North Carolina Receives B1G offer, Virginia & Georgia Tech next in line

[Ndaccountant]

I know ND rivalries with some big ten schools and its popular to rag on the Big Ten for their football performance of late. But this is wrong.

What is wrong about it? Where is the growth for the Big10 going to come from? The fact is, they have been offering up a less compelling brand, in total, for years. We all know that TV footprints and viewership drive conferences now. Where is the viewership going to grow in the midwest? Delany knows he has to be the first to move or he, in the end, will lose. He also knows, in the end, he needs to force ND's hand. The end game here for Delany is access to the east coast, to blow up the ACC and force ND to the Big10.

 

[DillonHall]

Why can't we just ignore threads started by idiots?

 

[Rack Em]

What is wrong about it? Where is the growth for the Big10 going to come from? The fact is, they have been offering up a less compelling brand, in total, for years. We all know that TV footprints and viewership drive conferences now. Where is the viewership going to grow in the midwest? Delany knows he has to be the first to move or he, in the end, will lose. He also knows, in the end, he needs to force ND's hand. The end game here for Delany is access to the east coast, to blow up the ACC and force ND to the Big10.

That was more eloquent than my explanation. Reps.

 

[Booslum31]

Do you understand the difference among present, past, and future tense? Or don't you need to know these simple principles at UM? I said nothing about this year or any other years past.... I said 'in the coming years' (i.e., in the future). Urban is going to win well over 50% of the games against UM, and I'd bet my alleged son on it.

GO IRISH!

My lord...it looks like someone has lost their bonnet.

 

[Irish#1]

Excellent point on research funding though. I had heard in the past that profs would kill their best TA to get into the BIG for the research possibilities alone.

Research is the foundation for the B1G. To be considered, you have to be a research based school. Delaney knows what he's doing. When he added Maryland he instantly added the large RICH population base that is around the D.C. area.

I don't know if UNC will join the B1G, but the way things are going, it won't surprise me if they do.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Did I miss something, or does an invite to the B1G automatically entitle one to membership in the CIC now too? We're talking about an athletic conference here.

Edit: I guess it does.

 

[koonja]

Did I miss something, or does an invite to the B1G automatically entitle one to membership in the CIC now too? We're talking about an athletic conference here.

What is the CIC? I never follow this re-allignment topic. I'm too busy speculating over 17-year old high-schoolers.

 

[dudesthisisthebest]

What is wrong about it? Where is the growth for the Big10 going to come from? The fact is, they have been offering up a less compelling brand, in total, for years. We all know that TV footprints and viewership drive conferences now. Where is the viewership going to grow in the midwest? Delany knows he has to be the first to move or he, in the end, will lose. He also knows, in the end, he needs to force ND's hand. The end game here for Delany is access to the east coast, to blow up the ACC and force ND to the Big10.

They're not leaving because the only teams that want to go to the B1G are the leftovers from other conferences.

Nebraska was not a leftover

Maryland and Rutgers add shi!t. You underestimate the ACC and everyone's opinion of the B1G.

Opinion doesn't really matter. $ matters. The ACC isn't close in that respect.

The B1G is isolated in the Midwest aside from Rutgers and Maryland (who, again, add nothing athletically to the conference).

Penn State is somewhat northeast as well. Adding Rutgers and Maryland expands the market. Also, what school in the northeast would add to the conference athletically?

Delany knows he has to expand outward or run the risk of staying land locked forever.

This I agree with

He's being the aggressor so it APPEARS like the B1G is a player in the college athletic landscape. Classic short man syndrome.

This I don't agree with.

Its actually the complete opposite. The Big Ten is making classic power plays. They know schools want in on the revenue/academics they can provide so they are pushing around the lesser conference. When it comes to revenue they are pretty much on par with the SEC and its obvious they want to be the frontrunning superconference rather than get left behind. Their end game is likely Notre Dame and Texas and they are just putting themselves in the best position possible.

So,

Where is the growth for the Big10 going to come from?

The largely untapped northeast and if they had their way, Texas and ND

 

[Irish Houstonian]

BIG10 is a bunch of huge state schools, and with huge alumni bases like that you'll never really be "irrelevant". Or broke.

That said, they're still part of the Rust Belt political economy, something that lags every other area in every conceivable way. Detroit is literally $14 billion dollars in debt.

 

[Wolverine1997]

They're getting better recruits and their coach is way better than yours. What am I missing?

Oh so recruiting rankings automatically translate to on-field success?

Tell me more about how Texas, Clemson and Florida State have done.

 

[koonja]

Oh so recruiting rankings automatically translate to on-field success?

Tell me more about how Texas, Clemson and Florida State have done.

No, that combined with BETTER COACHING. You're only taking half of my equation, then trying to make the exception the rule. Tell me how you plan to keep up with OSU who has better players and also a better coach?

