Clowney, Bridgewater, Miller join Manziel?

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

This rule is so stupid.

 

[PANDFAN]

Seriously increased security around a physical specimen like Clowney? Isn't him just saying "no" going to be enough for someone to know to back off lol....6'6 275lb...that would be enough for me

i thought the same thing at first...but look at other BIG and i mean physically imposing sports people who have gotten beat up....1 huge dude vs someone w/ gun or several ready to jump you...

 

[greyhammer90]

This rule is so stupid.

what do you suggest the rule be for autographs?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

what do you suggest the rule be for autographs?

Players should be able to sell their own autographs. People want to pay them to do it, and they are willing to be paid. Why are they restricting someone from making money? It's not hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with their football careers (agents should not be allowed to contact players like the rule is now), and it doesn't involve the school. If someone, for some reason, wanted any of our autographs, our school or job wouldn't restrict us from doing so. Why would the NCAA keep guys like Clowney or Manziel from doing so?

 

[Cackalacky]

Players should be able to sell their own autographs. People want to pay them to do it, and they are willing to be paid. Why are they restricting someone from making money? It's not hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with their football careers (agents should not be allowed to contact players like the rule is now), and it doesn't involve the school. If someone, for some reason, wanted any of our autographs, our school or job wouldn't restrict us from doing so. Why would the NCAA keep guys like Clowney or Manziel from doing so?

The Boz agrees. Merchandising.... merchandising!!

 

[AllGoldEverything]

My heart wouldn't break for anybody if they knowingly violated the rules and benefited from it. Call me old fashioned.

^

 

[GATTACA!]

God I'd love to OSU go down in this.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

How will the collapse of the NCAA be expedited?

What collapse?

I'm not ignoring you, I just got really busy at work. I will respond when I get home tonight

 

[greyhammer90]

Players should be able to sell their own autographs. People want to pay them to do it, and they are willing to be paid. Why are they restricting someone from making money? It's not hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with their football careers (agents should not be allowed to contact players like the rule is now), and it doesn't involve the school. If someone, for some reason, wanted any of our autographs, our school or job wouldn't restrict us from doing so. Why would the NCAA keep guys like Clowney or Manziel from doing so?

I don't know if you read my post in the Johnny Football thread and I go in a lot of detail there, but how do you think they would police such payments? Are you not concerned that rich alumni would just pay 500% what autographs would be worth and essentially buy recruits?

 

[Buster Bluth]

Players should be able to sell their own autographs. People want to pay them to do it, and they are willing to be paid. Why are they restricting someone from making money? It's not hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with their football careers (agents should not be allowed to contact players like the rule is now), and it doesn't involve the school. If someone, for some reason, wanted any of our autographs, our school or job wouldn't restrict us from doing so. Why would the NCAA keep guys like Clowney or Manziel from doing so?

"Hey of you commit to _____ I'll give you $200,000 for your autograph."

It'd be a huge ****ing problem and the end of amateur sports.

 

[Booslum31]

The Boz agrees. Merchandising.... merchandising!!

The school is involved...they gave them the opportunity and the forum to become stars. They assumed all the risks associated (injury, being a dud, being a thug, being horrible in the classroom, etc) with bringing an 18 year onto their campus for no-charge. Others paid a considerable sum to be at the same University. I talked earlier about the costs associated with these 18YO "investments".

 

[Woneone]

Players should be able to sell their own autographs. People want to pay them to do it, and they are willing to be paid. Why are they restricting someone from making money? It's not hurting anyone. It has nothing to do with their football careers (agents should not be allowed to contact players like the rule is now), and it doesn't involve the school. If someone, for some reason, wanted any of our autographs, our school or job wouldn't restrict us from doing so. Why would the NCAA keep guys like Clowney or Manziel from doing so?

Next thing you know players will be getting $25,000 to put their "Autograph" an a National Letter of Intent.

How do you regulate such a thing? How do you prevent a booster from giving a player $150,000 to sign his jersey, of course, on the condition that he stays another year, or transfers, or whatever.

Do you put a cap on how much one can earn in a given year on autographs? How do you police it?

The rule sucks. The alternative is worse.

 

[TCramer]

You have severely underestimated the persistence of professional autograph seekers. They are relentless and would only see dollar signs when thinking about the consequences of a beating at the hands of Clowney. That's a much bigger payday than a signature.

hahaha truth, I'd probably take a beat down from Jadeveon for the payday that would be coming my way afterwards...maybe

 

[Grahambo]

Let them get paid.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

How will the collapse of the NCAA be expedited?

What collapse?


The NCAA is a 1200 member organization holding 89 championships in 23 sports and governing over 400,000 student athletes. It won't collapse until its members decide to shut it down. It's not going to happen because some fans don't like a particular rule or policy. The rules are set by vote of the membership (university and college presidents). The adminstration (employees) gets to interpret those rules but if the members don't like the results they can change the rules or change employees as they have done over the years.



What's the alternative to the NCAA, the 257 member NAIA composed of generally small schools? Their rules are comparable to the NCAAs.

The abysmal AAU which struggles to handle 8 to 18 year old kids?

I didn't mean to suggest that the NCAA is about to disappear nor did I mean to suggest the NCAA gives a damn what fans think of their rules. I was more properly talking about amateurism and I meant to imply that schools would be driving the change.

