'14 OH ATH Sam Hubbard (Ohio State Verbal)

[STLDomer]

Lacrosse Midfielder | Football Outside Linebacker/Safety & Tight End
Cincinatti Moeller High School | Titanium Elite
Cincinatti, Ohio

Measurables
Height: 6'6
Weight: 225

Stats
2012: 80 Tackles, 7 Tackles for Loss, 2 INTs, 2 FFs
2013:

Rankings
Rivals: NR
247: NR
ESPN: NR
Scout: #18 OLB
247 Composite: NR

Football Offers
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Stanford
Louisville
Boston College
Illinois
Miami (OH)
Ohio

Football Interest
Bowling Green
Cincinatti
Duke
Northwestern
Notre Dame

Notre Dame Recruiter:

Football Highlights

Sam Hubbard - Highlight Videos, Schedule & Roster - Hudl

Lacrosse Highlights

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[STLDomer]

So Sam has started to heat up a little bit recieving some BCS football offers.

Just visited OSU on Tuesday for spring practice and talked to the lacrosse coach and Urban who basically said they would keep in contact

He said before he would consider playing football if their was interest from Notre Dame, OSU, Michigan or Stanford.

EDIT: IrishLax can probably drop some info on his lacrosse abilities, rankings, offers etc.

 

[NDinMich]

6'6" seems real big for a Lax player, right?

 

[irishff1014]

I don't like this. Yes I know we are getting 2 scholarships back but we need. Elite talent.

 

[Irishman77]

Danny mattingly?

 

[IrishLax]

I don't like this. Yes I know we are getting 2 scholarships back but we need. Elite talent.

There is about a 0% chance he gets a football scholarship. He's extremely academics first and I seriously doubt he would consider Ohio State unless they offered him a full scholarship for football.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not really plugged in at all anymore to the day to day of everything lacrosse at ND by virtue of being so many years removed from school that I don't really know any students still on campus. Simply put, Hubbard is an elite lacrosse player and a borderline football athlete. The problem is that thanks to NCAA/Title IX bullshit you basically can't give out full scholarships for lacrosse... whereas for football an offer = full ride. So it's really hard to compete with full rides from any place that will let him play both sports (basically, I'm concerned about Duke and that's about it... maybe Stanford, but they don't have lacrosse).

What pisses me off is that in lacrosse you simply DO NOT have decommitments nor do you have people recruiting committed players. Lacrosse athletes (and really athletes in all sports sans basketball/football) 99/100 times treat a commitment as a commitment and don't even entertain other schools after they make a decision. This is all helped by the fact that coaches in lacrosse aren't slime balls twisting kids arms to get them to their school or filling their heads with BS and you don't have a media circus, boosters, fans, etc. involved.

I'm very hopeful he sticks with his commitment to ND but I don't know anything about what is truly going through his head and how much he will continue to blow up for football. If Brian Kelly could be bothered to give him the opportunity to play both sports this would probably be a non-issue.

As an aside, if he ends up suiting up for Ohio State lacrosse I'll flip a ****. For lax that's our "rival" and **** OSU.

 

[STLDomer]

I don't like this. Yes I know we are getting 2 scholarships back but we need. Elite talent.

+1 on what Lax said

First of all there has been nothing posted about ND having interest in his football abilities so I don't know what you don't like.

In the 247 article about OSU Wiltfong alluded that he probably won't get a football offer

 

[IrishSpartan]

just found this out and im in shock and didn't recognize his name but played this guy in lacrosse 2 times while playing for my travel team. Needless to say he is a stud on lacrosse field and is massive, Paul Rabil size and would be an incredible tight end.

 

[IrishSpartan]

There is about a 0% chance he gets a football scholarship. He's extremely academics first and I seriously doubt he would consider Ohio State unless they offered him a full scholarship for football (which I'm almost positive they won't).

Let me preface this by saying I'm not really plugged in at all anymore to the day to day of everything lacrosse at ND by virtue of being so many years removed from school that I don't really know any students still on campus. Simply put, Hubbard is an elite lacrosse player and a borderline football athlete. The problem is that thanks to NCAA/Title IX bullshit you basically can't give out full scholarships for lacrosse... whereas for football an offer = full ride. So it's really hard to compete with full rides from any place that will let him play both sports (basically, I'm concerned about Duke and that's about it... maybe Stanford, but they don't have lacrosse).

