CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

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Let's hope Hendrix can break through, which he can if we want to make a BCS game. I like Tommy, but he's too immobile and weak of an arm to make that big of a difference. Hopefully he can unleash his underdog story and do well. But that won't likely happen.

Nonsense. Since his freshman year, Tommy Rees has proven to be a truly capable college quarterback. What division 1 backup has more big game experience? Who on this team has shown a better attitude? Immobile, weak armed Tommy Rees will have great success and do just fine behind an offensive line that has his back!
 

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I'm really amazed that some people here seem to think that ND is somehow "in the wrong" for expelling(I guess?) a kid who cheated on a final exam. I guess it is just a sign of the times, or maybe I am getting older than I think; but since when did it become ok to lie, cheat, and steal our way through life? I'm only human, and have made bad decisions many times in my life. But I always knew, when making those decisions, that there could be severe consequences to them. I accepted that those consequences could come to fruition, and I might have to pay a steep price. It's called being accountable. We don't have to be perfect in our lives, but we do need to be accountable. And that includes the starting QB at Notre Dame. This is a big blow to the team, but it's not like we are doomed to see a repeat of 2007, fer Chrissake. The defense is, and always was, going to be strength of this team. We could very well still make a BCS bowl, with this defense. Tommy Rees will most likely become the presumed starter, with Hendrix backing him up. With this defense, we can still win 9 or 10 games.

This is ND doing it right! You got caught cheating? You're out. You're the starting QB? That's nice; you're out. Almost all of us proclaim to be proud of the fact that ND does it "right". This is one of those times when you have to stand behind what you profess to be your morals.

Great post Kmoose. I find it odd how many people were talking about holding EV accountable in his thread but are willing to not hold EG accountable for his actions. If they didn't truely expell him and are basically just making him sit out a semester then I think the punishment probably fits the crime (depending on how bad the cheating was).
 

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I don't think Hendrix is ready. I'm not sure he ever will be. Yes, our sample size with him is small, something like 40 pass attempts, but he is like the kid on Rookie of the Year, but without accuracy. He throws a straight line rocket, but it looks like he's really nervous and his accuracy hasn't been good.

Then again, you could do it exactly like last year. Start Hendrix and go to Tommy if need be. Probably safer than starting Tommy, having an injury (God forbid), then only have Hendrix.

It seems to me that out of the 4 Scholarship QBs from last year Hendrix is the only one with good decision making skills. The other 3 either quit, got suspended or expelled. Hendrix is not going to throw anymore picks than Tommy and has the attributes needed to run Kelly's O.
 
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koonja

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Why? It's not like other greats haven't worn #5.

Why?

Half of this board probably has Manti as their favorite player of all-time, Golson may come back for all we know, and if not there will be another #5 in no time.
 
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koonja

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It seems to me that out of the 4 Scholarship QBs from last year Hendrix is the only one with good decision making skills. The other 3 either quit, got suspended or expelled. Hendrix is not going to throw anymore picks than Tommy and has the attributes needed to run Kelly's O.

Off the field decision making and in-game decision making, specifically for a QB are literally completely different.
 

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Why?

Half of this board probably has Manti as their favorite player of all-time, Golson may come back for all we know, and if not there will be another #5 in no time.

Both were good players, but either way you cut it you might get ridiculed.
 

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Hendrix looked really good in that second half against Stanford in 2011. Stanford was a top-5 team that year. Seems like ages ago, but if he gets enough reps, I could see him being very serviceable. He was 3rd string all last year, so who knows how many practice reps he was really getting. Could explain his jitters in games.
 

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Hendrix looked really good in that second half against Stanford in 2011. Stanford was a top-5 team that year. Seems like ages ago, but if he gets enough reps, I could see him being very serviceable. He was 3rd string all last year, so who knows how many practice reps he was really getting. Could explain his jitters in games.

At points. He made some truly great throws, but he was only 11 of 24 passing.
 

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At points. He made some truly great throws, but he was only 11 of 24 passing.

To be fair, at that point we were down and it was pretty obvious we were going to die by the pass if we were going to lose in that second half.
 

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Maybe we can run the leprecat as our primary formation..............
 

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Hendrix also looks stiff and confused in games. I think he is over thinking things. maybe playing time could change that, but who knows.
 

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Just saw this on sports center 2013 has been one of the worst years ever and the season hasn't started yet. Humiliated in the championship, lose two 5 star athletes, the manti bullshit, and now this. Is it ok for me to be a Debbie downer about the season at this point? Like it was said earlier Tommy was capable but he doesn't have Floyd or Eifert anymore so I dunno how he can do either way I can officially say I'm not pumped up for this season anymore I just hope we go to a bowl.
 

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This may be dramatic but these kinds of incidents should force some big-picture reflections. I think the very real, big picture question this morning is whether the current model that BK has implemented can work. We were very close to "elite", powerhouse status at the start of the offseason. The team will still be good this year, but I don't think it would be too strong to say that the foundations of the program have been weakened considerably this offseason. Every individual incident (from BK flirting with the Eagles to the transfers to Vanderdoes to Golson) can be explained away, but there are too many of them to suggest that they are the product of individual flaws instead of something "structural."

If there is a structural problem, one side has to give. Either BK has to alter his model or the university has to alter its model. Right now the program is in a state of disequilibrium that will continue to generate friction until the structural problem is resolved and a new working model emerges. I don't know what that working model will look like, but the program will continue in a fragile state until it's resolved.

