CA Police shoot dog

[NDinL.A.]

Allow me to add something that hasn't been discussed...the area/city.

Hawthorne is a city high on crime, a city where it is VERY difficult to be a cop. I know this city well as the best man in my wedding lives in the next city over and I have driven through Hawthorne millions of times. For those that follow NWA or other L.A. gangsta rap, one bordering city is Inglewood (always up to no good), and one of the streets near Hawthorne is the famed Crenshaw Blvd. Hawthorne is just SW of South Central L.A, one of the roughest areas in the country. It can be a rough, rough neighborhood to live in.

Matter of fact, I used to coach against the Hawthorne High School basketball team. The trick to playing them was to get them later in the season, because over 50% of their student body was always ineligible to play once grades came out (per their head coach). If you played them after like the 2nd or 3rd week, you were getting half their squad.

Now, I haven't even watched the video yet, I'm just saying, the officers have A LOT on their minds that many of us would have no possible way of comprehending. We just don't see that kind of violence in our lives. Also, anyone saying they should have uncuffed the guy to allow him to get his dog settled down doesn't know police protocol, and doesn't understand the level of criminal these guys are dealing with every day. You are asking for your own death if you do that. As someone already mentioned, that guy could have things hidden that the cops have no idea about. If I'm a cop, and I have people at home counting on me to survive and provide for them, no way in hell am I uncuffing in that situation.

Sounds like a messed up situation...just thought I'd give a little background on the area these guys are dealing with.

 

[jmurphy75]

Allow me to add something that hasn't been discussed...the area/city.

Hawthorne is a city high on crime, a city where it is VERY difficult to be a cop. I know this city well as the best man in my wedding lives in the next city over and I have driven through Hawthorne millions of times. For those that follow NWA or other L.A. gangsta rap, one bordering city is Inglewood (always up to no good), and one of the streets near Hawthorne is the famed Crenshaw Blvd. Hawthorne is just SW of South Central L.A, one of the roughest areas in the country. It can be a rough, rough neighborhood to live in.

Matter of fact, I used to coach against the Hawthorne High School basketball team. The trick to playing them was to get them later in the season, because over 50% of their student body was always ineligible to play once grades came out (per their head coach). If you played them after like the 2nd or 3rd week, you were getting half their squad.

Now, I haven't even watched the video yet, I'm just saying, the officers have A LOT on their minds that many of us would have no possible way of comprehending. We just don't see that kind of violence in our lives. Also, anyone saying they should have uncuffed the guy to allow him to get his dog settled down doesn't know police protocol, and doesn't understand the level of criminal these guys are dealing with every day. You are asking for your own death if you do that. As someone already mentioned, that guy could have things hidden that the cops have no idea about. If I'm a cop, and I have people at home counting on me to survive and provide for them, no way in hell am I uncuffing in that situation.

Sounds like a messed up situation...just thought I'd give a little background on the area these guys are dealing with.

I actually posted a one sided opinion on things earlier and although the outcome of the video sucks I have no right to judge the situation. I'm a dog lover and my dogs are my family and that's why my initial response was harsh towards the police. I'm not saying that they were at all right, or are not responsible for EXTREMELY POOR judgement but I don't live there and am in no position to judge.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't know what I would've done in the officer's shoes. On one hand, the force in retrospect seems extremely excessive. On the other hand, being too lenient results in things like Kyle Dinkheller losing his life. In the moment, it can be hard to determine when is the appropriate time to use force and how much should be utilized... and it's better to be safe than sorry.

With all that being said... I'm not sure why he felt as threatened as he did by that dog. I mean really... shooting it 4 times? Really? It's not like he was alone in an alley with the dog and had a reasonable fear for his life. He had tons of people around him to assist if he got bit AND the dog's owner was there and he could've presumably gotten the dog under control if they let him AND the dog was still on a leash.

 

[DSully1995]

Dont like the arrest, but a rottwheiler trying to bit you will make almost anyone do drastic stuff.

 

[BobD]

We rescue and foster dogs until they can be adopted. The amount of abused and trained to be vicious dogs here in California is unbelievable. It seems almost daily now that we read stories about attacks. I think 1/3 to 1/2 of all dog attack fatalities happen here. It's so sad what humans have done to some of these breeds.

