy him much time. His obliviousness to his inability to be a head coach is saddening. I mean he even states to a recruit that the head coaching is bad.

You don't build a program with stuff like this. He will be gone in <2 years.

Maybe. Maybe not. He has seriously upgraded the talent in the past 2 years.

Let's do a thought experiment:
Imagine what Ty Willingham left him at ND. Now remove Brady Quinn, Shark, Darius Walker, and pretty much everyone else who played a meaningful down. That's what Turner Gill left him at KU. It was amazing.

He didn't develop Crist at either stop, but neither could Kelly. I'm not sure that's on either coach. But with guys like Clausen, Crist, and Manti, he went a long way to changing the recruiting culture at ND. I don't think Kelly would be where he is right now if CW hadn't preceded him. I don't know if he's a good guy. He's certainly abrasive. But his players were pretty loyal.

As I've said on other parts of the board, he's seriously affected the academic success of his players as well...even the JUCO transfers, BGIF. Team GPA is up to 3.1 this summer from 2.4 in Gill's last semester.

Time will tell if they get much better on the field.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I wish him the best at Kansas and I think he may have some shot there taking the route of jucos and transfers, but the deck certainly seems stacked against him.

It is harder to win at Kansas than at Notre Dame. But it's worth noting that KU has exactly one more BCS bowl win than ND (Orange Bowl, Jan. 2008).

 

[Wild Bill]

His total buyout was around $18 million, if I'm not mistaken. Safe to say I could easily explain the pathetic behavior of a few ND fans with that kind of money.

I'll save my pity for those who lose their job and have to explain budget cuts, foreclosure, food subsidies, etc to their families.

 

[Emcee77]

Reading that yeaterday, I just felt bad about the whole situation. I was probably the last person on the Weis bus at ND, but in retrospect it is clear that he was not going to succeed if he had been given 20 years. I've always like Weis because of his time in NE, and when he took the ND job and had early success, I was so gung-ho for the Weis era that it took me a season or two too long to see his shortcomings.

Still, it saddens me that anyone would have the kind of feelings about their alma mater that Weis has about Notre Dame. Part of that is his personality: he just seems incapable of being honest with himself about his own shortcomings. I know that he did not suddenly forget everything about football that allowed him to get the ND job and have initial success. He is his own worst enemy with his arrogance and bluster. I wish him the best at Kansas and I think he may have some shot there taking the route of jucos and transfers, but the deck certainly seems stacked against him.

Man, I could have written that first paragraph myself. I always liked Weis and I was probably the last person I know to admit that he needed to go.

In other interviews he has been a bit more honest about why he failed at ND. One thing he has said that I think played a major factor is that he failed to assemble a coaching staff with any chemistry. He just went after guys he knew were great coaches, without thinking about how well they would be able to work with him or each other. Kelly's coaches are guys that he knows will be able to implement his system and coach the players up the way he wants them coached. I just feel like (at least now that Molnar and a couple others are gone) Kelly has a more cohesive staff, and a lot of his success with player development comes from creating an atmosphere where the coaches are on the same page. I think Weis gets all that now. Obviously there were other factors that contributed to his lack of success though, and I'm sure Weis could still be more honest about them.

 

[BobD]

IMHO Charlie is trying to be to his son, what Charlie needs the most himself, a strong micromanaging leader to keep him focused. Some people are not meant for the top spot, but make great assistants.

 

[BGIF]

It is harder to win at Kansas than at Notre Dame. But it's worth noting that KU has exactly one more BCS bowl win than ND (Orange Bowl, Jan. 2008).

Harder?

You can get dirt admitted and kept eligible.

For about 100 years KU played in a conference with 2 teams, OU and Nebraska. How hard is it to finish third and go 8-2 or 9-2 against CU, ISU and the rest of the Little 6 munchkins?

KU and KSU were in a perennial battle to see who would go 1-9 versus 0-10 until Snyder got hired. It took KU 17 years to figure out he was using JUCOs and scheduling crummier 1AA cupcakes than KU was?

 

[dublinirish]

Bringing in JUCO's every year isnt developing a program either

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Harder?

You can get dirt admitted and kept eligible.

For about 100 years KU played in a conference with 2 teams, OU and Nebraska. How hard is it to finish third and go 8-2 or 9-2 against CU, ISU and the rest of the Little 6 munchkins?

KU and KSU were in a perennial battle to see who would go 1-9 versus 0-10 until Snyder got hired. It took KU 17 years to figure out he was using JUCOs and scheduling crummier 1AA cupcakes than KU was?

Harder in that there isn't a winning football tradition at KU.

