'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

[stlnd01]

Very likely there will something said about it this coming week. BK will meet with the media the day before practice starts. I'd be shocked if the first question asked isn't about Gunner's status. We'll know reasonably soon whether or not he is practicing.

Right. The understanding I got from reading various writings was, cleaned-out locker or no, Kiel was taking Spring Break to "think about it." Spring break ends Monday. So either this clarifies itself by the start of Spring Practice on Wednesday, or Kiel's part of Spring Practice and we wait to see what happens after that.

 

[dyrtdogg]

1. People hate Clausen, but on the field I'd take him all day long.

2. You can credit Lester for knowing something if you want to, but he is a moron who was making a juvenile knee-jerk reaction. I give him no credit for prescience.

3. Would have liked to seen Gunner stay and compete, but if he goes, best of luck to him.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Shockingly I didn't know that we got along. Must be one of your fantasies.

No, but as you have hacked and spouted, I must be attracted to the illogic, as (you clearly stated) I am obviously allergic to the alternative.

You know I would take Clausen all day long. In fact, I wish as bad as he probably does that he stayed for Kelly's first year. Seriously, where would Kelly be if Clausen, Tate, and Rudolph had stayed, and Matt James had not gone to Fla that year? Those four changes could have made Kellys changes miraculous in the first two years.

Back to Gunner. Here is the question: Did he see something that made him want to leave, or not? And if so what was it? Was it Golson followed by Malik? That as an Irish fan is the $64,000 question.

 

[ThePiombino]

No, but as you have hacked and spouted, I must be attracted to the illogic, as (you clearly stated) I am obviously allergic to the alternative.

You know I would take Clausen all day long. In fact, I wish as bad as he probably does that he stayed for Kelly's first year. Seriously, where would Kelly be if Clausen, Tate, and Rudolph had stayed, and Matt James had not gone to Fla that year? Those four changes could have made Kellys changes miraculous in the first two years.

Back to Gunner. Here is the question: Did he see something that made him want to leave, or not? And if so what was it? Was it Golson followed by Malik? That as an Irish fan is the $64,000 question.

If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. Can't play the shoulda woulda coulda game. Those guys were motivated by the NFL money - that was a priority (not that it shouldn't be), but I think we can all agree that it is not as big of a priority with Kelly's guys. Hell, even Floyd and Te'o stayed for their 4th years when they didn't have to. I believe that says something about the attitude and concept of team that Kelly has instilled.

 

[PANDFAN]

LOL...nice response. Is this the 'civil, non-personal-attack' discourse you've been preaching about? I guess this is the way it will always be with you, sadly. Oh well.

(Oh, and I met one of Clausen's former teammates this past summer, and he was the one who was bragging about Jimmy and told me much of what I wrote. But hey, why bring in reason and facts with this, right?)

just add him to ignore list..it's what i have done...

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

So when is his decision going to be finalized?

 

[Irish#1]

We had much to celebrate last year, but we were lucky a lot and not always dominating when we should have been. How someone of his supposed caliber would walk away thinking he doesn't have a chance seems odd to me. He would definitely need self confidence to win the starting job and that seems to be missing possibly. JMHO.

JMHO, but I suspect he felt pretty strong that EG wasn't going to get unseated. BK may make it an open competition annually, but I have to believe that it is EG's to lose and the only way any backup will unseat EG would be with a performance in spring that nobody could see coming (75%+ comp, AYPC 20yds+ and an outstanding TD to pass ratio).

 

[Bogtrotter07]

JMHO, but I suspect he felt pretty strong that EG wasn't going to get unseated. BK may make it an open competition annually, but I have to believe that it is EG's to lose and the only way any backup will unseat EG would be with a performance in spring that nobody could see coming (75%+ comp, AYPC 20yds+ and an outstanding TD to pass ratio).

Someone mentioned it earlier, but I wonder if it was that in conjunction with Malik Zaire; he came in with a killer championship attitude from everything I have heard, with more skills than expected. Wonder if Golson is part one, and Malik is part two.

Didn't this thing just get bad in the last couple weeks? How does that work on the timeline?

 

[BobD]

JMHO, but I suspect he felt pretty strong that EG wasn't going to get unseated. BK may make it an open competition annually, but I have to believe that it is EG's to lose and the only way any backup will unseat EG would be with a performance in spring that nobody could see coming (75%+ comp, AYPC 20yds+ and an outstanding TD to pass ratio).

I agree. I just feel that real champions and winners don't lack confidence or pack up and leave. They march onto the field and take what they want. EG is real good, but definitely beatable and far from perfect.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Jimmy was, and is, a douchebag. I offer no apologies for this opinion, none at all......

 

[Bogtrotter07]

If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. Can't play the shoulda woulda coulda game. Those guys were motivated by the NFL money - that was a priority (not that it shouldn't be), but I think we can all agree that it is not as big of a priority with Kelly's guys. Hell, even Floyd and Te'o stayed for their 4th years when they didn't have to. I believe that says something about the attitude and concept of team that Kelly has instilled.

Really brilliant observartion!