If four stars of college football, which is by far the most popular of the NCAA sports and by far the highest revenue generator for schools (although not for the NCAA), were disqualified from NCAA competition for taking money for signing their name on some memorabilia then I think you would have schools collectively take a stand on amateurism. I truly believe 20 years from now players will at a minimum be allowed to promote themselves and accept money for autographs, speaking engagements, etc. I don't think the full on paying players and players receiving money from the sales of merchandise will happen but there will come a time when players are allowed to make money on themselves.

I only meant to suggest that four high profile disqualifications would force the issue.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I don't know if you read my post in the Johnny Football thread and I go in a lot of detail there, but how do you think they would police such payments? Are you not concerned that rich alumni would just pay 500% what autographs would be worth and essentially buy recruits?

How about if all payments from things like this went into a fund that was then used to provide a stipend for all the players on a team? Each player, whether a superstar or scout team member, would get an equal amount. Sure, a player like Manziel may be the one whose autograph or jersey is providing most of the money for such a program, but he didn't get there without his teammates helping him, so.... You cap it at $5000/player and that prevents rich alumni from making their school's payout program any better than any other school's.

 

[ACamp1900]

I often wonder what would happen to ND if the powers that be at the NCAA decide to just open the flood gates and let players get paid... interesting hypotheical.

 

[Bishop2b5]

hahaha truth, I'd probably take a beat down from Jadeveon for the payday that would be coming my way afterwards...maybe

You could buy one of those cool wheelchairs that's controlled by the puff & sip method and hire a full-time nurse to feed & bathe you the rest of your life.

 

[Zwidmanio]

Next thing you know players will be getting $25,000 to put their "Autograph" an a National Letter of Intent.

How do you regulate such a thing? How do you prevent a booster from giving a player $150,000 to sign his jersey, of course, on the condition that he stays another year, or transfers, or whatever.

Do you put a cap on how much one can earn in a given year on autographs? How do you police it?

The rule sucks. The alternative is worse.

It probably wouldn't be too hard to ascertain the market value for autographs. Limit the amount they can get for each autograph to that. It would be similar to the limitations on off-season jobs. You could also limit the number of autographs that the player could provide to an individual so you don't get boosters buying 1000 from a player at a few thousand a pop. Of course, this would be a compliance nightmare and I have zero confidence in the NCAA's ability to police jack squat...let alone something like this. Just playing devil's advocate.

I'm not sure where I stand on the subject really. On one hand, I see the immense potential for corruption if players were allowed to sell their autographs. On the other hand, it really does not sit well with me that a person is unable to benefit from signing their own signature on a piece of paper and handing it to another...especially when you know that there are entities out there making truckloads of money exploiting the $#!? out of these kids fame.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I often wonder what would happen to ND if the powers that be at the NCAA decide to just open the flood gates and let players get paid... interesting hypotheical.

The national championship game would be between Oklahoma State and Oregon almost every year.

 

[ACamp1900]

Whose the money behind OkSt??

 

[irish1958]

Boone Pickens

 

[ACamp1900]

Not gonna lie, I did not know that, and I know the name, but had to google to refresh myself on where I had heard it before...

 

[Bishop2b5]

Whose the money behind OkSt??

T. Boone Pickens. Multi-billionaire. He's put a LOT of money into OK St.

 

[T Town Tommy]

T. Boone Pickens. Multi-billionaire. He's put a LOT of money into OK St.

He needs a refund.

 

[ACamp1900]

lol... they've actually come a long way in the last twenty years or so... I remember in the post Barry era they were REALLY bad for a time there...

 

[T Town Tommy]

lol... they've actually come a long way in the last twenty years or so... I remember in the post Barry era they were REALLY bad for a time there...

I kinda lost interest after Eddie Sutton left due to all his DUI issues and the "I'm a man" speech from their football coach. Although the football team is getting some preseason love.

 

[NDhoosier]

Let them get paid.

People still fail to realize a couple things:
1) THIS WOULD RUIN COLLEGE SPORTS
2) If you pay male athletes, you must pay female athletes
3) Paying athletes is not really that feasible considering only a handful of schools actually make a profit from their athletic departments, so therefore it would give even more power to the big name schools (you cant say that is biased because ND clearly would not have an issue with that).

Paying athletes is literally the worst thing for college sports (especially football)

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

People still fail to realize a couple things:
1) THIS WOULD RUIN COLLEGE SPORTS
2) If you pay male athletes, you must pay female athletes
3) Paying athletes is not really that feasible considering only a handful of schools actually make a profit from their athletic departments, so therefore it would give even more power to the big name schools (you cant say that is biased because ND clearly would not have an issue with that).

Paying athletes is literally the worst thing for college sports (especially football)

"Let them get paid" does not necessarily mean that schools must be the ones to pay them. A lot of the issues people have stem from the fact that athletes have restrictions on what they can and cannot receive from others which no other students, or people in general, have. If the amateurism rules were to be relaxed or done away with then a lot of the problems would go away on their own.

And this isn't a football only issue. The amateur rules are a major pain in the *** for tennis and golf to name two other sports

 

[Cackalacky]

I am wondering why these can't be academy type entities like in soccer outside of the US. This could be applied to any sport. Let those who want to be professional be professional.