Improper Benefits in the SEC

[DomerInHappyValley]

The best thing I see is text messages and receipts.
Not a criminal who's mad saying ok watch this.

 

[ACamp1900]

Do you guys think that if the coaches were fined for major violations under their watch that the sport would become cleaner. It seems to me that they now have every incentive to cut corners.

They absolutely have to find a way to do this... and they have to have the power to hammer agents and boosters... It is my understanding that some states have recently passed laws to help with the agent thing (North Carolina comes to mind)... I don't think they can do much more than they are doing without the help of local and maybe fed. gov.

 

[ickythump1225]

I'm with Lax on this one. 'Bama won't get anything more than a slap on the wrist; certainly nothing as serious as a stripped title. Hoping for that sort of thing makes us look petty.

I disagree. I love college football and I'm tired of the bull$hit corruption and Alabama is the powerhouse of the dirtiest most corrupt conference in football. Them going down in flames is a net positive for college football. I'm tired of scumbag coaches and agents in "amateur" athletics and I'm tired of the whole gangbanger "gangsta" culture so prevalent in football in general. The non-existent academics and illegal benefits only enhance that because it allows players who probably wouldn't be smart enough to make it through an actual college load to skate by and keep playing football whereas they would normally be weeded out.

 

[ACamp1900]

I would respectfully disagree with whiskey also… this is college football, technically, what isn’t petty about this sport we all love??? But if a team wins a title while breaking rules the banners should come down, and for the record I stated the 2011 one burned me more prior to whisky’s post so it wasn’t being petty over spite about last Jan. I don’t know how you clean the sport up without taking the steps I mentioned in my last post AND hammering the programs in their current state, including vacating wins/titles.

 

[NDinL.A.]

All this stuff is great, but with the NCAA, it's too much of a flip of the coin. North Carolina was dirrrrrrrrty, and they basically got away with it. USC was dirty (not as bad as UNC and OSU IMO), and they got hammered. PSU gets hammered, but OSU gets basically a slap on the wrist all things considered. So did Oregon. Miami is dirtier than all of those schools, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get a slap on the wrist aside from the 2 missed bowl games their crappy teams didn't go to.

I won't say the NCAA won't do anything, because we have no idea what they'll do. Nobody ever does. But gun to my head, considering it's the SEC, I say nothing bad happens to them at all.

 

[ACamp1900]

UNC should have gotten hit MUCH harder... that was coaches actively breaking the rules and setting up academic fraud... yeah, they should have been buried hard.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I disagree. I love college football and I'm tired of the bull$hit corruption and Alabama is the powerhouse of the dirtiest most corrupt conference in football. Them going down in flames is a net positive for college football. I'm tired of scumbag coaches and agents in "amateur" athletics and I'm tired of the whole gangbanger "gangsta" culture so prevalent in football in general. The non-existent academics and illegal benefits only enhance that because it allows players who probably wouldn't be smart enough to make it through an actual college load to skate by and keep playing football whereas they would normally be weeded out.

I would respectfully disagree with whiskey also… this is college football, technically, what isn’t petty about this sport we all love??? But if a team wins a title while breaking rules the banners should come down, and for the record I stated the 2011 one burned me more prior to whisky’s post so it wasn’t being petty over spite about last Jan. I don’t know how you clean the sport up without taking the steps I mentioned in my last post AND hammering the programs in their current state, including vacating wins/titles.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for the status quo. And I'm as tired of the corruption as anyone, because it puts ND at a distinct disadvantage.

But nailing 'Bama to the wall isn't going to accomplish anything when the whole system is corrupt. That's why it looks petty to cheer for one program to get slammed. The NCAA made an example out of USC; and it hasn't stemmed the tide of money in CFB one bit.

I only see two solutions. Either the football schools: (1) double down on amateurism and give the CoI subpoena powers; or (2) they break off from the NCAA and form their own governing body, hopefully with sane rules and real effective enforcement mechanisms.

As much as I'd love to see #1, there simply isn't anyone out there advocating for it. #2 has all of the momentum, mainly because it would solve the terrible injustice of a few superstar athletes not getting to realize their full market value for a few years. Whatever happens, I hope it happen soon, but the status quo is not good for ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Nick Saban said he's pleased most players have done right things. "I've made a statement. Don't ask me any more questions about it."</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/377932681033834496">September 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[NDfaninBama]

something to ponder in all this, im not advocating it but:

if it was ever opened all up, let the players get paid by the schools, no ncaa interference, and amatuerism was thrown asunder, we would be the yankees of college football...having the biggest checkbook of them all.

What if Harvard wanted to win National Championships year in and year out? I think their endowment and potential for their checkbook would rival if not exceed ND.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Before walking off, Nick Saban sarcastically says, "Appreciate your interest in the game."</p>— Joe Schad (@schadjoe) <a href="https://twitter.com/schadjoe/statuses/377933066591031296">September 11, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[ACamp1900]

To be clear, I'm not advocating for the status quo. And I'm as tired of the corruption as anyone, because it puts ND at a distinct disadvantage.

