'12 IN QB Gunner Kiel (Cincinnati Transfer)

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My understanding was that Gunner didn't want to play this spring because he has already made up his mind that he doesn't want to be at ND and he wants to have time to visit other schools so he can enroll somewhere else as soon as possible.

But I still agree with most of you guys ... why is it such a big deal to get into the new school by summer instead of by fall? It's not like Gunner will miss any practices with the new team, and it's not like he can play there this season anyway. Coach Kelly has already told Rees that he is going to get fewer reps so Gunner can get more. Go through the spring, show what you can do, and if you still feel like you aren't going to get a shot at ND, then transfer, and only then. That's how I'd do it.

It really looks like Gunner doesn't have his head on straight on this. Before, when people said he was afraid of competition, I thought they were unfairly leaping to conclusions. But I agree it seems to be the case now, based on the comments attributed to him in TV.
 
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I would argue that I always attempt (if not do give) to give kids the benefit of the doubt. We is not me. I do agree that the board does slam kids.
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As do I, but for me the benefit of doubt went out the window when he committed to us the day he was supposed to arrive in Baton Rouge. Call me crazy but my initial response was not elation.
 
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irishpat183 said:
Good riddance Gunner. May you find out that no matter where you go, you must work hard and compete to win a starting job....

I don't mind being critical in this sitution (we do it all the time to kids at other schools). He's another Anzalone. But worse. Gunner has prima-donna written all over him.

I've heard on here, enough to make someone crazy, that "we need guys that WANT to be here"...Well, Gunner doesn't.


BYE.
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We actually agree about something here. I probably would have said it less bluntly lol but my opinions they same.
 
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irishpat183 said:
I tend to just put things bluntly...LOL
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There is a saying in geotechnical engineering....
"Measure it with a micrometer, mark it in chalk, and cut it with an axe"

IMO Whiskey is the micrometer, there are numerous posters that are the chalk, and irishpat is the axe.
 
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I knew Gunner didn't have it in him ever since I saw a TwitPic of him holding a puppy. Just didn't look mean enough.
 
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Originally Posted by Cackalacky
IMO Whiskey is the micrometer, there are numerous posters that are the chalk, and irishpat is the axe.
I'd be cool with that nickname not catching on.
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LOL> I second that.

In geotech, there is so much uncertainty in soil conditions, that site conditions are idealized, then they are field measured and then there is a factor of safety of 3 added at a minimum before anything is constructed. Kind of like recruiting prognostications.
 
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He changed his mind about IU after Wilson came in and pissed off about half the team. My assumption is his brother was in the half that was upset with Wilson and that influenced Gunner to look around.
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And he changed his mind on signing day for who knows what reason, and now he's changing his mind again for who knows what reason.... pattern..... its becoming clearer... wait I almost, got it..... nah lost it. **** it... he gone.
 
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GoldenIsThyFame said:
I don't think Brian Hardin being at BSU has any impact on his decision. Playing time, proximity to home, and friends at BSU would be much greater factors in his decision. Hardin was just the SID at ND, not an assistant coach.
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I'm actually stuck between whether I want him to come here or not. My boss at the Highschool/Junior High I work at has a son (a local product) who is competing for the QB spot. And I've heard great things about him. He was likely going to start once Wenning was gone, but with Gunner, I don't know.
 
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And he changed his mind on signing day for who knows what reason, and now he's changing his mind again for who knows what reason.... pattern..... its becoming clearer... wait I almost, got it..... nah lost it. **** it... he gone.
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He didn't change his mind on signing day. Mental tricks. He enrolled early at ND, instead of enrolling early at LSU.
 
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No, not really. He didn't even get as far as signing day.
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True he was an early enroll. but he was supposed to early enroll in LSU and never showed up. Either way, the kids wishy wash behavior did not endear him to me.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
No, not really. He didn't even get as far as signing day.
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Yes really. It's relative to his deadline. Yes, it was a month before NSD, but that doesn't matter- his deadline was relative to being an EE. It was most definitely an 11th hour decision.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
The one thing that never gets talked about in these threads is mojo.

