George Zimmerman Trial

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I have been in the ghetto, grew up in it. I often was the one targeted when i was younger even though I'm white because I was with black ppl. Its definately a problem so anyone that says different is ignorant. Secondly, he can call all he wants on different races but he took this case to the extreme and killed a black kid that wasn't robbing or stealing at all. He was on top in the fight as noted by the recorded police call I mentioned earlier and killed the kid out of spite and his color of his skin. If it was a white kid, would not have happened. If I had a weapon and was approaching a person I deemed suspicious, there would not be a fight if he attacked me, he would have got shot. Gz initoated contact and shot the kid, trayvon stood his ground and got shot. Period. System issue.
 

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I have been in the ghetto, grew up in it. I often was the one targeted when i was younger even though I'm white because I was with black ppl. Its definately a problem so anyone that says different is ignorant. Secondly, he can call all he wants on different races but he took this case to the extreme and killed a black kid that wasn't robbing or stealing at all. He was on top in the fight as noted by the recorded police call I mentioned earlier and killed the kid out of spite and his color of his skin. If it was a white kid, would not have happened. If I had a weapon and was approaching a person I deemed suspicious, there would not be a fight if he attacked me, he would have got shot. Gz initoated contact and shot the kid, trayvon stood his ground and got shot. Period. System issue.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 

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I've avoided this thread on purpose and finally decided to red the last two pages. Thank goodness I didn't start at the beginning. I couldn't take enough Excedrin if I had.

What happened is terrible. Who was really at fault? Only GZ and TM know. The bottom line is this issue was taken thru the courts and a verdict was rendered. The same way thousands of cases do on a daily basis. Time to move forward.
 

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I have been in the ghetto, grew up in it. I often was the one targeted when i was younger even though I'm white because I was with black ppl. Its definately a problem so anyone that says different is ignorant. Secondly, he can call all he wants on different races but he took this case to the extreme and killed a black kid that wasn't robbing or stealing at all. He was on top in the fight as noted by the recorded police call I mentioned earlier and killed the kid out of spite and his color of his skin. If it was a white kid, would not have happened. If I had a weapon and was approaching a person I deemed suspicious, there would not be a fight if he attacked me, he would have got shot. Gz initoated contact and shot the kid, trayvon stood his ground and got shot. Period. System issue.

#1) Im pretty sure experts stated that Trayvon's injuries indicate that he was on top and/or leaning over Zimmerman when he was shot.

#2) If you shoot someone before there was even any confrontation your going have a lot harder time proving the person was threatening you bodily harm. I get what your saying if you were attacked you would just shoot, but we can all agree that if Trayvon was shot without any conflict then Zimmerman would be looking a lot worse right now.
 

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I've avoided this thread on purpose and finally decided to red the last two pages. Thank goodness I didn't start at the beginning. I couldn't take enough Excedrin if I had.

What happened is terrible. Who was really at fault? Only GZ and TM know. The bottom line is this issue was taken thru the courts and a verdict was rendered. The same way thousands of cases do on a daily basis. Time to move forward.

I also avoided this thread but just because I didn't want to read bullsh*t political opinions.

Honestly I really don't care about the entire trial. Not to be an a** but people die every day. If I die or you die not more than 10 people would give a flying f*ck. All I can say is that the world demanded justice and that is exactly what we got: 6 unbiased jurors reaching a verdict given the evidence and arguments present. Just because you don't agree with the verdict doesn't make it an injustice (As long as there is no tampering or corruption involved during the trial).
 

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Listen to the police recordings. That willl tell you all ypu need to know. Bobd- race is an issue everyday. You either haven't been disrespected personally or haven't heard your white friends talk. Maybe I'm exagerating but I have seen too many occassions wher e race was the prime topic of issue. Sad story. Maybe its only indiana...
 

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Listen to the police recordings. That willl tell you all ypu need to know. Bobd- race is an issue everyday. You either haven't been disrespected personally or haven't heard your white friends talk. Maybe I'm exagerating but I have seen too many occassions wher e race was the prime topic of issue. Sad story. Maybe its only indiana...