But nailing 'Bama to the wall isn't going to accomplish anything when the whole system is corrupt. That's why it looks petty to cheer for one program to get slammed. The NCAA made an example out of USC; and it hasn't stemmed the tide of money in CFB one bit.

I only see two solutions. Either the football schools: (1) double down on amateurism and give the CoI subpoena powers; or (2) they break off from the NCAA and form their own governing body, hopefully with sane rules and real effective enforcement mechanisms.

As much as I'd love to see #1, there simply isn't anyone out there advocating for it. #2 has all of the momentum, mainly because it would solve the terrible injustice of a few superstar athletes not getting to realize their full market value for a few years. Whatever happens, I hope it happen soon, but the status quo is not good for ND.

I agree with this... for the record... I have always jumped on the slam them hard train when a program has stuff come out like this... not just Bama... if the NCAA were more consistent, even with the current systemic flaws, it would improve things imo.

 

[enrico514]

A good start would be for the NCAA to start enforcing their rules and punishing programs that do get caught (Miami, UNC).

Making the coaching staff and the AD to a lesser degree accountable (financially) would also help a great deal.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But I thought there was wording in the NCAA by laws for a situation where a team just gets off probation and gets busted again within 2 years.

 

[ACamp1900]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But I thought there was wording in the NCAA by laws for a situation where a team just gets off probation and gets busted again within 2 years.

If the report is accurate some of this (in Bama's case anyway) occured while they were still on proby..

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

If the report is accurate some of this (in Bama's case anyway) occured while they were still on proby..

Like I said the strongest part of this report is legitimate records. It is fun to watch a conference melt down though

 

[IrishLax]

Tennessee QB Tyler Bray: "I'm paid to win games"

Guess he wasn't lying.

It's funny because Dwayne Allen said something similar at Clemson... and nobody did anything. And you have about a half dozen facebook/twitter/instagram photos of Clemson recruits/players with HUGE stacks of cash... nothing.

This whack-a-mole system of investigating/punishing with no rhyme or reason does not work. More and more I'm convinced we need to go to the Olympic model and just let boosters pay what they're going to pay.

Alternatively, crack down HARD on schools by revamping enforcement procedures and drastically increasing the number of enforcement staff/how they go about enforcing the rules.

We have to get rid of the status quo.

 

[Kak7304]

something to ponder in all this, im not advocating it but:

if it was ever opened all up, let the players get paid by the schools, no ncaa interference, and amatuerism was thrown asunder, we would be the yankees of college football...having the biggest checkbook of them all.

Would ND be willing to put that money into a football arms race? The programs best suited to succeed with this model are the ones with boosters willing to pour money into sports. Places like Oregon and Okie State would be tough to beat.

 

[ACamp1900]

Would ND be willing to put that money into a football arms race? The programs best suited to succeed with this model are the ones with boosters willing to pour money into sports. Places like Oregon and Okie State would be tough to beat.

This is my first thought as well...

 

[NDohio]

The NCAA has the moral compass of Enron. I would like to see the current system used with competent leadership.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Improper Benefits in the SEC

Doubt anything happens, but at least the entire nation's suspicious are now confirmed, and those fans can't bury their head in the sand anymore.

 

[Kak7304]

Doubt anything happens, but at least the entire nation's suspicious are now confirmed, and those fans can't bury their head in the sand anymore.

I think you're underestimating SEC fans.

 

[phork]

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Just peeked at a Bama board, and the discussion was actually quite refreshing. Most posts were along the lines of "this isn't good," "DJ is an idiot," "this may cost us two titles," and "the evidence is pretty damning, hard to argue with it."

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Supposedly the authors said on a radio show that they would not hand over evidence to the NCAA and the NCAA would not be able to find it on their own.

 

[phork]

Supposedly the authors said on a radio show that they would not hand over evidence to the NCAA and the NCAA would not be able to find it on their own.

This is why the NCAA needs to be granted subpoena powers.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Think the only real solution is what others have said on here before: Give every program a clean slate, and release a non-negotiable, detailed "If this happens, we do this, no exceptions" contract all programs must agree to before fielding a team. Would it work? Probably not, but it beats what we have right now.

 

[Free Manera]

Supposedly the authors said on a radio show that they would not hand over evidence to the NCAA and the NCAA would not be able to find it on their own.

The author is Charles Robinson and I just heard him on the Chris Childers show. That is not what exactly what he said. He was asked whether, when scandals like this pop up, the NCAA approaches the author/whistleblower/media member and asks for information. He responded that an official might casually bring it up, but there are no official meetings or exchange of information. He then said he does not know whether sanctions will be handed down because he does not know whether the violations are "provable" based on the way the NCAA handles investigations. He said his job is done, and it is not his job to perform investigations for the NCAA.

Long story short, he is not against the NCAA here. He is simply saying he is not on their payroll and not interested in performing their investigation for them.

 

[ickythump1225]

I think you're underestimating SEC fans.

This x100000.

 

[loomis41973]

What if Harvard wanted to win National Championships year in and year out? I think their endowment and potential for their checkbook would rival if not exceed ND.

Along with MANY others.

 

[drayer54]

I need a Parole Tide T shirt. F them!