What happened to this poor dog is the fault of the owner, it didn't put itself in that situation. I don't think the officer should have killed it, but can't blame them for not wanting to find out how the dog was going to act, those dogs are extremely strong and the last thing you want to be is a cop in Hawthorne with a dog attached to one of your arms while you're surrounded by druggies and gang bangers. Hawthorne sucks.

 

[arrowryan]

How close is Gary, Indiana to Hawthorne violence wise? Gary is as bad as it gets in Indiana

 

[jerboski]

Dog jumped out of car and came at officers while they are trying to secure an arrestee and have a perimeter slash investigation on behind them. Officer did what he was trained to do, bad situation for the dog to be in. If you guys are gonna fault anyone it's the owner of the dog, dude is a moron.

 

[GreenSox04]

I posted this here the other day, I was enraged which is why I was happy whiskey yanked it before it reached alot of people, but since it has shown up again..

Initial reaction, I wanted the dudes badge, as a big time fan of pups i was disgusted.. But as time passed and you take into account factors pointed out, with the rough area and such..

Pepper spray? Tazer the dog? Sure, Then we aren't here atleast, but animal activists are calling for this guys job and that whole mess would of arose I'm sure. What could the cop say put in that spot? "Atleast I didn't shoot it?" That wouldn't go over very well I'm sure..

Ill just add this

1) people everywhere, don't like cops dropping 4 In an area that has what seems to be decent amount of bistanders, especially when it's a pup.

Wonder what would of happened had this man who was arrested was being questioned and a squad dog, for whatever reason out of the blue (I know they're highly trained to respond only when necessary) jumped out the back of a cruiser and before the police secured the dog, the squad dog lunged at the man in question and he pulled out a licensed fire arm and shot the police dog..

 

[Grahambo]

I don't know what I would've done in the officer's shoes. On one hand, the force in retrospect seems extremely excessive. On the other hand, being too lenient results in things like Kyle Dinkheller losing his life. In the moment, it can be hard to determine when is the appropriate time to use force and how much should be utilized... and it's better to be safe than sorry.

With all that being said... I'm not sure why he felt as threatened as he did by that dog. I mean really... shooting it 4 times? Really? It's not like he was alone in an alley with the dog and had a reasonable fear for his life. He had tons of people around him to assist if he got bit AND the dog's owner was there and he could've presumably gotten the dog under control if they let him AND the dog was still on a leash.

Dinkheller's video is the saddest video I can ever recall seeing. The perp said he did it because Dinkheller let him. Just sad.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Dont like the arrest, but a rottwheiler trying to bit you will make almost anyone do drastic stuff.

^Tend to agree. The stop/frisk for just standing there was BS.

But the cop actually tried to reach out to the dog before shooting it...I thought that was actually kinda dumb -- could have easily lost his hand.

 

[ACamp1900]

Just watched, wished I hadn't...

You can't really tell why the arrest occurred... anyone care to help me out??

I couldn't imagine watching my pet being shot in front of me like that... I would hold some animosity for certain, poor guy... with that said, what the hell was the cop supposed to do once it got to that point? Bad situation all around.

 

[ACamp1900]

The first thing I noticed was the owner's reaction... I'd react the same if my cat Timon was killed in front of me... people can obviously have love for their close pets and vice versa... regardless of who is to blame that is a hard thing to imagine watching... my heart goes out to the guy...

 

[Chi_IRISH]

I saw this a couple of days ago, and I would've done the same exact thing the police officer did. I'm sorry but if the owner didn't get arrested this would've never happened! 100% in the owner, keep your mouth shut and this never hapens. I'm sure a lawsuit of some sort is already in the works! I have a ton of buddies that are CPD and I don't event thier job one bit!

 

[SoDakDomer]

I posted this here the other day, I was enraged which is why I was happy whiskey yanked it before it reached alot of people, but since it has shown up again..

Initial reaction, I wanted the dudes badge, as a big time fan of pups i was disgusted.. But as time passed and you take into account factors pointed out, with the rough area and such..