I 100% agree that dummies of every color cause racial issues.

What I'm trying to say is these racial issues we do have, aren't caused by everyone, just the dummies. Our message to fight racial discrimination should be "Don't be a Dummy"

Obviously we may never know the entirely true story about what happened that night between GZ and TM. The only thing I'm 100% sure of is, it was a tragedy. I also feel 99% sure at some point, this whole thing could have been prevented by either of them.

This shooting and the outcome does not, in any way represent all blacks or all whites. Even the president mentioned yesterday, Travon had a much higher chance of being shot by another black man than he did a white guy.
 

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3. How to get young AA men/boys more encouragement that their country cares about them.

How about we start by having a President who doesn't act like the country DOESN'T care about them? I'm not saying that there is no prejudice left in this country, because I know that there is. But I have VERY RARELY ever come across someone overtly displaying it. Yet, to hear some AA leaders describe it, one would think that Woolworths still has separate lunch counters. Quit telling Black kids that prejudice is all around them(thereby conditioning them to look for it), and see if their experiences(or at least, their perception of those experiences) change.
 

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If anyone thinks that black on white racism does not largely exist in our country then you must have your head in the sand. I'd say at least in Florida that it's every bit as prominent as any other form, and you guys are right it's the dummies (and media) that promote it. Unfortunately there happen to be alot of dummies out there.
 

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Listen to the police recordings. That willl tell you all ypu need to know. Bobd- race is an issue everyday. You either haven't been disrespected personally or haven't heard your white friends talk. Maybe I'm exagerating but I have seen too many occassions wher e race was the prime topic of issue. Sad story. Maybe its only indiana...

Dude...just stop. You obviously didn't follow the trial or are ignoring the facts.

And while racism exists...it's not as big a problem as we think it is, it's just that we overreact to cases like this and deem it the norm. It's just not.
 

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How about we start by having a President who doesn't act like the country DOESN'T care about them? I'm not saying that there is no prejudice left in this country, because I know that there is. But I have VERY RARELY ever come across someone overtly displaying it. Yet, to hear some AA leaders describe it, one would think that Woolworths still has separate lunch counters. Quit telling Black kids that prejudice is all around them(thereby conditioning them to look for it), and see if their experiences(or at least, their perception of those experiences) change.

Great point. It creates this chip on their shoulder and they constantly have to be on guard or it creates a victim mentality.
 

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Pat you're absolutely correct, GZ had a proven past with "black" people. 2 years prior a kid who happened to be the son of a police officer in Sanford Police officer beat a black homeless man to death. It was GZ that went to city council meetings protesting that the man deserved better. GZ actually made and distributed flyers on the man's behalf demanding justice....but you won't hear about it in the media. Anyone can look it up, it's fully documented online dating back way before the TM fiasco.

Why have stories like this been ignored by the media?? Again, it seems there is NOTHING to lead us to believe that GZ had a racist bone in his body.

You sheep that believe this was based on TM's skin color are being duped in by the race pimps and media..that's all.

Had GZ had a racist past or made any slurs about black people? Different story. But here is a guy that not only protested on behalf of the guy that BGIF and Jmurphy mention above....but took his own time and tutored black youth in his spare time.

Again, show me some solid proof that this was about race? Or is that just a blanket argument in order to push a poltical agenda and rally the mob?
 

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This case was all a set up by the government. Its all a conspiracy.

It's a rope-a-dope. They have us all focused on Race Relations while the IRS is drawing up plans to tax the he!! out of anyone who is NOT in a gay marriage, to raise revenue to buy more black helicopters for the UN, so they can come in the middle of the night and confiscate our guns, clearing the way for single payer, pinko-commie Universal Healthcare.
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Bobd- good explanation but the numbers don't match the theory of its just the dummies in each race.

Also if the majority in here think there is still not racism I may have to simply bow out of this thread gracefully. I thought this was well known. The kkk isnt hanging folks still, the police are doing a pretty good job of filling the jails with them. I have friends of many races and can tell you without a doubt, racism still exists as strong as it as In a long time. If you don't believe me that's ok. If you want to take a ride on the wild side, come with me on a field trip and I can show you easily. Black ppl can be racist too, not denying that at all. However that's not the issue because of the tilt of power and numbers in the usa. Not a conspiracy theorist gentlemen, only relaying actual facts that I have seen with my own two eyes. Seems black ppl feel the same way, have you heard any hip hop albums lately?
 

