Should Ohio State be shut out of NC game even if they go undefeated?

[IrishLax]

There's a discussion thread on ISD and I think it's an interesting topic. They play one of the easiest schedules maybe in the history of CFB for a major conference team. If Notre Dame played their schedule, we would be favored by double digits in at least 9 games and at least a TD in 11 of 12 games. We'd only have one game (@Michigan) where we'd be less than a TD favorite. Here it is for ref... the number next to the team's name is Athlon's pre-season ranking:

vs Buffalo (#103)
vs SDSU (#64)
@ Cal (#55)
vs Florida A&M (N/A)
vs Wisconsin (#19)
@ Northwestern (#24)
vs Iowa (#69)
vs Penn State (#39)
@ Purdue (#78)
@ Illinois (#86)
vs Indiana (#59)
@ Michigan (#14)

Zero Top 10 teams. Three top 25 teams. Four top 50 teams. So basically... 2/3 of their schedule is against cupcakes who are outside the top 50 projected teams.

So let's say you have two 1 loss teams from the SEC or a 1 loss Oregon or a 1 loss Notre Dame or the like... would you put an undefeated Ohio State in over one of those teams?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

No, probably not over those teams you mentioned, or another one loss team from Pac 12. But its too early to say maybe OSU's schedule will not look as weak at then end of the season, maybe ND schedule will not look as good, Pac 12 could have a let down year, or maybe hell will freeze over and the SEC will suck.

 

[NDPhilly]

If the system was fair, yes, but since they will start out so damn high, they'll get in. Kinda like how KSU was higher than us this year only because they started higher.

 

[IrishSpartan]

they will lose to cal and purdue

 

[gkIrish]

they will lose to cal and purdue

They didn't last year and they will be a much much much better team this year. I would honestly be shocked if they didn't go 11-1 or 12-0. Michigan and Wisconsin are the only teams that could beat them.

But yeah, I wouldn't put them ahead of a 1 loss ND or SEC team and most of us would probably agree. But realistically they would probably get in ahead of us.

 

[Buster Bluth]

vs Buffalo (#103)
vs SDSU (#64)
@ Cal (#55)
vs Florida A&M (N/A)
vs Wisconsin (#19)
@ Northwestern (#24)
vs Iowa (#69)
vs Penn State (#39)
@ Purdue (#78)
@ Illinois (#86)
vs Indiana (#59)
@ Michigan (#14)

And if I remember correctly, they made their home games against Wisconsin and Penn State both night games. Pulling out all the stops!

 

[Buster Bluth]

they will lose to cal and purdue

 

[T Town Tommy]

They would get in under the current system if they go undefeated due to being ranked so high starting out. That is exactly why Urban went to tinyOSU to begin with. And then they would lose by 21+ in the title game against whoever they play.

 

[Junkhead]

Wow. That is pathetic.

 

[NDWorld247]

So let's say you have two 1 loss teams from the SEC or a 1 loss Oregon or a 1 loss Notre Dame or the like... would you put an undefeated Ohio State in over one of those teams?

I think style points would be important for me. If they destroyed the teams they were supposed to and beat the better teams (Wisconsin, Penn State, Northwestern, Michigan) handily (10+ pts each), I wouldn't have a problem putting them in the NCG if there were two or less undefeated teams nationally. If they played Tressel-ball and barely beat 4-5 teams on their schedule, I would probably have a much harder time putting them in.

But, I don't make the decisions. They will get in if they go undefeated and two or less teams nationally go undefeated.

Question for those that follow OSU closely...if Braxton Miller tears his ACL before the season starts, does OSU have any chance to go undefeated?

 

[Junkhead]

There is an issue when an away game at Northwestern is one your "tough games".

 

[Buster Bluth]

Question for those that follow OSU closely...if Braxton Miller tears his ACL before the season starts, does OSU have any chance to go undefeated?

It would still happen >70% of the time. Guiton is a much better thrower than him anyway.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

they will lose to cal and purdue

I wouldn't be too sure of yourself Buster. Only thing weaker than OSU's 2013 schedule was OSU's [and FSU's] 2012 schedule. Remember, OSU wasn't poised to win their game against Cal last year until:

Braxton Miller lofted a 72-yard touchdown pass to an all-alone Devin Smith with 3:26 left and Christian Bryant snuffed out the Golden Bears' last chance with an interception to power the 12th-ranked Buckeyes to a 35-28 win on Saturday.

