Anyone Watching "Walking Dead" on AMC?

[irishpat183]

Carl is turning in to a mini Shane...

Which is awesome.


I loved Shane's character. Mixed it up.


But Carl, to me, is annoying just as Andrea was.

I hope Carl becomes a zombie and eats Rick.

 

[goldandblue]

Which is awesome.


I loved Shane's character. Mixed it up.


But Carl, to me, is annoying just as Andrea was.

I hope Carl becomes a zombie and eats Rick.

LMAO. would be a hell of alot more interesting than the current writing.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Originally Posted by Walter White
It would have been a really boring battle had they actually decided to fight. What was presented was very realistic given the inexperience of the town people.

They successfully lured the Woodberry force into the Tombs, nailed them with flash bangs, and then set some Walkers on them. Why not just kill them all? If there was a conscious decision not to kill anyone, why?

Originally Posted by leppycole
really never understood why Rick did not secure the rear of the prison where Tyrees came in originally - Gov really could have snuck in anytime

That's always bothered me. They made virtually no effort to secure the prison against attack, even though they knew it was coming for most of Season 3. Either leave, or prepare to defend yourself.

I figure, for once Rick used superior stragegy. The whole defense did two things: kept most of his party out of the line of fire, therefore safe; did not waste any amunition. The Woodburyites blew of tons of amunition, Rick's group hardy expended any. This is something you don't get in war movies and video games. Ammunition is heavy!

Don't believe me, a bananna clip is thirty rounds; blow off ten of them. Carry around three hundred or a thousand rounds for a while.

And as far as securing the prison, around the time when they found that prisoner luring the walkers in and setting off the alarms, Rick made some comment about how that would be a lost cause utill he cleared the prision, which he didn't have the manpower or ammo to do.

 

[IrishinTN]

Carl is turning in to a mini Shane...

Are we sure Carl isn't Shane's kid? I mean, Lori did have some history here...

I figure, for once Rick used superior stragegy. The whole defense did two things: kept most of his party out of the line of fire, therefore safe; did not waste any amunition. The Woodburyites blew of tons of amunition, Rick's group hardy expended any.

Plus they got the yard cleared without having to fire a shot and now they have that shiny, yellow bus to use as a gate.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I would be picking up that M1, too!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I figure, for once Rick used superior stragegy. The whole defense did two things: kept most of his party out of the line of fire, therefore safe; did not waste any amunition. The Woodburyites blew of tons of amunition, Rick's group hardy expended any. This is something you don't get in war movies and video games. Ammunition is heavy!

Seems like a stretch to suggest that relative ammunition supplies are important enough to vindicate that "strategy". The writers have never implied anything to that effect, at least not since Rick's group restocked during "Clear".

My earlier point was simply that, having executed such an effective ambush, Rick's group could have easily wiped out the Woodberry force entirely if they had chosen to. They might have taken some casualties, but at least the threat would have been permanently removed. If they consciously chose to not kill anyone, the justification should have articulated via some dialogue.

And now the Governor and his two lieutenants are at large, virtually guaranteeing that they'll return to torment the group, and likely killing some major cast members. That doesn't strike me as a winning strategy. As Carl pointed out at the end, Rick doesn't seem to have learned anything from his previous mistakes.

And regarding Carl, I felt like he was justified in shooting the Woodberry soldier. They repeatedly told him to drop his weapon, to which he responded by slowly inching toward Carl in an attempt to hand it to him. In Hollywood, at least, such behavior almost always indicates an intent to attack once in melee range.

And as far as securing the prison, around the time when they found that prisoner luring the walkers in and setting off the alarms, Rick made some comment about how that would be a lost cause utill he cleared the prision, which he didn't have the manpower or ammo to do.

And that's fine. So maybe they can't secure the entire prison. But they knew a heavily armed force of ~35 men would be attacking, and aside from laying out some barbed wire, we saw virtually no effort to prepare for the battle. Maybe the writers wanted to keep us guessing as to whether they were running or fighting, but it kept bothering me over the last several episodes.

Plus they got the yard cleared without having to fire a shot and now they have that shiny, yellow bus to use as a gate.

Another thing that's bothered me. How hard would that really have been? Seems like a chained link fence is the ultimate zombie control device; just (1) make some noise; (2) wait for them to shamble up to the fence; and (3) calmly use whatever melee weapon is on hand to stab them each in the face. They could have cleared the yard any time they wanted.

 

[koonja]

Haven't seen an episode but I'm interested in considering this show after I finish 'Lost'. Just wanted to let you guys know that your discussions on this show are hilarious.

 

[Irish4Life09]

*Spoilers*

My favorite part last night was right before the Governor just destroyed all of his own people, the one chick who voices her opposition says, "That was a slaughter!!!!"

There was not a single person from Woodbury touched, let alone killed at the prison. Did Glen Mazarra have a 3rd grade education when it comes to writing dialogue?!?!?

