Naval Academy football players accused of Sexual Assau

[chicago51]

3 Naval Academy football players have been accused of sexual assault.

U.S. Naval Academy football players investigated for sexual assault - Chicago Tribune

Figured I'd post for people's information since it affects one of ND's opponents.

 

[mgriff]

While it needs to be investigated, I would urge everyone to use caution. Usually, people want to immediately white knight and destroy these guys, but women have lied in this situations enough to warrant restraint.

 

[ACamp1900]

While it needs to be investigated, I would urge everyone to use caution. Usually, people want to immediately white knight and destroy these guys, but women have lied in this situations enough to warrant restraint.

This, let all the facts come in... Either way.

 

[BGIF]

While it needs to be investigated, I would urge everyone to use caution. Usually, people want to immediately white knight and destroy these guys, but women have lied in this situations enough to warrant restraint.

Naval Academy football players accused of sexual assault to face possible charges - CapitalGazette.com: Naval Academy | Military

By Alex Jackson
6/17/13


This isn't a "she said, he said".

She has acknowledged that she was drunk and does not recall the assault. She learned about it from friends and social media posts by those charged.

She was reprimanded for intoxication.

The USNA Superintendent has directed the case go to an Article 32 Hearing based upon NCIS investigation. Names have not been released. Two of the three charged are underclassmen.

 

[kmoose]

Naval Academy football players accused of sexual assault to face possible charges - CapitalGazette.com: Naval Academy | Military

By Alex Jackson
6/17/13


This isn't a "she said, he said".

She has acknowledged that she was drunk and does not recall the assault. She learned about it from friends and social media posts by those charged.

She was reprimanded for intoxication.

The USNA Superintendent has directed the case go to an Article 32 Hearing based upon NCIS investigation. Names have not been released. Two of the three charged are underclassmen.

I do find it interesting that intoxication is no excuse for poor judgement in terms of, say, robbing a liquor store or getting into a fight. But intoxication appears to be a perfectably acceptable excuse for poor judgement in terms of choosing a sexual partner. Despite being drunk, you are assumed to have willingly committed a robbery or other crime. But, when a girl is drunk, it is assumed that the she was an UNwilling participant in any sexual conduct.

 

[Sgtshultz]

I do find it interesting that intoxication is no excuse for poor judgement in terms of, say, robbing a liquor store or getting into a fight. But intoxication appears to be a perfectably acceptable excuse for poor judgement in terms of choosing a sexual partner. Despite being drunk, you are assumed to have willingly committed a robbery or other crime. But, when a girl is drunk, it is assumed that the she was an UNwilling participant in any sexual conduct.

You are oversimplifying. If someone is intoxicated to the point of not being able to make rational decisions then it is illegal. Although I am not familiar with the facts of this case, the victim would have to be pretty heavily intoxicated and not a situation where she was merely buzzed off of 4 or 5 beers. Especially if you have more than one guy on one drunken female, an alarm bell should have gone off in one of their heads at some point you would think.

 

[BGIF]

Sex assault charges brought against three midshipman | Navy Times | navytimes.com

By Jacqueline Klimas Gannett News

6/19/13

 

[stlnd01]

I do find it interesting that intoxication is no excuse for poor judgement in terms of, say, robbing a liquor store or getting into a fight. But intoxication appears to be a perfectably acceptable excuse for poor judgement in terms of choosing a sexual partner. Despite being drunk, you are assumed to have willingly committed a robbery or other crime. But, when a girl is drunk, it is assumed that the she was an UNwilling participant in any sexual conduct.

"...three football players were claiming to have had sexual intercourse with her while she was incapacitated,”

"She said that there were witnesses and that the three accused midshipmen bragged to her about what they did.
Sex assault charges brought against three midshipman | Navy Times | navytimes.com

"She was later disciplined for underage drinking, but the players were not, Burke said. The athletes were allowed to keep playing despite being under investigation, and the female midshipman was required to attend football games, Burke said."
Rape charges filed against three Naval Academy football players - The Washington Post

But, sure, blame the victim.

 

[BGIF]

Keep in mind this wasn't a civilian situation. She was an underclassman, a So., while the males were upperclassmen, two Jrs, one a Sr.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Keep in mind this wasn't a civilian situation. She was an underclassman, a So., while the males were upperclassmen, two Jrs, one a Sr.

Not quite. While they are enrolled at the United States Naval Academy, they are not enlisted nor have they earned their commissions. While they're at Annapolis, they're just plebs [students].

It's true the military culture is there, as well as the academy being run by active duty personnel, so I get the point. Just a clarification, really. It should be analogous to a rape investigation at any other university, but you're right it's got the military motif going for it.

