'13 FL RB Tarean Folston (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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^me too. If he were to go to auburn and we miss in issac, why are we so desperate to get another RB? Just precaution if Bryant leaves also? Why just fill a spot for the sake of filling it? I wouldn't mind seeing us saving a spot or two for next year. Maybe I'm way off base but could someone please explain.
 
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Any chance the staff treats this like previous verbals from this cycle? As in, if you're visiting other schools then you aren't fully committed...if you're looking, we're looking. Seems to me that Wilson just got bumped up on the board if the staff truly wanted to fill this class with an elite play maker of this skill set. I understand Tarean's position, but the staff needs to take charge of the leverage, imo.
 
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Any chance the staff treats this like previous verbals from this cycle? As in, if you're visiting other schools then you aren't fully committed...if you're looking, we're looking. Seems to me that Wilson just got bumped up on the board if the staff truly wanted to fill this class with an elite play maker of this skill set. I understand Tarean's position, but the staff needs to take charge of the leverage, imo.
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I assume they'll recruit Larue and Ty Isaac, while staying on Folston. If, say, Isaac and/or Larue are blown away when/if they visit and want in, they'll tell Folston there's no more room. But then again, since Folston can play defense as well as RB/slot, IDK that you tell him no thanks if Larue or Isaac want in.

Given what little we truly know (which seems to ALWAYS be the case in recruiting), I'd think the staff would take a Isaac at RB if he wanted in, then the ball would be in Folston's court.
 
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AFisch86 said:
^me too. If he were to go to auburn and we miss in issac, why are we so desperate to get another RB? Just precaution if Bryant leaves also? Why just fill a spot for the sake of filling it? I wouldn't mind seeing us saving a spot or two for next year. Maybe I'm way off base but could someone please explain.
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We're not trying to fill the RB spot with just any player. Folston, Bryant, and Isaac are all very, very good players.
 
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If Folston were to go to Auburn and Isaac reaffirms his commitment to USC, why does it seem like we are reaching for other RBs that are rated far below those three you just mentioned. Is us reaching a precaution in case Bryant bails also? I would be satisfied with just Bryant and not necessarily looking to fill Folstons spot just with some lower rated RB. I wouldn't mind saving it for some highly touted prospects next year.
 
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AFisch86 said:
You aren't understanding what I'm asking.
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We wouldnt just take any back, the staff wants two backs this cycle however all three of the targets(Bryant, Ty and Folston) are very high on our board and have been since the beginning. The staff wont just take any running back this cycle so to answer your question they arent recruiting lesser backs and have plenty of targets at other positions to fill the board if we do get unlucky and dont sign two of the three names mentioned above.
 
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AFisch86 said:
^me too. If he were to go to auburn and we miss in issac, why are we so desperate to get another RB? Just precaution if Bryant leaves also? Why just fill a spot for the sake of filling it? I wouldn't mind seeing us saving a spot or two for next year. Maybe I'm way off base but could someone please explain.
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Hopefully this answers it. I think the pressing concern with RB's is the fact that they wear and tear more than most if not all positions. If you look at your depth there's a lot of unanswered questions there as someone has posted earlier. I don't think it's a sake of just adding someone to fill the spot, it's a safety measure I think the coaches are using. I think we were all under the same impression that we thought Wood would have a helluva season and we didn't think much of Theo. I think even GAIII showed me during the spring game that we could have a real strength in our running game this season. First game against Navy really showed that, but then when we started playing tougher teams, our belief in Wood and GAIII started to dwindle. You can have 3 or 4 backs that you think are going to all be dynamic, but once they actually get out to the field and play, you may only have 1 solid back out of the 4, so it's basically just a numbers game. The more backs you have, the better likelihood you have 2-3 good backs then just the possibility of having 1-2. My last thought behind continually going after more RB's is we need to find a replacement for Theo. We need that X/Y/Z back that can motion out and catch passes, that can run legit routes. Wood is the equivalent of Bryant, Folston is Theo. We have Wood, we need a Theo, specifically for our style of offense.
 
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I assume they'll recruit Larue and Ty Isaac, while staying on Folston. If, say, Isaac and/or Larue are blown away when/if they visit and want in, they'll tell Folston there's no more room. But then again, since Folston can play defense as well as RB/slot, IDK that you tell him no thanks if Larue or Isaac want in.

Given what little we truly know (which seems to ALWAYS be the case in recruiting), I'd think the staff would take a Isaac at RB if he wanted in, then the ball would be in Folston's court.
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Seems they'd push harder for Dontre Wilson. Doesn't he have a more equivalent skill set compared to Tarean?

For RB, I'm thinking:

1a Folston - hybrid
1b Wilson - hybrid

2 Bryant - true rb

3 Isaac - true rb, but also can take a "best available" slot and also has the potential to be moved around.
 
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Hopefully this answers it. I think the pressing concern with RB's is the fact that they wear and tear more than most if not all positions. If you look at your depth there's a lot of unanswered questions there as someone has posted earlier. I don't think it's a sake of just adding someone to fill the spot, it's a safety measure I think the coaches are using. I think we were all under the same impression that we thought Wood would have a helluva season and we didn't think much of Theo. I think even GAIII showed me during the spring game that we could have a real strength in our running game this season. First game against Navy really showed that, but then when we started playing tougher teams, our belief in Wood and GAIII started to dwindle. You can have 3 or 4 backs that you think are going to all be dynamic, but once they actually get out to the field and play, you may only have 1 solid back out of the 4, so it's basically just a numbers game. The more backs you have, the better likelihood you have 2-3 good backs then just the possibility of having 1-2. My last thought behind continually going after more RB's is we need to find a replacement for Theo. We need that X/Y/Z back that can motion out and catch passes, that can run legit routes. Wood is the equivalent of Bryant, Folston is Theo. We have Wood, we need a Theo, specifically for our style of offense.
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We don't have Wood.