 

[Walter White]

They successfully lured the Woodberry force into the Tombs, nailed them with flash bangs, and then set some Walkers on them. Why not just kill them all? If there was a conscious decision not to kill anyone, why?

I think they were purposefully not shooting anyone on the raid. I would hope that Glenn and Maggie were not that bad of shots. It looked like they were just spraying the dirt.

That's always bothered me. They made virtually no effort to secure the prison against attack, even though they knew it was coming for most of Season 3. Either leave, or prepare to defend yourself.

They did put down those spike strips which kept them in the yard but plenty more could have been done. I agree.

 

[IrishinTN]

Another thing that's bothered me. How hard would that really have been? Seems like a chained link fence is the ultimate zombie control device; just (1) make some noise; (2) wait for them to shamble up to the fence; and (3) calmly use whatever melee weapon is on hand to stab them each in the face. They could have cleared the yard any time they wanted.

This bothered me, too, but I thought maybe it was because they'd have to do it every day with the gate busted. Kill a bunch and then the noise you make brings in a bunch more.

 

[johnnykillz]

This bothered me, too, but I thought maybe it was because they'd have to do it every day with the gate busted. Kill a bunch and then the noise you make brings in a bunch more.

The zombies in the yard were great defense for potential snipers and assassins.

However they could have offered a double-edged-sword problem, should a perimeter femce be breached.

I would have left the zombies as well. That, or cleared off another 100 yards of forest and killed them all. Sniper guard then.

Why does no one have night vision goggles and a few batteries? Geez.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

We are hilarious, aren't we? Just like when we were little kids with Matchboxes on the sandpile!

 

[phork]

The did sabotage the yard. The put spikes in the ground and few of the vehicles got punked.

My whole deal is the bastardization of the comic. Don't know how they are going to get around some of the characters missing or the characters supposed to be missing. Confusing.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The did sabotage the yard. The put spikes in the ground and few of the vehicles got punked.

My whole deal is the bastardization of the comic. Don't know how they are going to get around some of the characters missing or the characters supposed to be missing. Confusing.

You seem to know much more about the production aspects of the show than I, but it's pretty obvious that they're not worried about keeping with the comics. And it makes sense, since the comic plot is far too bleak for such a popular show.

 

[Buster Bluth]

The finale did suck. All those filler episodes for the big battle which turned into nothing. Show is going to **** quickly...

The first season was OUTSTANDING. Then, they fired Frank Darabont (ya know... the guy who made this series a hit and directed a little-known flick called The Shawshank Redemption) and they slashed the per-episode budget while the show got more and more popular. Huge profits for AMC.

This show has turned into a mediocre drama fit for ABC. Thank god that Mad Men and Breaking Bad aren't owned by AMC like The Walking Dead is. The show sucks now.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

And regarding Carl, I felt like he was justified in shooting the Woodberry soldier. They repeatedly told him to drop his weapon, to which he responded by slowly inching toward Carl in an attempt to hand it to him. In Hollywood, at least, such behavior almost always indicates an intent to attack once in melee range.

I was thinking along these very lines as I watched Carl's side arm and suppressor tremble as he encroached. I've had some force protection training Carl hasn't, but aside from issuing some stern vocal warnings, as he steps forward that closely, I'd have shot the person too. Maybe not in the head/center mast, but point is well served.

And that's fine. So maybe they can't secure the entire prison. But they knew a heavily armed force of ~35 men would be attacking, and aside from laying out some barbed wire, we saw virtually no effort to prepare for the battle.

Ammunition is heavy. But when you're laying in wait, set to ambush an armed party in a choke point with flash bangs, they could have mowed everyone down, albeit with some probable casualties.

Another thing that's bothered me. How hard would that really have been? Seems like a chained link fence is the ultimate zombie control device; just (1) make some noise; (2) wait for them to shamble up to the fence; and (3) calmly use whatever melee weapon is on hand to stab them each in the face. They could have cleared the yard any time they wanted.

I can see how it is useful to have zombies as a sort of buffer for incursion. Especially with multiple inner/outer fence layers (as you find in a prison). But the ease with which you can round up the zombies and kill them with a number two pencil means that they should have been able to clear the prison with ease and fortify their defensive posturing. Simply aggravating.

 

[Grahambo]

Well now, just finished the finale and damn what a let down.

First: As important as Angela was to the series, you couldn't have at least shown her getting bitten by Milton. I mean, damn, come on. And Daryl for that matter; you couldn't have given him a more important role in that finale? His brother gets killed in the previous episode and you essentially render him useless.

Second: The attack on the prison was WEAK! The episode is 42 minutes or whatever so I can understand them not getting so much into detail but damn was it pathetic. Did Rick even shoot at anybody at the prison? Would have been better if some were sniped by him from the woods.