What pisses me off is that in lacrosse you simply DO NOT have decommitments nor do you have people recruiting committed players. Lacrosse athletes (and really athletes in all sports sans basketball/football) 99/100 times treat a commitment as a commitment and don't even entertain other schools after they make a decision. This is all helped by the fact that coaches in lacrosse aren't slime balls twisting kids arms to get them to their school or filling their heads with BS and you don't have a media circus, boosters, fans, etc. involved.

I'm very hopeful he sticks with his commitment to ND but I don't know anything about what is truly going through his head and how much he will continue to blow up for football. If Brian Kelly could be bothered to give him the opportunity to play both sports this would probably be a non-issue.

As an aside, if he ends up suiting up for Ohio State lacrosse I'll flip a ****. For lax that's our "rival" and **** OSU.

one of my good buddies and former teammate is a grad assistant for OSU lacrosse. I'll try to get something out of him about this whole scenario.

 

[Irishnuke]

+1 on what Lax said

First of all there has been nothing posted about ND having interest in his football abilities so I don't know what you don't like.

In the 247 article about OSU Wiltfong alluded that he probably won't get a football offer

Then why did you create a profile for him?

 

[IrishLax]

Then why did you create a profile for him?

Because he is a guy with major conference football offers is currently planning on heading to ND? There are literally dozens of profiles of players without offers from ND.

 

[STLDomer]

Then why did you create a profile for him?

- He's an athlete committed to Notre Dame

- His football recruitment directly affects Notre Dame

- There could eventually be news related to Notre Dame and his football abilities

- His recruitment is a unique situation that ppl are interested in.

- His relation to ND has been brought up twice in the last week on 247

- if he was a 5 football player a thread would be made even if their was no interest from Notre Dame football

Enough reasons?

 

[IrishLax]

- He's an athlete committed to Notre Dame

- His football recruitment directly affects Notre Dame

- There could eventually be news related to Notre Dame and his football abilities

- His recruitment is a unique situation that ppl are interested in.

- His relation to ND has been brought up twice in the last week on 247

Enough reasons?

Haha exactly... when you have articles on 247, Scout, and Rivals in the past week about your football recruitment and ND.... yeah.....

 

[Buster Bluth]

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[FDNYIrish1]

Just something that people may not know about lacrosse. And Lax, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but a fully funded Division 1 program has 12.6 Scholarships to give and usually in the area of 40 on a roster. Thats total, not per year. So unless you are the bluest of blue chips, you can still be out of pocket for some serious money. This may help to understand his football flirtation.

 

[IrishLax]

Just something that people may not know about lacrosse. And Lax, please correct me if I'm wrong here, but a fully funded Division 1 program has 12.6 Scholarships to give and usually in the area of 40 on a roster. Thats total, not per year. So unless you are the bluest of blue chips, you can still be out of pocket for some serious money. This may help to understand his football flirtation.

Nailed it. I think the 12.6 is spot on, if not it's very close.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I would imagine that it varies by school, no? You need to have the same amount of scholarships for men and womens sports, however they slice it up. No?

 

[IrishLax]

I would imagine that it varies by school, no? You need to have the same amount of scholarships for men and womens sports, however they slice it up. No?

It's actually a fixed number max per sport by NCAA. Women's lax actually gets a couple more than men's lax. I dunno the super precise numbers off the top of my head... but I remember the "average" kid was on partial scholarship around 25%. The only thing that varies by school is that some sports are "underfunded" and give out less than the max... but the max is still only about 20-25% of a roster worth of players to begin with.

There's an awful lot of shuffling with financial aid and things like that and people typically earn their way onto more scholarship through seniority/performance. This applies to all minor sports, not just lacrosse.

It's also why the "cutting kids from scholarship" thing kinda cracks me up for football... in other sports kids are moved around all the time from some scholarship to more scholarship to less scholarship to financial aid... etc. etc. etc. Kids are cut from teams all the freaking time and no one blinks an eye. In CFB? Cutting kids is a huge deal because only a select few schools do it and every kid gets a full scholarship the moment they sign.

 

[supairishfan]

I also go to Moeller. I am not sure if he is a scholly worthy player but he is big and fast so he is worth a look.