 

[Wolverine1997]

1. Johns Hopkins (1.73 billion DoD grant. not even fair)

FWIW, Johns Hopkins is in contact with the B1G regarding affiliate membership for lacrosse.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

No, that combined with BETTER COACHING. You're only taking half of my equation, then trying to make the exception the rule. Tell me how you plan to keep up with OSU who has better players and also a better coach?

Easy. Deer antler spray. Next question.

 

[Wolverine1997]

No, that combined with BETTER COACHING. You're only taking half of my equation, then trying to make the exception the rule. Tell me how you plan to keep up with OSU who has better players and also a better coach?

If you think he's going to be there more than 4 years, you're insane.

Ol' urbz isn't known for staying in one place very long.

Where is the proof they have better players? Their undefeated season? Nice schedule. I'd like to see what they'd have done if they had Michigan's schedule last year. I reckon Michigan would go undefeated with ohio's schedule if they switched.

And Michigan wouldn't need OT to beat purdue at home and let IU score 49 on them.

 

[koonja]

If you think he's going to be there more than 4 years, you're insane.

Ol' urbz isn't known for staying in one place very long. Where is the proof they have better players? Their undefeated season? Nice schedule. I'd like to see what they'd have done if they had Michigan's schedule last year. I'd reckon Michigan would go undefeated with ohio's schedule if they switched.

And Michigan wouldn't need OT to beat purdue at home and let IU score 49 on them.

1) He's an Ohio native. Please don't compare his tenure at OSU to any other place. It's not the same. He's going no where but retirement from OSU.

2) Their getting better recruits than UM.

We were 12-0 in the regular season, so you bringing up victories that ND had is meaningless. And we're not even on the topic of ND's future, which is looking brilliant, btw.

And, WE BEAT YOU WITH TOMMY REES AT QB.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm sorry but the only school that matters to the ACC there is actually Georgia Tech. UVA is completely irrelevant... Virginia Tech is the draw in DC/Virginia NOT UVA. UNC doesn't matter because you have 3 other schools in North Carolina.

If the Big Ten gets UNC/UVA then the ACC will simply add UCONN and one other school staying at a strong 14 + ND.

All things considered, it wouldn't surprise me if Delaney is trying to increase the east coast presence through these irrelevant schools (that honestly probably hurt the Big Ten bottom line for each individual school more than they help it) so that ND would consider joining. ND is not going to join a conference full of large public midwest research schools when it is a small private "national" Catholic "liberal arts" school. It's not a fit.

 

[Wolverine1997]

1) He's an Ohio native. Please don't compare his tenure at OSU to any other place. It's not the same. He's going no where but retirement from OSU.

2) Their getting better recruits than UM.

We were 12-0 in the regular season, so you bringing up victories that ND had is meaningless. And we're not even on the topic of ND's future, which is looking brilliant, btw.

And, WE BEAT YOU WITH TOMMY REES AT QB.

1. It's "they're"
2. Where did I mention ND?
3. Your future can look as great as it wants. I wish you guys nothing but well. It doesn't matter to us since your AD chose to end the series.
4. Once again, you have no evidence they're getting better recruits. If you base them off rankings, I can direct you to the Mack Brown School of underachieving.

 

[Wolverine1997]

I'm sorry but the only school that matters to the ACC there is actually Georgia Tech. UVA is completely irrelevant... Virginia Tech is the draw in DC/Virginia NOT UVA. UNC doesn't matter because you have 3 other schools in North Carolina.

If the Big Ten gets UNC/UVA then the ACC will simply add UCONN and one other school staying at a strong 14 + ND.

All things considered, it wouldn't surprise me if Delaney is trying to increase the east coast presence through these irrelevant schools (that honestly probably hurt the Big Ten bottom line for each individual school more than they help it) so that ND would consider joining. ND is not going to join a conference full of large public midwest research schools when it is a small private "national" Catholic "liberal arts" school. It's not a fit.

I'm not convinced that UConn won't looked at in expansion. The B1G may very well go past 18 and even into the ridiculous realm of 20+. Adding UConn not only has perks of having a somewhat relevant football program and a fairly consistent power in basketball.

But another x factor people aren't considering is that UConn has a hockey program. The B1G just added hockey as a conference-sponsored sport and will begin play next season. Now obviously hockey isn't the driving force, but it is an extra incentive.

At one time, I fancied the idea of adding BC and UConn.

 

[koonja]

1. It's "they're"
2. Where did I mention ND?
3. Your future can look as great as it wants. I wish you guys nothing but well. It doesn't matter to us since your AD chose to end the series.
4. Once again, you have no evidence they're getting better recruits. If you base them off rankings, I can direct you to the Mack Brown School of underachieving.

1) You didn't that's my bad. I scanned your post very quickly and when you talked about beating Purdue, I thought that was a slight at ND, who struggled against Purdue this year. Total brain lapse on my end.

2) There's no objective way to say class B is > Class C for fact, but the rankings from the last two years show that they're getting more elite talent than UM. I guess it's my personal opinion (which doesn't mean anything) that OSU > UM as far as recruiting the past two years.