Third: The massacre was a cop out by the writers. You seriously couldn't have killed some of them off at the prison since they were all dead anyway?

Fourth: After Martinez and the black guy saw the massacre and do nothing is also dumb. I see that and the Governor is dead by me because he is now killing his own people and I certainly don't feel safe.

Fifth: They are turning Carl into some monster but he's like 12 years old. That doesn't work for me. However, I will defend him and say that I tell someone to drop their weapon and they start inching toward me trying to hand it to me, in that type of scenario, yeah, I can see Carl not taking chances.

Sixth: AMC dropped the ball by not allowing this to be a 2-hour season finale and ending The Governor's story line. It's played out.

I'll still watch the upcoming season but damn was that a let down.

 

[rikkitikki08]

I was thinking along these very lines as I watched Carl's side arm and suppressor tremble as he encroached. I've had some force protection training Carl hasn't, but aside from issuing some stern vocal warnings, as he steps forward that closely, I'd have shot the person too. Maybe not in the head/center mast, but point is well served.



Ammunition is heavy. But when you're laying in wait, set to ambush an armed party in a choke point with flash bangs, they could have mowed everyone down, albeit with some probable casualties.



I can see how it is useful to have zombies as a sort of buffer for incursion. Especially with multiple inner/outer fence layers (as you find in a prison). But the ease with which you can round up the zombies and kill them with a number two pencil means that they should have been able to clear the prison with ease and fortify their defensive posturing. Simply aggravating.

When the hell did we update the Golson/Upton Signature? I need the new updated one

 

[rikkitikki08]

Yeah that season finale sucked but hey the blonde chick died....aka the worst character in tv show history

 

[phork]

You seem to know much more about the production aspects of the show than I, but it's pretty obvious that they're not worried about keeping with the comics. And it makes sense, since the comic plot is far too bleak for such a popular show.

No, I saw the scene in the show where it showed the tires running aground on some spikes.

As far as not sticking with the comics, I mean what would have happened had Private Ryan died?

 

[JadeBrecks]

Did anyone else feel absolutely nothing over her death?

Glad to see her go. Wish they hadn't tried to draw it out like we should care about her though. I also wished for a bit better of a cliff hanger ending. I also don't think what went down by the Governor could have happened without at least one person shooting him.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Did anyone else feel absolutely nothing over her death?

Glad to see her go. Wish they hadn't tried to draw it out like we should care about her though. I also wished for a bit better of a cliff hanger ending. I also don't think what went down by the Governor could have happened without at least one person shooting him.

Agreed. Mazzara's presentation of Andrea's death as an emotional and significant plot development neatly encapsulated everything that he's done wrong with the series. Did he simply forget that he'd spent the last two seasons making her one of the most obnoxious and irrational characters on the show? How could he think anyone would be sad to see her go? Or that her death would be enough to carry the season finale?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Agreed. Mazzara's presentation of Andrea's death as an emotional and significant plot development neatly encapsulated everything that he's done wrong with the series. Did he simply forget that he'd spent the last two seasons making her one of the most obnoxious and irrational characters on the show? How could he think anyone would be sad to see her go? Or that her death would be enough to carry the season finale?

Exactly!

Hey, Whiskey. My point earlier is that Rick has become a ammo whore, since he almost ran out before his last run back to town. It makes sense that he didn't set things up to waste any. At the end of the battle, I figured that they were trying to be realistic about gunfire, instead of the usual Hollywood deadeye bullshiit.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Am I the only one who would like to see the crew attempt to begin reestablishing some civilization? I hope they fast-forward a year or 18 months and we've seen them clear out the prison entirely, get some crops going, whatever, and then the next plot twist.

I just felt like Darabont's first season had them struggle to live their lives, whereas now it's just a pathetic ABC-style drama. The characters are taking turns going from worried but collected to horribly ignorant in the process of an episode. It's silly.

Thank God Game of Thrones is here.

 

[tadman95]

'Walking Dead' finale bests 'Game of Thrones' premiere - The Clicker

 

[Buster Bluth]

That's to be expected. HBO only has like ~28mil subscribers.

Game of Thrones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Walking Dead

 

[magogian]

Yeah that season finale sucked but hey the blonde chick died....aka the worst character in tv show history

Second worst. Jack Bauer's daughter is the worst.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That's to be expected. HBO only has like ~28mil subscribers.

Game of Thrones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Walking Dead

And they stupidly don't make HBOGo available for everyone. I want to give them my money but I can't.

 

[Buster Bluth]

HBO Go Considered For Non-Cable Subscribers: Report - Deadline.com

Give it time. Cable will crumble, they aren't stupid.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Im shocked that people are trying to compare GoT and the walking dead. I like the walking dead but i can name a few shows that are much better.

1. Breaking bad ( best show ever)
2. Board walk empire
3. The killing
4. Game of Thrones