Pepper spray? Tazer the dog? Sure, Then we aren't here atleast, but animal activists are calling for this guys job and that whole mess would of arose I'm sure. What could the cop say put in that spot? "Atleast I didn't shoot it?" That wouldn't go over very well I'm sure..

Ill just add this

1) people everywhere, don't like cops dropping 4 In an area that has what seems to be decent amount of bistanders, especially when it's a pup.
Wonder what would of happened had this man who was arrested was being questioned and a squad dog, for whatever reason out of the blue (I know they're highly trained to respond only when necessary) jumped out the back of a cruiser and before the police secured the dog, the squad dog lunged at the man in question and he pulled out a licensed fire arm and shot the police dog..

There were people everywhere in that video, and he shoots the dog 4 times!! WTF, thats a bit irresponsible IMO.

 

[ACamp1900]

I have a longtime friend who is San Bernardino County Sherriff... The stories she tells me are just crazy, people call the police… then when you show up you are verbally abused by the people that call… Plus, bottom line, if that size animal is about to attack me… I can’t say I respond differently. I definitely don’t blame the cop that shot the dog…

 

[Grahambo]

^Tend to agree. The stop/frisk for just standing there was BS.

But the cop actually tried to reach out to the dog before shooting it...I thought that was actually kinda dumb -- could have easily lost his hand.

Just watched, wished I hadn't...

You can't really tell why the arrest occurred... anyone care to help me out??

I couldn't imagine watching my pet being shot in front of me like that... I would hold some animosity for certain, poor guy... with that said, what the hell was the cop supposed to do once it got to that point? Bad situation all around.

Local papers were saying the police were involved with an armed robbery/possible hostage standoff. The guy was blaring his music from his car which was interfering with what was going on. He refused to comply.

 

[magogian]

You can't really tell why the arrest occurred... anyone care to help me out??

Just read my earlier posts.

 

[magogian]

There were people everywhere in that video, and he shoots the dog 4 times!! WTF, thats a bit irresponsible IMO.

Thanks for posting this. It is this unreasoned nonsense that is all too typical.

One simply does not "fire once for effect" or just try to "wing" the target. In such stressful situations that often develop quickly in mere seconds, it is very difficult to hit your target, even if close, with one bullet. Further, in a dangerous situation, even if you were to fire just one bullet, it may take too long to be able to figure out if you hit the target. By then, you could be injured or dead. So, you have to fire multiple shots. Further, one bullet is often not enough to stop the threat. This cop took 4 shots or so, and even then the dog wasn't completely stopped.

Further, the cop wasn't shooting in the direction of others. He was shooting down to the dog.

 

[NDinFL]

Thanks for posting this. It is this unreasoned nonsense that is all too typical.

One simply does not "fire once for effect" or just try to "wing" the target. In such stressful situations that often develop quickly in mere seconds, it is very difficult to hit your target, even if close, with one bullet. Further, in a dangerous situation, even if you were to fire just one bullet, it may take too long to be able to figure out if you hit the target. By then, you could be injured or dead. So, you have to fire multiple shots. Further, one bullet is often not enough to stop the threat. This cop took 4 shots or so, and even then the dog wasn't completely stopped.

Further, the cop wasn't shooting in the direction of others. He was shooting down to the dog.

What about pepper spray?

Or tazing the dog?

Ya know, non lethal force

 

[SoDakDomer]

Thanks for posting this. It is this unreasoned nonsense that is all too typical.

One simply does not "fire once for effect" or just try to "wing" the target. In such stressful situations that often develop quickly in mere seconds, it is very difficult to hit your target, even if close, with one bullet. Further, in a dangerous situation, even if you were to fire just one bullet, it may take too long to be able to figure out if you hit the target. By then, you could be injured or dead. So, you have to fire multiple shots. Further, one bullet is often not enough to stop the threat. This cop took 4 shots or so, and even then the dog wasn't completely stopped.

Further, the cop wasn't shooting in the direction of others. He was shooting down to the dog.

Honest question, have you ever shot a gun before? Regardless if he was shooting down at the dog or even hit the dog with all 4 shots, there are going to be strays going in a variety of directions.