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Seems they'd push harder for Dontre Wilson. Doesn't he have a more equivalent skill set compared to Tarean?

For RB, I'm thinking:

1a Folston - hybrid
1b Wilson - hybrid

2 Bryant - true rb

3 Isaac - true rb, but also can take a "best available" slot and also has the potential to be moved around.
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You realize Wilson is not even considering us? So, then does him attening another school put him below 1b on our list? Do we do that now, wait till after spring, or move him to 2a after summer camp?
 
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Keep in mind that many said early going that Bryant has excellent hands.... If that is the case, I don't know if I'd call him a true RB. Maybe not a true hybrid, or as true as Folston, but you have to think Bryant will be the most likely to get on the field early as a true RB, with his receiving game growing as he learns the O.
 
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Chris P. Bacon said:
We have a Wood, we need a Theo, specifically for our style of offense.
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We don't have Wood.

You realize Wilson is not even considering us? So, then does him attening another school put him below 1b on our list? Do we do that now, wait till after spring, or move him to 2a after summer camp?
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I think my post was mis-read. I meant we have a "Cierre Wood" in Bryant, we don't have a secure Theo (type of RB) in Folston.

I know C. Wood is declaring.
 
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We don't have Wood.



You realize Wilson is not even considering us? So, then does him attening another school put him below 1b on our list? Do we do that now, wait till after spring, or move him to 2a after summer camp?
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Actually no, I didn't realize this, so thanks for being a jerk about it. From what I had read a day or two ago, Cooks stopped in and there was a question as to whether we may actually get a visit. I'm aware he's a longshot, but I hadn't been updated on whether or not ND may actually get a visit. Doesn't seem likely, so moving on...
 
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Try as I may, I cannot get a boner when talking ND football. I guess I just watch football differently . . .
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You need to pay more attention to the cheerleaders my friend.

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I think my post was mis-read. I meant we have a "Cierre Wood" in Bryant, we don't have a secure Theo (type of RB) in Folston.

I know C. Wood is declaring.
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I don't think Bryant = Wood either.
Speed - Wood better top end, Bryant arguably better football speed.
Power - Hands down Bryant
Catching - Hands down Bryant

Bryant's physical development far exceeds Wood. I believe they are the same weight already, while Wood is a bit taller. Bryant can also afford to pack on some weight. Regardless, I expect Bryant to be a bruiser when it's all said and done.

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AFisch86 said:
^me too. If he were to go to auburn and we miss in issac, why are we so desperate to get another RB? Just precaution if Bryant leaves also? Why just fill a spot for the sake of filling it? I wouldn't mind seeing us saving a spot or two for next year. Maybe I'm way off base but could someone please explain.
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Chris P. Bacon said:
Hopefully this answers it. I think the pressing concern with RB's is the fact that they wear and tear more than most if not all positions. If you look at your depth there's a lot of unanswered questions there as someone has posted earlier. I don't think it's a sake of just adding someone to fill the spot, it's a safety measure I think the coaches are using. I think we were all under the same impression that we thought Wood would have a helluva season and we didn't think much of Theo. I think even GAIII showed me during the spring game that we could have a real strength in our running game this season. First game against Navy really showed that, but then when we started playing tougher teams, our belief in Wood and GAIII started to dwindle. You can have 3 or 4 backs that you think are going to all be dynamic, but once they actually get out to the field and play, you may only have 1 solid back out of the 4, so it's basically just a numbers game. The more backs you have, the better likelihood you have 2-3 good backs then just the possibility of having 1-2. My last thought behind continually going after more RB's is we need to find a replacement for Theo. We need that X/Y/Z back that can motion out and catch passes, that can run legit routes. Wood is the equivalent of Bryant, Folston is Theo. We have Wood, we need a Theo, specifically for our style of offense.
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I don't think we are desperate for a second RB, nor are we filling a spot for the sake of filling it. The staff thinks that Bryant and Folston are both quality football players who would be excellent in our offense, and when they have a shot at guys like that they want to get them in the program. If we miss on either or both, we won't go after a three-star project ... that would be "filling a spot just to fill it." The reality is we don't need anybody at RB this year, with Carlisle, McDaniel, Atkinson and Mahone all with multiple years of eligibility remaining. But at such a key position you'd like to get at least one every year and we aren't going to pass up quality football players.

I disagree that we are going after both because they are distinguishable players who will fill different roles. Bryant may be a bit more developed physically, but both are shifty RBs who show the potential to be great receivers as well as great RBs. Same with Isaac -- even though he is huge, he has a lot of shake in the open field, as you can see when you watch his tape, and he has great hands. Guys like that, guys like Theo (Bryant and Isaac are more than that -- Theo with size), are rare enough that we want to take them whenever we can get them. Such players are right behind mobile passing QBs like Everett and Kiel as THE players who make our offense work.
 
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