Urban isn't going to let talent slide through his system like Mack Brown. I think you underestimate him as a coach.

 

[PraetorianND]

1. It's "they're"
2. Where did I mention ND?
3. Your future can look as great as it wants. I wish you guys nothing but well. It doesn't matter to us since your AD chose to end the series.
4. Once again, you have no evidence they're getting better recruits. If you base them off rankings, I can direct you to the Mack Brown School of underachieving.

How can you possibly correct anyone's grammar when you write like this?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Nebraska was not a leftover



Opinion doesn't really matter. $ matters. The ACC isn't close in that respect.



Penn State is somewhat northeast as well. Adding Rutgers and Maryland expands the market. Also, what school in the northeast would add to the conference athletically?



This I agree with



This I don't agree with.

Its actually the complete opposite. The Big Ten is making classic power plays. They know schools want in on the revenue/academics they can provide so they are pushing around the lesser conference. When it comes to revenue they are pretty much on par with the SEC and its obvious they want to be the frontrunning superconference rather than get left behind. Their end game is likely Notre Dame and Texas and they are just putting themselves in the best position possible.

So,


The largely untapped northeast and if they had their way, Texas and ND

Nebraska is not a left over, but they are hardly a massive catch either. Nebraska offers little more than Iowa. Nebraska followers are loyal and a great fanbase, but their product does little to excite the masses.

The largely untapped NE? Nobody in NY gives two craps about college football. There is nothing in that part of the country. Boston? Nope. Hell, if the market was so vast, wouldn't UCONN have been snatched up by now?

 

[Kak7304]

Carolina isn't leaving Duke and vice versa

Also in basketball future ACC > Future B1G

ACC will be adding Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and ND and be an absolute powerhouse conference in basketball. I also wouldn't be surprised if UConn were to move to the ACC in the future as the Big East dissolves.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'm an unapologetic fan of the Big Ten, and they have a consistently good basketball conference, but lets be honest: The SEC has 3 bball titles in the last decade, the B1G has none. Hell, they are behind the Pac, ACC, and SEC all-time in titles, and "being competitive" will only last until people forget about Spartys title 12 years ago. Might be too late. Somebody better win it this year, if the Irish don't of course....it's time to put up or shut up.

 

[Kak7304]

Big time hypothetical here, but what do you guys think of ND joining the Catholic schools leaving the Big East to start a new conference? It would allow us to have a conference for olympic sports but maintain complete football independence because none of those schools have football programs.

 

[Kak7304]

I'm an unapologetic fan of the Big Ten, and they have a consistently good basketball conference, but lets be honest: The SEC has 3 bball titles in the last decade, the B1G has none. Hell, they are behind the Pac, ACC, and SEC all-time in titles, and "being competitive" will only last until people forget about Spartys title 12 years ago. Might be too late. Somebody better win it this year, if the Irish don't of course....it's time to put up or shut up.

IU being back, the rise of Michigan, and OSU's recent success coupled with MSU's consistent success have the B1G way up there, despite no titles, they'll just be second to a conference with UNC, Duke, Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, Louisville, ND, and NC State.

 

[irishknight35]

Big time hypothetical here, but what do you guys think of ND joining the Catholic schools leaving the Big East to start a new conference? It would allow us to have a conference for olympic sports but maintain complete football independence because none of those schools have football programs.

I like the idea but I think it deteriorates the competition in all other sports. Doesn't mean all other sports couldn't have a really tough OCC schedule but in conference would be weaker competition as a whole with only those schools involved.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Big time hypothetical here, but what do you guys think of ND joining the Catholic schools leaving the Big East to start a new conference? It would allow us to have a conference for olympic sports but maintain complete football independence because none of those schools have football programs.

As irishknight35 mentioned, we needed a quality home for our Olympic sports. ND basketball would have a soft landing if we joined the other Catholic schools, but our other sports would suffer significantly.

More importantly, realignment is ongoing, so we need to keep a foot in the door with a conference that would garner an automatic play-off berth if CFB switches to a conference champion model. The ACC offers that (for now), but the Catholic schools wouldn't.

 

[Wolverine1997]

My theory of the endgame for conference expansion-

20-24 members in a conference.
4 divisions of either 5-6 teams depending on how many members there are in said conference.
4 team playoff for the conference title.
4 superconference champions square off for the national title.

 

[phork]

We are ND and you aren't.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

My theory of the endgame for conference expansion-

20-24 members in a conference.
4 divisions of either 5-6 teams depending on how many members there are in said conference.
4 team playoff for the conference title.
4 superconference champions square off for the national title.

I seriously doubt superconferences would grow to that size; realignment is being driven in large part by separating the "haves" from the "have nots". There aren't even close to 80-100 "haves" in CFB. You'd be hard-pressed to fill 4 superconferences of 16 with quality programs.