I follow your logic...there is a divide of sorts. I'm not sure its as adversarial as we might think. If anyone thought you could burn a rope, get caught, and not have severe consequences at ND...well, good luck. If anyone thought academic dishonesty in any form would be accepted, good luck there too. The point of ND is "standards", and upon graduation, it would seem few want for a living, regardless of their athletic prowess...to have that support system, folks gotta know what you are when you come out the other end...Standards on all fronts provide that assurance, and Kelly knew that when he took the gig...I doubt he is completely surprised that some folks have trouble....although the circumstances of some may **** him off.

Now IMHO, this divide seems more pronounced because ND is competing for the elite guys on a regular basis again. I hate to generalize...but those guys tend not to have had alot of accountability foisted upon them to this point in their lives. Kelly needs to keep doing what he's doing...recruit the kids with the grades and the skill, and no obvious character issues...and when some of them run head long into a wall, pick them up, dust them off, and stand next to them when they face the music....don't "dump" them. Stay engaged and make sure they land on their feet, and recruiting will be fine in the long run.
 
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Really don't know... first of all, he withdrew versus getting kicked out. Second, we none of us know the extents of the plagiarism/violation. I had 3 personal friends get caught plagiarizing different things and none had a super harsh punishment. They basically just got 0s for the assignment and probation.

So I don't think it's out of the question for him to reapply. Will he reaccepted? That's a bigger question.

I asked my good friend, a '55 ND graduate, and a teaching professior of Anthropology, how someone could plagerize himself. That was a rumor I heard in that concantany of rash statements that was last night.

His wife, a retired professor had the answer; use the same material for two courses, without the instructors' permission. I remember, I had two classes, one creative writing and one a cultural class where I used the same short story, with an introduction and a conclusion. I got signed notes from both professors. (I could have used another short story or article for the cultural class and have avoided the whole thing). So they have always been careful about these things. Hell, we just started turning in our papers on skins when I graduated, before that it was stone tablets . . .
 

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Way too many people are giving up on this season already. We still return a Top 10 Defense, and you know the run game will be strong again. With Rees two years ago, we only lost to Michigan (terrible secondary), USC (they were a top 10 team that year) and Stanford (who was also a top 10 team). I'm not putting that USF loss on Rees. Our defense is way, way, way better since then.

Who is a threat to beat us? Michigan? They're breaking in a new QB, and it will be another close game like last year. Rees owned them two years ago. Michigan State? We have beaten them 51-16 the last two years, plus its at home. Oklahoma will be tough, but they have a new QB and their D is terrible, plus its at home. USC? This should be the worst USC team in years and its a night home game. Stanford will be very tough to end the year, but Rees (or whoever is at QB will be seasoned by then).

We went 8-5 two years ago with Rees and an average defense. Rees is much, much improved since then, and he should be getting pushed well by Hendrix and Zaire. I'm not expecting 12-0, but there is no reason why we can't win 10 games. LSU has done more with less at QB in the past couple years.
 

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Irish fan is the voice of reason about sticking with the program as a winner..........


The gods are truly crazy...
 
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Way too many people are giving up on this season already. We still return a Top 10 Defense, and you know the run game will be strong again. With Rees two years ago, we only lost to Michigan (terrible secondary), USC (they were a top 10 team that year) and Stanford (who was also a top 10 team). I'm not putting that USF loss on Rees. Our defense is way, way, way better since then.

Who is a threat to beat us? Michigan? They're breaking in a new QB, and it will be another close game like last year. Rees owned them two years ago. Michigan State? We have beaten them 51-16 the last two years, plus its at home. Oklahoma will be tough, but they have a new QB and their D is terrible, plus its at home. USC? This should be the worse USC team in years and its a night home game. Stanford will be very tough to end the year, but Rees (or whoever is at QB will be seasoned by then).

We went 8-5 two years ago with Rees and an average defense. Rees is much, much improved since then, and he should be getting pushed well by Hendrix and Zaire. I'm not expecting 12-0, but there is no reason why we can't win 10 games. LSU has done more with less at QB in the past couple years.

Part of the uncertainty, at least from me, stems from the fact that there's no Eifert or Floyd to bail Tommy out this time. Furthermore, there's a huge question mark at RB, and we might even be without our best WR, Daniels. This is not the offense from two years ago that Tommy had.
 

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I appreciate all the optimism here. Helps my spirits. I have refrained from posting after finding out the news last night. Again, the optimism is appreciated.

But I am now mentally, emotionally, and spiritually preparing myself for an 8-4 season.
 

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Way too many people are giving up on this season already. We still return a Top 10 Defense, and you know the run game will be strong again. With Rees two years ago, we only lost to Michigan (terrible secondary), USC (they were a top 10 team that year) and Stanford (who was also a top 10 team). I'm not putting that USF loss on Rees. Our defense is way, way, way better since then.

Who is a threat to beat us? Michigan? They're breaking in a new QB, and it will be another close game like last year. Rees owned them two years ago. Michigan State? We have beaten them 51-16 the last two years, plus its at home. Oklahoma will be tough, but they have a new QB and their D is terrible, plus its at home. USC? This should be the worst USC team in years and its a night home game. Stanford will be very tough to end the year, but Rees (or whoever is at QB will be seasoned by then).

We went 8-5 two years ago with Rees and an average defense. Rees is much, much improved since then, and he should be getting pushed well by Hendrix and Zaire. I'm not expecting 12-0, but there is no reason why we can't win 10 games. LSU has done more with less at QB in the past couple years.
Wish I could drink that Koop aid bro but I can't I just can't we don't have as good of a team as in years past to make up for the qbs shortcomings at best we go 8-5 imo
 
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