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And Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, and Ben Carson are "Uncle Toms".

Lawmaker apologizes for calling Clarence Thomas ‘Uncle Thomas’ on Twitter

Daily Kos: Uncle Herman (Tom) Cain

Daily Kos: Dear Ben Carson, When A Person Has to Deny Being an Uncle Tom, It Usually Means They Are One

I'm so disgusted when Liberals and other African-Americans call the aforementioned gentlemen, "Uncle Toms". Not only is it derogatory, it's also racist IMO. For the party of inclusiveness, the Left has a lot to learn.
 

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Bobd- good explanation but the numbers don't match the theory of its just the dummies in each race.

Also if the majority in here think there is still not racism I may have to simply bow out of this thread gracefully. I thought this was well known. The kkk isnt hanging folks still, the police are doing a pretty good job of filling the jails with them. I have friends of many races and can tell you without a doubt, racism still exists as strong as it as In a long time. If you don't believe me that's ok. If you want to take a ride on the wild side, come with me on a field trip and I can show you easily. Black ppl can be racist too, not denying that at all. However that's not the issue because of the tilt of power and numbers in the usa. Not a conspiracy theorist gentlemen, only relaying actual facts that I have seen with my own two eyes. Seems black ppl feel the same way, have you heard any hip hop albums lately?

How much of the USA has your own two eyes seen? I'm not trying to discount your view, but maybe it is much more regionalized than you realize?
 

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I wish there were more women here, because I'm also a woman....and a lesbian.

So am I!! But I'm more of the no fun, Sloth from the Goonies looking, Lesbian... Not the cool adult film star type...
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If ever a thread needed a good high jacking its this one... Someone has to try....

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FYI, here's a summary of GZ's controversial 43 411 and 911 calls.

The Faculty Lounge: What Do Zimmerman’s Calls to Police Show About His View of Black Men?

8/12/04: Reports male driving pick-up without car seat

9/20/04: Neighbor’s garage door open

8/20/04: Reports white male walking in the road carrying a paper bag, presumably drinking

3/17/05: Pothole

4/27/05: Neighbor’s garage door open

9/21/05: Stray dog

9/23/05: Couldn’t reach his sister by phone

11/4/06: Reports pick-up driving around apartment complex for last five minutes “driving real slow looking at all the vehicles in the complex and blasting music”

6/24/07: Two Hispanic males and one white male loitering near pool; officer spoke to them and determined were locked out of their vehicle

10/14/07: Possible intentional damage to his car tire; thinks he knows who did it

11/25/07: Reports disturbance involving his ex-roommate, a white male

1/5/09: Fire alarm going off

3/12/09: Requests patrol outside his home for a week while he’s away

5/4/09: Reports blue Audi; unclear why

6/10/09: Fire alarm going off

6/16/09: People jumping over the fence and going into the pool area, playing basketball, trashing the bathroom; reports make and model of car

8/21/09: Disturbance involving landlord over rent and foreclosure

8/26/09: Male driving without headlights

9/7/09: Pothole

9/22/09: Speed bike doing wheelies, speeding and weaving in and out of traffic

10/23/09: Pitbull

11/21/09: Referring to unclear past event, GZ says subject is in front of his residence

11/3/09: White male driver in county vehicle cutting people off

1/1/10: White male having loud verbal dispute with female in back of pick-up

1/12/10: Neighbor’s garage door open, “very unlike his neighbor”

2/27/10: Reports residence in complex where multiple vehicles are constantly coming to the residence; unknown subjects run out to the vehicles and run back inside; the subjects are always outside with the garage open and hang out all night, an ongoing problem; unknown who lives at that address; GZ advises there are constantly different people

4/28/10: Vehicle obstructing road

6/12/10: At least 50 subjects GZ doesn’t think live at complex are in the clubhouse & pool areas having a party, causing road obstructions