Seriously, if you look at it, past the tangible, physical talents a young QB brings, there are some important intangibles, that always add the letters required to spell the difference between potential, and actual.

Unlike any other position, except Manti, (Manti as a defensive captain not a certain position) a quarterback's intangibles totally affect the teams bottom line. Will this guy with all the skills take charge of the offense? The team? Will the teams character shape around him? Will he technically thrive yet come up short on the final play? Will he be a team player and inspire that selflessness in others"

In this digital world, we forget that life is analog. There are an infinite number of frequencies or combinations. A lot of you point to Jimmy Clausen. He could bring that offense back and score like nobody's business; but from everything I ever heard or saw, he was never out for anything more than himself. And that is how Charlie's later teams looked. Every talented man for himself.

With Everett, we have a baller with some unique physical talents. We also have a more selfless player who appears to have a thirst for winning and a humility and selflessness that will inspire teamwork in others.

With Malik Zaire, we have pay-dirt. Skills and selfless leader with amazing maturity. I had a chance to speak briefly with a Marine Officer Recruiter who met with Malik at the Semper Fi Bowl. The whole mother green is drooling over Malik. His character and personality is legend with them. That should tell you all everything.

But with Gunner, a kid with the skills, who fell off in the Elite 11, where Malik thrived the next year, all we have to go on is his actions. Comment can be made, and is deserved. It just doesn't need to be criticism. It can and is best in question form. With everything we know, if we were a player at Notre Dame, would we be comfortable with Gunner leading us or would we prefer someone else?
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Couldnt be farther from the truth on Clausen. If he was all about himself he wouldn't have played a snap after he got hurt, and did plenty off the field to save face for ND. Not his fault the defense couldnt get stops. Floyd could have packed it in that year too, but came back to finish the year.
 
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I can only imagine those that condemn never wavered when they were 18/19 years old. Must be nice to have your life planned out so far in advance without thought of any deviation.
 
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So.. He Gone?


Too bad. I happen to think this is a pretty big blow.

We have a barely 6 ft tall mobile QB that's one hit from putting us in serious depth danger.

How I see that and Gunner doesn't is weird.
 
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Would love if he stays. Was 1 of my biggest wants for that class.
He goes he goes good luck. He stays he stays. Wouldn't be the first back up to win 1st string because of performance on the field.
 
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Fbolt said:
I can only imagine those that condemn never wavered when they were 18/19 years old. Must be nice to have your life planned out so far in advance without thought of any deviation.
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haha yep. I transferred and didn't even have the pressures of football to complicate things.
 
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We had much to celebrate last year, but we were lucky a lot and not always dominating when we should have been. How someone of his supposed caliber would walk away thinking he doesn't have a chance seems odd to me. He would definitely need self confidence to win the starting job and that seems to be missing possibly. JMHO.
 
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TheTurningPOint said:
Couldnt be farther from the truth on Clausen. If he was all about himself he wouldn't have played a snap after he got hurt, and did plenty off the field to save face for ND. Not his fault the defense couldnt get stops. Floyd could have packed it in that year too, but came back to finish the year.
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Jesus. Just saw this too. Ppl love to trash on Clausen. Weis could barely call a play under-center in 09 cause Clausen was too injured to repeatedly drop back.

Guy threw 28 TDs, 4 picks. Completed 68% of passes and threw for 300+ a game on a bad foot.
 
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ThePiombino said:
Yes really. It's relative to his deadline. Yes, it was a month before NSD, but that doesn't matter- his deadline was relative to being an EE. It was most definitely an 11th hour decision.
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Even more to your point, NSD isn't even an end date, it's a beginning date to when the kid can actually sign. He doesn't HAVE to sign that day, most kids just choose to. To EE, you have a firm date and if you miss it you simply can't get into to school because classes have passed their add dates.

But regardless, the pattern is pretty clear.
 
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NDinL.A. said:
Even more to your point, NSD isn't even an end date, it's a beginning date to when the kid can actually sign. He doesn't HAVE to sign that day, most kids just choose to. To EE, you have a firm date and if you miss it you simply can't get into to school because classes have passed their add dates.

But regardless, the pattern is pretty clear.
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^all of this
 
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