 

[STLDomer]

Louisvile offered and is now #18 OLB on Scout

 

[IrishLax]

My ideal scenario: lacrosse coaching staff moves heaven and earth to get him a full scholarship... Brian Kelly tells him he can play football... when we inevitably have transfers in the spring/after NSD, switch him to a football scholarship in the fall if the staff thinks he can play... and otherwise keep him on a lacrosse scholarship until he can be a football contributor (if that ever happens).

There is no denying that he is 6'6" and fast/agile BUT he'd need to pack on SERIOUS strength/weight to play LB and TE is such a position of strength I couldn't see him breaking through the depth chart there.

 

[kmoose]

I don't like this. Yes I know we are getting 2 scholarships back but we need. Elite talent.

Oh fer Christ's sake. There's certainly a correlation between consistently getting 4 and 5 star guys, but let's quit acting like EVERY guy we offer has to be a 4 or 5 star guy.

Everett Golson was a 3 star QB, out of High School. Boy, why did we bother wasting a scholarship on that guy?

 

[STLDomer]

My ideal scenario: lacrosse coaching staff moves heaven and earth to get him a full scholarship... Brian Kelly tells him he can play football... when we inevitably have transfers in the spring/after NSD, switch him to a football scholarship in the fall if the staff thinks he can play... and otherwise keep him on a lacrosse scholarship until he can be a football contributor (if that ever happens).

There is no denying that he is 6'6" and fast/agile BUT he'd need to pack on SERIOUS strength/weight to play LB and TE is such a position of strength I couldn't see him breaking through the depth chart there.

Do u know if he is interested in playing football at ND if he was a preferred walk-on? I recent report actually had him at 240 and after watching his highlights he pretty much plays on intensity and athleticism and is effective, with some coaching could be a quality contributor.

 

[IrishLax]

Do u know if he is interested in playing football at ND if he was a preferred walk-on? I recent report actually had him at 240 and after watching his highlights he pretty much plays on intensity and athleticism and is effective, with some coaching could be a quality contributor.

Yes. Very much so. From what I've heard, as things stand right now he would stick with ND unless offered by a really top tier academic institution for football (i.e. Stanford).

The only schools I would be worried about in his recruitment right now would be Stanford, Michigan, Duke, and maaaaaaaybe Ohio State.... but at the same time, things change. Lacrosse recruiting is very different from football recruiting. And as things continue to heat up and coaches from around the country ramp up contact and everyone tells him how great he is and how he can go to the NFL.... who knows what will happen. He might change his mind on things and decides he wants to be football first.

Bottom line is that he is a BCS caliber football prospect who Brian Kelly & the staff should be trying VERY hard to get to be a preferred walk-on right now. Start with that, and figure out the rest as things evolve.

 

[supairishfan]

Yes. Very much so. From what I've heard, as things stand right now he would stick with ND unless offered by a really top tier academic institution for football (i.e. Stanford).

The only schools I would be worried about in his recruitment right now would be Stanford, Michigan, Duke, and maaaaaaaybe Ohio State.... but at the same time, things change. Lacrosse recruiting is very different from football recruiting. And as things continue to heat up and coaches from around the country ramp up contact and everyone tells him how great he is and how he can go to the NFL.... who knows what will happen. He might change his mind on things and decides he wants to be football first.

Bottom line is that he is a BCS caliber football prospect who Brian Kelly & the staff should be trying VERY hard to get to be a preferred walk-on right now. Start with that, and figure out the rest as things evolve.

You are right on everything my man.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Can BC flip Irish lacrosse commit?

 

[IrishLax]

Can BC flip Irish lacrosse commit?

I don't do rivals, you got a summary?

 

[STLDomer]

Stanford offered.

****

“@jrody25: Stanford Cardinals offer Sam Hubbard. Should be a nice visit this summer. #Winforever #Excellence”

^ Moeller Head Coach

 

[IrishLax]

**** Stanford. God I hate them. This is such lameness. Eff everything. Recruiting blows so far this year on every level. Watch him turn into a stud LB at Stanford too.

Total project player but 6'6" with a great frame and athletic ability. Could be a better Danny Spond. Don't see how he is going to turn down a full ride from Stanford to stick with ND.

 

[arrowryan]

Oh nooooooooooooooo