Opinions/Discussions on Guns

[Bluto]

Many people shoot at ranges or non-biological targets for fun.

Me and my friends used to blow stuff up using home made explosives. It was pretty fun. Should anyone be able to purchase large amounts of explosives?

 

[GoIrish41]

Me and my friends used to blow stuff up using home made explosives. It was pretty fun. Should anyone be able to purchase large amounts of explosives?

Sure, they have the right to bear arms, right? I want a Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

 

[pkt77242]

Why do you jump the guy who collects guns and not the guy who collects baseball cards, stamps, coins, etc..... We enjoy firearms. We enjoy collecting and shooting them. I currently have roughly 10 firearms. Every one serves a different purpose right now. When i get more than i have a specific purpose for then i will begin collecting "cool" guns that i think would be fun to shoot out fun to own for one reason or another. Anyone who enjoys shooting will have a fun time shooting a lever action rifle. Do i have a specific use for it as a tool? No. It will be a fun gun to shoot and own. I don't see myself any different than a stamp, coin, card or even car (minus the finding required for the last one) collector. I am not automatically a nut case because i own a firearm someone else might not want.

As far as the designed specifically to kill that is the same thing as saying a car is designed only to speed, a bow and arrow or knife are designed only to kill, or is designed only to knock people out to wrong them. Could each of these be used that wary? Yes. It that the only way they can be used? No.

As far as the person saying we have a unhealthy relationship with guns take a look at our background. It wasn't eternity ago (as far as time goes) we were under a tyranic government. And until we fully forget that fact we will hold on to the idea we want to be able to protect ourselves. Also until we can be guaranteed 100% safety all the time another from anyone we will still want to hold on to our guns.

For all those who have never needed a firearm for any reason and couldn't see needing one consider yourself lucky. Trust me i don't wish everyone have a dark ally experience so you understand why guns aren't all bad but don't think I'm a wacko or nut because i have.

P.S.


GoIrish41 click on my signature picture too if you want some more examples.

A gun in a household is much more likely to be used to accidently shoot someone in the house, be used in a suicide or be used in a domestic violence incident than it is to be used to protect the house or the individuals in it.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/

While the study is old (1998) that is because the NRA got congress to remove all funding from the CDC for gun studies after this study and a couple of other negative studies came out. So if you want more up to date numbers blame the NRA.

 

[JadeBrecks]

NRA's Wayne LaPierre says only a good guy w/a gun can stop bad guy w/a gun. I must remind him JFK & Reagan were surrounded by armed pros.

Just because someone is armed doesn't mean you are psychic. The chances of stopping a person before they get a first shot off when they are going into a mass shooting is almost impossible. The big difference is how many more shots they get off before they meet resistance.

You go ahead and remind JFK and Reagan and we can ask the dead sandy hook, virgina tech, and fort hood if they would have liked to have had a firearm or a trained carry permit holder with a gun in their situations. My guess is they wouldn't have minded having an evil "assault weapon" with a corrupting evil "large capacity clip" or even a demonic "semi-AUTO handgun.

 

[JadeBrecks]

A gun in a household is much more likely to be used to accidently shoot someone in the house, be used in a suicide or be used in a domestic violence incident than it is to be used to protect the house or the individuals in it.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/

While the study is old (1998) that is because the NRA got congress to remove all funding from the CDC for gun studies after this study and a couple of other negative studies came out. So if you want more up to date numbers blame the NRA.

I can tell you for certain none of the firearms in my house have been "used to accidently shoot someone in the house, be used in a suicide or be used in a domestic violence incident" and two of them have been used to protect me and my family (see reply #1581).

 

[Cackalacky]

A gun in a household is much more likely to be used to accidently shoot someone in the house, be used in a suicide or be used in a domestic violence incident than it is to be used to protect the house or the individuals in it.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/studies/view/102/

This is true for me anyway in my own personal experience. Just two of the reasons why I may never own a gun.

My best friends younger brother, as a teen, and his knucklehead friend got into the gun cabinet, which was secure, and pulled out a AK with one round loaded with an empty clip). The knucklehead admiring the gun pulled the trigger an blew a whole in my his friend who died instantly. Other instances include domestic violence and family feuds where people died. I also lived in the suburbs, plus I lost two friends to suicides using guns from the parents stash that was "secured".

 

[Cackalacky]

Sure, they have the right to bear arms, right? I want a Tomahawk Cruise Missile.

I agree. It seems like the 2nd Amendment is supposed to guarantee your own personal arms race against the government. I think the government will not allow that to happen.

To me it seems like people think "Red Dawn" is almost around the corner. Can you imagine all the guys on here having to shout "WOLVERINES!"

 

[pumpdog20]

So we may have universal background checks.