Check it out at the 3:32 mark:
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And that wasn't Urban Liar drawing up some deep ball. It was TOTALLY busted coverage by the Cal secondary.

Also, that was a Cal team that went 3-9, finally getting Tedford fired. This year Mike Leach air raid disciple Sonny Dykes takes over the program, also bringing with him offensive coordinator Tony Franklin. Franklin's offenses lead the SEC in passing with three different signal callers. Compare this to Cal's extremely dated pro-set offense under Tedford they faced last year.

Tosh Lupoi was a hell of a recruiter for them all around, but especially on the D-line before leaving for Washington. Dykes is going to get a chance to turn those boys loose.

The assumption that OSU is just going to roll, not that they wont, but the assumption in light of all the facts is just downright O-H-I-O punch drunk stupid prognosticating.

I know this was just about OSU v. Cal, but looking again and considering Purdue (who I think will be down this year) for a moment, all I'll say is OSU v. Purdue went in overtime last year. But I guess in Columbus a W is a W is domination.

If they go undefeated, I'd put them in the same tier as an undefeated Boise State for the same reason, S.O.S. is absolute garbage. I'd put ANY one loss team with a decent schedule ahead of them.

 

[ACamp1900]

If the system was fair, yes, but since they will start out so damn high, they'll get in. Kinda like how KSU was higher than us this year only because they started higher.

If they win out they will not under any circumstance be kept out, and the above point hit it on the head as to why... they will be starting number 2 in the country... sorry, win out and they are in... the only games that can stop a tOSU/Bama title game are the SEC title game (Because Bama can lose a game and still get in as they have been doing... they MUST lose the SEC title game or they are in, period) and the tOSU/UM game... if Bama and tOSU win those games the title game is set in stone imo...

 

[Andy in Sactown]

If they win out they will not under any circumstance be kept out, and the above point hit it on the head as to why... they will be starting number 2 in the country... sorry, win out and they are in... the only games that can stop a tOSU/Bama title game are the SEC title game (Because Bama can lose a game and still get in as they have been doing... they MUST lose the SEC title game or they are in, period) and the tOSU/UM game... if Bama and tOSU win those games the title game is set in stone imo...

I would agree 100% for the human polls (BCS component), but the computers could really take a **** on them if their schedule is proven to be as weak as it projects.

I could see the top one loss team leap frogging them. The end of my last post was answering "should they" while this is more "will they".

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

I wouldn't be too sure of yourself Buster. Only thing weaker than OSU's 2013 schedule was OSU's [and FSU's] 2012 schedule. Remember, OSU wasn't poised to win their game against Cal last year until:



Check it out at the 3:32 mark:
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/afXmMpoCF9M" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And that wasn't Urban Liar drawing up some deep ball. It was TOTALLY busted coverage by the Cal secondary.

Also, that was a Cal team that went 3-9, finally getting Tedford fired. This year Mike Leach air raid disciple Sonny Dykes takes over the program, also bringing with him offensive coordinator Tony Franklin. Franklin's offenses lead the SEC in passing with three different signal callers. Compare this to Cal's extremely dated pro-set offense under Tedford they faced last year.

Tosh Lupoi was a hell of a recruiter for them all around, but especially on the D-line before leaving for Washington. Dykes is going to get a chance to turn those boys loose.

The assumption that OSU is just going to roll, not that they wont, but the assumption in light of all the facts is just downright O-H-I-O punch drunk stupid prognosticating.

I know this was just about OSU v. Cal, but looking again and considering Purdue (who I think will be down this year) for a moment, all I'll say is OSU v. Purdue went in overtime last year. But I guess in Columbus a W is a W is domination.

If they go undefeated, I'd put them in the same tier as an undefeated Boise State for the same reason, S.O.S. is absolute garbage. I'd put ANY one loss team with a decent schedule ahead of them.