(But I always thought my aunt did have balls, must have been the Irish!)

 

[koonja]

If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle. Can't play the shoulda woulda coulda game. Those guys were motivated by the NFL money - that was a priority (not that it shouldn't be), but I think we can all agree that it is not as big of a priority with Kelly's guys. Hell, even Floyd and Te'o stayed for their 4th years when they didn't have to. I believe that says something about the attitude and concept of team that Kelly has instilled.

Piombino, it's hard for a QB coming off of a heisman type year to return for a senior year to learn a totally new offense with a new head coach. It would have been a big gamble for Clausen to come back for a senior year. IMO, he made the right choice. He struck while the iron was as hot as it was going to get for him.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

i thought this article was a nice inside viewpoint. never would've thought sharpley was that close to taking off--probably because i never thought about because i wouldnt have cared at that time.

Notre Dame football: Dissecting epidemic of QB transferitis - southbendtribune.com

 

[Emcee77]

i thought this article was a nice inside viewpoint. never would've thought sharpley was that close to taking off--probably because i never thought about because i wouldnt have cared at that time.

Notre Dame football: Dissecting epidemic of QB transferitis - southbendtribune.com

Interesting stuff from Sharpley. I've been thinking about him a lot with all this uncertainty around Gunner because we may need someone to do for us in 2014 what Sharpley did for us in 2009 (if I'm recalling the year correctly).

IIRC, in 2009 Sharpley, a guy who had competed to be our starter in 2007 but had been basically a backup since then, stuck around for his 5th year basically to run the scout team. Clausen was the starter as a junior and Crist was the backup and heir apparent as a redshirt frosh. Sharpley was routinely scout team player of the week and, once Dayne hurt his knee, Sharpley became the primary backup for Clausen.

If Gunner leaves, I'm worried about QB depth in 2014. It could be just Golson and Malik at QB that year (and maybe an incoming frosh). It would be FANTASTIC if Hendrix or even Luke Massa stuck around to run the scout team and add depth as a backup, just like Sharpley did in 2009.

I'll be really surprised if Hendrix actually stays through 2014; a guy as talented as he is will probably be able to transfer somewhere attractive for his 5th year (and, before someone asks, I do think he might put off med school ... lots of people don't go straight from undergrad to med school ... between my wife's friends and my school friends I know a ton of doctors and I bet half of them, maybe more, didn't go to med school right out of college. Hendrix will play his 5th year somewhere, but probably not ND). But I could see Massa moving back to QB and being a Sharpley for his 5th year. He seems like a true anything-for-the-team ND guy.

 

[Cackalacky]

I think he means us people....

 

[bolt_Speedman]

I don't know if it was already mentioned but wasn't rashad kinlaw a qb in high school. He might be able to add some depth at the position if necessary.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I don't know if it was already mentioned but wasn't rashad kinlaw a qb in high school. He might be able to add some depth at the position if necessary.

So was Davaris...

I think rashad was a case of the most athletic player needed to win games. So he needed the ball.

 

[Cackalacky]

If Gunner leaves, I'm worried about QB depth in 2014. It could be just Golson and Malik at QB that year (and maybe an incoming frosh). It would be FANTASTIC if Hendrix or even Luke Massa stuck around to run the scout team and add depth as a backup, just like Sharpley did in 2009.

I'll be really surprised if Hendrix actually stays through 2014; a guy as talented as he is will probably be able to transfer somewhere attractive for his 5th year (and, before someone asks, I do think he might put off med school ... lots of people don't go straight from undergrad to med school ... between my wife's friends and my school friends I know a ton of doctors and I bet half of them, maybe more, didn't go to med school right out of college. Hendrix will play his 5th year somewhere, but probably not ND).

You mean 2014-2015, correct? We still have Rees and Hendrix this year. How many QBs are we looking at this year?

 

[Emcee77]

You mean 2014-2015, correct? We still have Rees and Hendrix this year. How many QBs are we looking at this year?

Right, I mean not this fall but the next fall. We are fine at QB this fall.

There is only one QB offer out right now, to Brandon Dawkins, but there will likely be more if Gunner follows through with plans to leave. With Gunner, we may not take a QB in the 2014 class; without him, we must take at least one.

 

[FrankMA]

Right, I mean not this fall but the next fall. We are fine at QB this fall.

There is only one QB offer out right now, to Brandon Dawkins, but there will likely be more if Gunner follows through with plans to leave. With Gunner, we may not take a QB in the 2014 class; without him, we must take at least one.

We should take one anyway. If he does not leave this year-he may leave next year. if he knows he will stay 2nd or even 3rd on the depth chart. If he somehow becomes the started-others will leave.

 

[IrishLion]

We should take one anyway. If he does not leave this year-he may leave next year. if he knows he will stay 2nd or even 3rd on the depth chart. If he somehow becomes the started-others will leave.