The background checks were never that big of an issue for me (pro-gun) anyways. All it really effects is private gun sales, which the seller will pass on the fees to the buyer. Also, this will add even more dollars to the gun shop, as they will be used as a conduit to provide the background check, which they will ultimately charge a fee for. The so-called "Gun Show Loophole", doesn't even pertain to gun shows, because every gun show I've been to, the sale of a firearm always had a background check involved.

 

[JadeBrecks]

The background checks were never that big of an issue for me (pro-gun) anyways. All it really effects is private gun sales, which the seller will pass on the fees to the buyer. Also, this will add even more dollars to the gun shop, as they will be used as a conduit to provide the background check, which they will ultimately charge a fee for. The so-called "Gun Show Loophole", doesn't even pertain to gun shows, because every gun show I've been to, the sale of a firearm always had a background check involved.

The problem with background checks is stated already been stated by the people trying to get them in place. Universal background checks are useless without gun registration. You have no way to prove if one person sold a gun to another without one unless you are physically there at the sale without them. If you impose mandatory gun registration that will be hacked and criminals will know where exactly to go to steal them and the government will know where to go every time they make a certain type of gun illegal. Listen to Feinstein herself she won't stop till they are all illegal.

 

[BobD]

Me and my friends used to blow stuff up using home made explosives. It was pretty fun. Should anyone be able to purchase large amounts of explosives?

This made me laugh. Can you imagine if we didn't have laws governing firework purchases? 4th of July would be the most dreaded and bloody holiday ever.

 

[JadeBrecks]

This made me laugh. Can you imagine if we didn't have laws governing firework purchases? 4th of July would be the most dreaded and bloody holiday ever.

Trust me. With the laws on the books currently you can get more than enough explosives to kill yourself. You can currently legally buy and mix up to 50lbs of exploding rifle targets without an explosives license. And trust me you don't need anywhere near that to kill yourself/someone else.

Not to mention the "out of state" firework sales. Hmm sounds like "gun free" zones.

 

[Cackalacky]

This made me laugh. Can you imagine if we didn't have laws governing firework purchases? 4th of July would be the most dreaded and bloody holiday ever.

Nightime roman candle wars were always fun, but we quickly learned to have them in open fields and not in pine forests.

 

[BobD]

Trust me. With the laws on the books currently you can get more than enough explosives to kill yourself. You can currently legally buy and mix up to 50lbs of exploding rifle targets without an explosives license. And trust me you don't need anywhere near that to kill yourself/someone else.

Not to mention the "out of state" firework sales. Hmm sounds like "gun free" zones.

I'm glad I didn't know this or all of the other laws (or the lack thereof) governing things made to kill. I'm glad to say I spend my time trying to remember( not always successfully) more positive and life enhancing things.

Spend your time cherishing things of destruction if you like, but watch out for Karma my friend.

 

[BGIF]

So we may have universal background checks.

Universal background checks unfortunately don't mean universal approval or denial. it may work in Canada if their Commonwealth writes the laws rather than each province writing their own. As we live in a republic, we have States Rights to deal with per our Constitution.

The definition of what constitutes "mental illness" varies greatly from the state to state. What may be nonissueable in one state could be perfectly fine in another. This is one of the reasons some states do not automatically accept all other states gun permits.

It may come as a surprise but not all mental health advocates want to see a hard line taken on this point. Their advocates like 2nd Amendment advocates, Roe v Wade advocates, or Special Needs people advocates don't want to see any Rights restricted for THEIR class. They do not want national lists "branding" their loved ones as defectives. Like the NRA they are suspect of any legislation

My extended family has been down this road many times meeting with police chiefs, sheriffs, judges, county and state mental health officials, guardians ad litem trying to deal with a mentally ill relative. His degree of illness in this state does not preclude him from owning nor buying a gun. He's bought two that we know of. I removed one and his brother removed another. Two of his sister's do the housekeeping at his residence in part to keep an eye on things. He's never mentioned the missing guns but we made it known to the proper authorities. We were told that while we acted in his AND the public's best interest that he could charge us with theft. Several members of the family involved in the situation are gun owners, male and female. All of us agree this man should not be allowed to process a firearm regardless of length, caliber, magazine capacity, or muzzle velocity. Unfortunately the law doesn't agree.

Universal background checks which I welcome won't change that.

 

[pkt77242]

I can tell you for certain none of the firearms in my house have been "used to accidently shoot someone in the house, be used in a suicide or be used in a domestic violence incident" and two of them have been used to protect me and my family (see reply #1581).

I can't see numbers next to the posts to see which one is yours. So a question before I talk about general thoughts. What type of gun did you use in situations? as most of the stories on that website (I have a friend that links to them all the time on facebook) the person defending their house use a shotgun or a handgun for home defense.

I never stated that a gun in your house had ever been used for any of those, but the study does show that a gun is more likely (22 times more likely) to be used in an accidental shooting, a suicide or domestic violence. Also your story is anecdotal in nature, while the study covers a large group of people and thus is more applicaple to society as a whole.