+1 Couldn't agree more. pOSU loves banging their chest after escaping games with crappy MAC schools and then they go out and talk about game of the century nonsense when they have to play the likes of Cal (Wow!!! I'm surprised they weren't scared off...), Colorado or name your next favorite third tier, MWC/slacker Big Least Conference foe. POSU and its fans are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet and will be the first to pound their chest when they beat their next directional Michigan school. Can't wait. I'll be waiting to let them know how idiotic they truly are.

 

[TK22867]

If the system was fair, yes, but since they will start out so damn high, they'll get in. Kinda like how KSU was higher than us this year only because they started higher.

Which is why there shouldn't be any polls in college football until well into the season. Teams haven't even played a single game yet some of them already are at a significant disadvantage. It's a crock, really, meant to sell tickets and hype.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NDPhilly
If the system was fair, yes, but since they will start out so damn high, they'll get in. Kinda like how KSU was higher than us this year only because they started higher.

Agree. Polls should not come out until mid October if you ask me.

 

[NDWorld247]

Something I just thought of is Ohio State will also need to win the Big Ten Championship game to go undefeated, so you can add an additional game against Nebraska, Michigan, Michigan St., Northwestern, Iowa or Minnesota to their schedule.

I don't think they go 13-0 this season. If they do, they probably deserve to play for the title.

 

[irishroo]

13-0 is 13-0. If they're the only undefeated team or one of two, they should be in. If ND were in this position, anyone think we'd even be having this discussion?

 

[Andy in Sactown]

13-0 is 13-0. If they're the only undefeated team or one of two, they should be in. If ND were in this position, anyone think we'd even be having this discussion?

If we played that schedule? ABSOLUTELY.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

13-0 is 13-0. If they're the only undefeated team or one of two, they should be in. If ND were in this position, anyone think we'd even be having this discussion?

Based on their schedule.... Hell yes we'd be having this discussion. And do you think the SEC would settle on this with the games they play? Hell will break loose if this happens.

 

[D-BOE34]

+1 Couldn't agree more. pOSU loves banging their chest after escaping games with crappy MAC schools and then they go out and talk about game of the century nonsense when they have to play the likes of Cal (Wow!!! I'm surprised they weren't scared off...), Colorado or name your next favorite third tier, MWC/slacker Big Least Conference foe. POSU and its fans are the biggest hypocrites on the face of the planet and will be the first to pound their chest when they beat their next directional Michigan school. Can't wait. I'll be waiting to let them know how idiotic they truly are.

Won't lie here. OSU looked like they were flying to the ball. Was a fan of this highlight. (Just wanted to slightly derail the convo) Carry on...

 

[JughedJones]

I'm not a tinfoil hat kind of guy, but if they get in ahead of nearly any major conference team with that schedule.... It's a frigging setup.

Good Grief. If ND tried that, we'd be laughed out of town....Urbie does it and its applauded as a come back from adversity. **** you.

 

[JughedJones]

Won't lie here. OSU looked like they were flying to the ball. Was a fan of this highlight. (Just wanted to slightly derail the convo) Carry on...

All my combined football knowledge told me we would have beat tOSU last year.

It would have been a dream matchup for us.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

All my combined football knowledge told me we would have beat tOSU last year.

It would have been a dream matchup for us.

Oh God, yes.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

The entire BIG play very weak non-conference schedules. Very sad.

 

[Irishnuke]

The entire BIG play very weak non-conference schedules. Very sad.

They play a very weak in-conference schedule too.

 

[GowerND11]

I'm curious guys, I agree that waiting to release human polls, in theory, is a good idea. But wouldn't those humans still be influenced by preseason hype and expectations as well as the ESPN machine to probably produce similar polls anyway? I feel that no matter what they would still overrank teams in a later poll, but maybe just not as many. That's my assumption. Thoughts?

 

[NDWorld247]

I'm curious guys, I agree that waiting to release human polls, in theory, is a good idea. But wouldn't those humans still be influenced by preseason hype and expectations as well as the ESPN machine to probably produce similar polls anyway? I feel that no matter what they would still overrank teams in a later poll, but maybe just not as many. That's my assumption. Thoughts?

I agree with this. I don't think having a later poll would change much. At the end of the day, the only poll that matters is the last one and a poll that's released in week 1 or week 5 would likely calibrate the same before the last poll is released.