6/26/10: Approximately 50 subjects are having a loud party and blocking the street

10/2/10: Female driver yelling at elderly passengers, unknown if altercation is physical, vehicle was rocking back and forth

11/8/10: Trash in roadway, appears to contain glass

11/26/10: Motion alarm tripped while GZ is out of town

3/18/11: Pitbull in his garage

4/22/11: Black male 7-9 years old walking alone unsupervised on busy street; GZ “concerned for well being”

5/27/11: GZ’s alarm tripped while he’s at work

8/3/11: Black male on foot at back entrance of neighborhood last seen wearing white tank top and black shorts; GZ believes he’s involved in recent burglaries in neighborhood; GZ says he matches the description that was given to police

8/6/11: Two black male teens near back gate of neighborhood, one wearing black tank top and black shorts, 2nd wearing black t-shirt and jeans; GZ says they’re the ones who have been burglarizing the area and predicts subjects will run into the subdivision next to his complex

9/23/11: Open garage door; GZ notes he’s part of neighborhood watch and is concerned about recent burglaries in area; had a neighborhood watch meeting previous night with Sgt. Herx who advised him to report anything suspicious

10/1/11: Two black males approx 20-30 years old appear to be loitering in their car at gate of community at 1 am; GZ doesn’t recognize subjects or vehicle and is concerned due to recent burglaries in the area

12/10/11: White male with shaved head at club house in black Mercedes was hired by GZ to serve food at an event but then GZ replaced him and subject seemed upset and wants to be paid; GZ has never met him in person; GZ’s wife will meet with police when they arrive

1/29/12: Five or six kids, ages 4-11 years, running and playing in the street and running out in front of cars

2/2/12: Black male wearing black leather jacket, black hat, and printed PJ pants keeps going to the residence of a white male; unclear what he’s doing; subject was gone when police arrived

2/26/12 [TRAYVON MARTIN]: Black male, late teens, dark gray hoodie, jeans or sweatpants, walking around area; GZ concerned about recent burglaries
 

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Don't know much about this case, but read some of the comments below. Some pretty foul stuff there.

Yeah... there is a reason I never, ever read the comment sections on general online articles. It's the worst. It's interesting to see a case so similar from 2009 though... just with juxtaposed races... where an unarmed white teen was shot by a black man and it basically played out the same way as the Zimmerman case. Just minus the media/public outcry/protests/federal investigations for civil rights charges/etc. Both men called 911, both men approached an unarmed teen, both people then shot the teen in perceived self-defense, and both were acquitted. Only difference is that Zimmerman was actually assaulted with physical evidence of the assault and the other man just claimed that the kid charged him.

So I think this just reinforces the idea that if there is something to be complained about here it is the laws involved NOT justice inequality because of race... and in the hypothetical "what if the races were reversed?" we have an answer to that question.
 

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How about we start by having a President who doesn't act like the country DOESN'T care about them? I'm not saying that there is no prejudice left in this country, because I know that there is. But I have VERY RARELY ever come across someone overtly displaying it. Yet, to hear some AA leaders describe it, one would think that Woolworths still has separate lunch counters. Quit telling Black kids that prejudice is all around them(thereby conditioning them to look for it), and see if their experiences(or at least, their perception of those experiences) change.

tried to rep you...succinctly expresses my thoughts...

...I hope Al Sharpton outlives me so I can be present in the afterlife the first time the good reverend crosses paths with Malcom X, Medgar Evers, and Dr. King....B!tch Slap comes to mind...
 

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Dude...just stop. You obviously didn't follow the trial or are ignoring the facts.

And while racism exists...it's not as big a problem as we think it is, it's just that we overreact to cases like this and deem it the norm. It's just not.


Lulz.....

This case shows us exactly the norm.


Edit: "African Americans are 3.7 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites, despite the fact that both racial groups use weed in virtually identical percentages."



Edit to the edit: I know I said I was done posting here... but this is crap. Racism is just that, racist.
The worst type is 'color blind' racism. It hurts more than the overt kind. Recognize.
 
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