 

[BGIF]

Not quite. While they are enrolled at the United States Naval Academy, they are not enlisted nor have they earned their commissions. While they're at Annapolis, they're just plebs [students].

It's true the military culture is there, as well as the academy being run by active duty personnel, so I get the point. Just a clarification, really. It should be analogous to a rape investigation at any other university, but you're right it's got the military motif going for it.

Quite.

While enrolled at USNA indeed they are not enlisted nor have they earned their commissions BUT they were sworn in. They are on active duty, check the USNA website.

As midshipmen they are officers-in-training. They receive monthly military pay and benefits. Their paygrade is slightly above W-1.

By the way, isn't plebe just a nickname for Fourth Classmen as they are "plebeians" at the bottom of the brigade? Upperclassmen are also student officers-in-training but they are not plebes.

As members of the military they are subject to the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice hence the Article 32 Hearing rather than a Grand Jury Hearing in Annapolis convened by civilian authorities. Should this proceed to Court Martial and they be found guilty they will be subject to UCMJ punishment at a federal facility rather than Maryland Penal Code. Likewise rules of evidence, procedures, testimony, etc. are pursuant to UCMJ and not civilian law.

While the alledged assault took place off campus and not on federal property the investigation was conducted by Naval Criminal Investigation Service personnel not by the Annapolis Police Department nor Maryland State Troopers as this is a military matter. If they were simply students, local law enforcement and local D.A. would have had jurisdiction.

 

[NDWorld247]

While the alledged assault took place off campus and not on federal property the investigation was conducted by Naval Criminal Investigation Service personnel not by the Annapolis Police Department nor Maryland State Troopers as this is a military matter. If they were simply students, local law enforcement and local D.A. would have had jurisdiction.

If Leroy Jethro Gibbs is on the case, I am confident justice will be served.

 

[BGIF]

Charged Navy football players are identified

By Jacqueline Klimas, USAToday
6/22/13

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I do find it interesting that intoxication is no excuse for poor judgement in terms of, say, robbing a liquor store or getting into a fight. But intoxication appears to be a perfectably acceptable excuse for poor judgement in terms of choosing a sexual partner. Despite being drunk, you are assumed to have willingly committed a robbery or other crime. But, when a girl is drunk, it is assumed that the she was an UNwilling participant in any sexual conduct.

This isn't about the girl and her intoxication. This is about three men that new better; took advantage of her, (by all accounts), and had intercourse without consent.

I would think there would have to be very good eye witness testimony, because I am not sure any forensic material was collected. I would think if it was this investigation would have had legs in 2012.

Now it seems as there is more that three a$$holes bragging in this case, because that would be ironic if any one of them was caught just by their own words.

The thing that disturbs me about this post kmoose, is that many people have the idea that the assaulted person is responsible for their sexual assault. They are not ever. That is just the way it is.

And in this case it is a more ridiculous assertion, because this girl, (from everything I have read or heard was 'unconscious' or at best 'semi-conscious' during all of it. Stupid for a girl to sail into such dangerous waters alone? Maybe. But maybe she thought she was safe with male friends, even some of those who slipped her Willie.

 

[BGIF]

2 ex-Navy football players to face court-martial in sex assault case | Fox News

The U.S. Naval Academy superintendent says two of three midshipmen should face a court-martial in a sexual assault case.

Vice Adm. Michael Miller on Thursday said he has referred the cases of Midshipmen Eric Graham and Joshua Tate to general court-martial. He decided not to refer Midshipman Tra'ves Bush.

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Graham is charged with Abusive Sexual Contact and Tate is charged with Aggravated Sexual Assault, according to a statement from the Navy.

The decision comes after an Article 32 hearing, the civilian equivalent of a preliminary hearing, in which the alleged victim's underwent more than 30 hours of cross-examination this fall by three defense teams. She faced graphic questions about sexual acts and her attorney criticized the process.

...

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I do find it interesting that intoxication is no excuse for poor judgement in terms of, say, robbing a liquor store or getting into a fight. But intoxication appears to be a perfectably acceptable excuse for poor judgement in terms of choosing a sexual partner. Despite being drunk, you are assumed to have willingly committed a robbery or other crime. But, when a girl is drunk, it is assumed that the she was an UNwilling participant in any sexual conduct.

Horrendous victim-blaming post.

 

[kmoose]

Horrendous victim-blaming post.

I'm sorry about your reading comprehension problems. I did NOT blame the victim. I just find it interesting that a drunk is presumed to have NOT consented to a sexual encounter. However, if a male is at a bar, and gets baited into a fight, he is presumed to willingly and willfully participated in the fight.

None of that means that this girl was not taken advantage of, assaulted, or even outright raped.