If Gunner stays, I don't think there's a problem. I believe Zaire would stay until he gets a shot, even if it's his 5th year. I think it's pretty obvious that Gunner came in thinking it was a given that he would unseat Golson/Rees/Hendrix. Zaire may believe the same, but he also committed knowing that Golson has three years and that Gunner was at ND as well. Gunner's recruitment was odd, and showed potential warning signs. Everything from Zaire seems solid. Maybe Golson would explore his options, but I think he would see what Gunner doesn't: If Gunner starts, Golson knows he's one snap from seeing the field.

 

[Grahambo]

Every year you should take at least 1 QB. My view on it anyway.

 

[Cackalacky]

For the record, there is one QB at ND training on his spring break to be a better athlete. I like this. I like this a lot. Reps Malik.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Interesting stuff from Sharpley. I've been thinking about him a lot with all this uncertainty around Gunner because we may need someone to do for us in 2014 what Sharpley did for us in 2009 (if I'm recalling the year correctly).

IIRC, in 2009 Sharpley, a guy who had competed to be our starter in 2007 but had been basically a backup since then, stuck around for his 5th year basically to run the scout team. Clausen was the starter as a junior and Crist was the backup and heir apparent as a redshirt frosh. Sharpley was routinely scout team player of the week and, once Dayne hurt his knee, Sharpley became the primary backup for Clausen.

If Gunner leaves, I'm worried about QB depth in 2014. It could be just Golson and Malik at QB that year (and maybe an incoming frosh). It would be FANTASTIC if Hendrix or even Luke Massa stuck around to run the scout team and add depth as a backup, just like Sharpley did in 2009.

I'll be really surprised if Hendrix actually stays through 2014; a guy as talented as he is will probably be able to transfer somewhere attractive for his 5th year (and, before someone asks, I do think he might put off med school ... lots of people don't go straight from undergrad to med school ... between my wife's friends and my school friends I know a ton of doctors and I bet half of them, maybe more, didn't go to med school right out of college. Hendrix will play his 5th year somewhere, but probably not ND). But I could see Massa moving back to QB and being a Sharpley for his 5th year. He seems like a true anything-for-the-team ND guy.

A majority do go straight into med school. Actually, it's approaching 90%.

Medical School Tips for Success - US News and World Report

 

[irishpat183]

He might have been our most dynamic playmaker but that isn't saying much. Manziel, Mariota, Hundley, and Braxton Miller are dynamic playmakers and that is just listing QB's from Golson's own recruiting class.

Exactly. Golson made SOME plays, but wasn't really a "playmaker".

 

[Emcee77]

A majority do go straight into med school. Actually, it's approaching 90%.

Medical School Tips for Success - US News and World Report

Well, I'm not sure that it said that. The direct quote is confusing:

"About 90 percent of medical school applicants apply during their junior year of college and start medical school right after college."

I definitely buy that 90 percent of medical school applicants apply while still in college and INTEND to start medical school right after graduation. But medical school is extremely selective, and the vast majority of applicants aren't admitted. If you take that quote at face value, it says that 90% of med school applicants are admitted, and there is no way that's accurate.

I said that half of the doctors I know did not go straight to med school out of undergrad and I'm sticking to that. We are talking about a limited sample size, obviously, but fairly large, definitely more than 100. My wife is a doctor, and I asked her about how many in her med school class had come to med school straight out of college, and she estimated no more than half. So either we know a very atypical bunch of doctors or that article is a bit misleading.

 

[tadman95]

Do we know for sure that this is just a football issue? Are there others issues, or is it just possible he doesn't like it there?

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Well, I'm not sure that it said that. The direct quote is confusing:

"About 90 percent of medical school applicants apply during their junior year of college and start medical school right after college."

I definitely buy that 90 percent of medical school applicants apply while still in college and INTEND to start medical school right after graduation. But medical school is extremely selective, and the vast majority of applicants aren't admitted. If you take that quote at face value, it says that 90% of med school applicants are admitted, and there is no way that's accurate. I believe it's below 5%.

I said that half of the doctors I know did not go straight to med school out of undergrad and I'm sticking to that. We are talking about a limited sample size, obviously, but fairly large, definitely more than 100. My wife is a doctor, and I asked her about how many in her med school class had come to med school straight out of college, and she estimated no more than half. So either we know a very atypical bunch of doctors or that article is a bit misleading.

I mean even if you knew 100 doctors the sample size would still be extremely small.

The statement said "and." "About 90 percent of medical school applicants apply during their junior year of college AND start medical school right after college." If you take it at face value, it means that 90% do both of these things. It means the people that actually go to med school and are already there started applying early and went straight to med school.

Either way, I think most people take the MCAT and go straight to school, or intend to. And almost all MCAT scores are only good for 2-3 years. I agree with you that depth will be a worry next year, and we should start thinking about it now. But not because Hendrix is going to put off med-school because most people do.

 

[LoveThee]

I keep clicking in this thread hoping to hear where he will transfer to or if he is staying, but it seems like we just keep beating a dead horse. Lets just let this thread slip away for a while until some news happens.. please

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Didn't see this posted:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>For those of you that were curious, Gunner Kiel is still finishing out the semester here -- he's in class today.</p>— Tyler Moorehead (@TMoorehead627) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMoorehead627/status/313677778417508352">March 18, 2013</a></blockquote>
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