 

[kmoose]

I don't in anyway think it's right for someones family to be hurt because of there job. However as far as Weis is concerned he failed bigtime as the coach at Notre Dame. He did bring in good recruits which was a good thing, but not much beyond that. I don't feel sorry for someone who made millions off a job he didn't even have to complete, or in his case not given the opportunity to which was good for Notre Dame. When you make that kind of money and fail be bitter with yourself not the institution that gave and didn't get much in their return.

I have a feeling that his bitterness goes far deeper than simply failing at his job. I can't speak for what he was like, personally, nor can anyone here. None of us know the man on a personal level. It could very well be that those who characterized him as an arrogant jerk saw him that way because he did not lavish them with the special treatment that they felt they deserved?

 

[Irish#1]

1. Families should be off limits, but we know how that goes.
2. CW had the best of intentions while at ND.
3. CW was terrible at building a staff, which I believe was the reason he failed. We all know the fiasco with the DC position.
4. CW's schematic advantage was also part of his problem. It's okay to believe in yourself and your abilities, but don't think you're smarter than everyone else. There are a lot of smart coaches out there.
5. CW is one of those who are better suited to be an assistant and not a HC. He does one thing very well, but struggles with the total program.
6. If CW had a better personality he might have been given a little more time at ND.
7. CW won't last past 2014 if he doesn't show definite improvement.

 

[sparkyND]

1. Families should be off limits, but we know how that goes.
2. CW had the best of intentions while at ND.
3. CW was terrible at building a staff, which I believe was the reason he failed. We all know the fiasco with the DC position.
4. CW's schematic advantage was also part of his problem. It's okay to believe in yourself and your abilities, but don't think you're smarter than everyone else. There are a lot of smart coaches out there.
5. CW is one of those who are better suited to be an assistant and not a HC. He does one thing very well, but struggles with the total program.
6. If CW had a better personality he might have been given a little more time at ND.
7. CW won't last past 2014 if he doesn't show definite improvement.

Could you possibly elaborate more on point 3, regarding the DC fiasco? I am a newcomer and don't know much about this incident. Thanks.

 

[BGIF]

Could you possibly elaborate more on point 3, regarding the DC fiasco? I am a newcomer and don't know much about this incident. Thanks.

In '09 Weis appointed Tenuta and Corwin Brown Co-Defensive Coordinators. They blended as well as oil and water as the product on the field showed.

Charlie Weis to run Notre Dame's offense, too - ESPN

 

[fitz_bu47]

That article is trash. The quotes are from a couple of pressers, and the guy tried to get one on one and was denied. Not to mention the timing of releasing it, they just won their first game and looked better (I know, it was against an awful lower division team) doing it then they have in a while.

The pile of crap comment, while a little rough, is true. Not a single player disagreed w/ it, even those on NFL rosters asked about it.

I don't think Charlie gets a fair shake in the media, in part b/c of his "Jersey rhetoric" and how brash he was taking over ND, but it's still not right.

They were A TON better last year than w/ Gill. I am telling you guys, unless you got to watch it, it is hard to understand. Turner Gill might be the worst coach ever. He completely destroyed that football program in 2 seasons. Charlie came in and kicked 20some guys off the team for grades/drugs/etc. right away. JUCO kids were, and are his only option to get going the right way. He has said himself that approach will change as the program grows. They may not win too many games this year, (I think they can win 4-6) but they are in a lot better place w/ Charlie.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That article is trash. The quotes are from a couple of pressers, and the guy tried to get one on one and was denied. Not to mention the timing of releasing it, they just won their first game and looked better (I know, it was against an awful lower division team) doing it then they have in a while.

The pile of crap comment, while a little rough, is true. Not a single player disagreed w/ it, even those on NFL rosters asked about it.

I don't think Charlie gets a fair shake in the media, in part b/c of his "Jersey rhetoric" and how brash he was taking over ND, but it's still not right.

They were A TON better last year than w/ Gill. I am telling you guys, unless you got to watch it, it is hard to understand. Turner Gill might be the worst coach ever. He completely destroyed that football program in 2 seasons. Charlie came in and kicked 20some guys off the team for grades/drugs/etc. right away. JUCO kids were, and are his only option to get going the right way. He has said himself that approach will change as the program grows. They may not win too many games this year, (I think they can win 4-6) but they are in a lot better place w/ Charlie.

This is all true. Gill was an unbelievable disaster.

 

[fitz_bu47]

Hey Grantland, how about you give Charlie Weis a chance to work at KU | Need I Say Moore?

This article says it better than I can.