 

[BGIF]

I can't see numbers next to the posts to see which one is yours. So a question before I talk about general thoughts. What type of gun did you use in situations? as most of the stories on that website (I have a friend that links to them all the time on facebook) the person defending their house use a shotgun or a handgun for home defense.

I never stated that a gun in your house had ever been used for any of those, but the study does show that a gun is more likely (22 times more likely) to be used in an accidental shooting, a suicide or domestic violence. Also your story is anecdotal in nature, while the study covers a large group of people and thus is more applicaple to society as a whole.

Here's the SPECIFIC QUESTION he was responding to in post 1581. N.B. P.M. him for details like he asked!

Originally Posted by GoIrish41

Serious question: Has anybody on here ever had to use their personal gun to defend themselves or their property?

Jade post 1581

I have too. I used it to protect my dog and myself last summer. My dog bark one night (she never barks unless something is wrong) so I grabbed my gun and went outside. Two dogs I had never seen before (one pit one german shepherd) had my dog pinned in her dog house. As soon as I went around the corner of the house to see what was up the pit charged me. I have also used it to keep raccoons and coyotes away when I see them. The second time was to protect myself and wife from people. Luckily I didn't have to draw it. I reached for it and when they saw me put my hand on it they turned around and left. If you need more information PM me I would prefer not to talk about it in here.

 

[Bluto]

I agree. It seems like the 2nd Amendment is supposed to guarantee your own personal arms race against the government. I think the government will not allow that to happen.

To me it seems like people think "Red Dawn" is almost around the corner. Can you imagine all the guys on here having to shout "WOLVERINES!"

Uhhh.... Red Dawn 2: Here Come The Irish? Lol.

 

[JadeBrecks]

I can't see numbers next to the posts to see which one is yours. So a question before I talk about general thoughts. What type of gun did you use in situations? as most of the stories on that website (I have a friend that links to them all the time on facebook) the person defending their house use a shotgun or a handgun for home defense.

I never stated that a gun in your house had ever been used for any of those, but the study does show that a gun is more likely (22 times more likely) to be used in an accidental shooting, a suicide or domestic violence. Also your story is anecdotal in nature, while the study covers a large group of people and thus is more applicaple to society as a whole.

But you lead that it is more likely. I have two stories personally that are the exact opposite. I can find a survey or study to back up just about any position. All you have to do is call the right area and word the questions the right way to get the response you want.

The incident with the dogs I used my 1911 pistol when I went outside and had my wife bring me my shotgun (because it has a mounted light) to make sure they were off my property. The second incident I used a gun that will be made illegal under the new "assault weapons ban". That gun was a Glock 17. That firearm would be made illegal two different ways under the ban. It is a semi-auto firearm that take a detachable magazine over 10 rounds and it is a semi-auto version of a full-auto firearm. So yes this gun ban bull crap would have affected me in one of those situations.

 

[chicago51]

Senate bill to crack down and increased penalties on straw purchasing (people buying guns to sell to criminals) makes it out of committee on a party line vote.

Senate panel backs crackdown on clandestine gun sales

To my friends in Texas that could mean no more selling to those drug cartels.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I can think of 100s of times when people not having guns saved lives.

 

[irishpat183]

I can think of 100s of times when people not having guns saved lives.

Says a Chicago fan...

And I can think of 100s of times when a having saved someone's life

 

[irishpat183]

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This lady......Jesus...

 

[GoIrish41]

Says a Chicago fan...

And I can think of 100s of times when a having saved someone's life

I think the word you missed is pretty key to the point you were trying to make unless "a" is slang for something I don't know about.

 

[irishpat183]

I think the word you missed is pretty key to the point you were trying to make unless "a" is slang for something I don't know about.

LOL!!!

Totally blew that one.

 

[GoIrish41]

LOL!!!

Totally blew that one.

I hate when that happens. lol

 

[chicago51]

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[irishpat183]

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I don't think so. When you allow your child to be educated about the damage a firearm can do through a video game, dont' you think it gives them a ignorance about how dangerous they are in real life?


I mean, funny how hollywood and the music industry claims their mediums "change lives" and their music and movies "do good"...but they deny that it can have a negative effect as well?

How stupid is that.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I don't think so. When you allow your child to be educated about the damage a firearm can do through a video game, dont' you think it gives them a ignorance about how dangerous they are in real life?


I mean, funny how hollywood and the music industry claims their mediums "change lives" and their music and movies "do good"...but they deny that it can have a negative effect as well?

How stupid is that.

For reals. Either your stuff changes behavior or it doesn't.

 

[Bluto]

I don't think so. When you allow your child to be educated about the damage a firearm can do through a video game, dont' you think it gives them a ignorance about how dangerous they are in real life?


I mean, funny how hollywood and the music industry claims their mediums "change lives" and their music and movies "do good"...but they deny that it can have a negative effect as well?

How stupid is that.

Completely agree.

 

[FLDomer]

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