Who is Likely Next (2013)

[GBdomer]

Absolutely positively gotta have Martin, watt, fox, and carlo back. I would be fine with EV and shutting it down, but also understand that you gotta strike while the iron is hot.

Also if we make it to the nc next year and can pick whom we want for the 14 class...their has got to finally be some transfers by some guys that realize they will not see a down.

Preach it brotha, Preach it high into the heavens.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Just spit-balling here, but how is Fitts not a "must take" recruit? A run-stuffing DE is a huge need for us going forward with KLM's departure. We're only at 6/8 for DL in 2013 right now, and only two of them has any real experience.

Don't forget about Z. Martin and Watt. If we end up with 8 spots due to some attrition, that'll mean only 4 for new 2013 verbals (assuming both Fox and Calabrese return).

Our lack of depth at ILB is terrifying. There is no way the staff lets both of them walk.

Yes, and after getting run all over by Bama, I'd prefer more run-stuffers/gap-holders.

Oh, my mistake. I didn't read your post close enough.

Exactly. Not for new recruits. I think the only way they walk is if it's their decision to move on not because they're weren't asked back.

 

[ThePiombino]

Absolutely positively gotta have Martin, watt, fox, and carlo back. I would be fine with EV and shutting it down, but also understand that you gotta strike while the iron is hot.

Also if we make it to the nc next year and can pick whom we want for the 14 class...their has got to finally be some transfers by some guys that realize they will not see a down.

Definitely don't need Calabrese and Fox - one or the other. Carlo isn't an every down LB, so I would lean towards Fox only, in addition to Martin and Watt.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I won't bet because it all depends on what recruits want to come to ND. If the right recruits want in, we'll let Fox and Calabrese go, imo. We have more room now that AA is a Gator, so it's probably a moot point.

Personally, I'd turn down Fox and Calabrese if it meant we could add AQM, EV, Isaac, or some other stud that wanted in. Recruiting is about to get crazy I have a feeling. These last couple weeks will be interesting.

That is a great way to not build a program. You really want to hinder recruits thoughts on redshirting. Its already explained that a 5th yr isnt guaranteed but given in most cases. You have to build rapport and that means bringing back 5yr guys when you have a chance. Fox/Carlo are going to provide more than a recruit. And a 4/5 star mlb is going to just decide to pick ND 3 weeks before nsd? If we were recruiting one its be one thing, but we arent.

 

[koonja]

That is a great way to not build a program. You really want to hinder recruits thoughts on redshirting. Its already explained that a 5th yr isnt guaranteed but given in most cases. You have to build rapport and that means bringing back 5yr guys when you have a chance. Fox/Carlo are going to provide more than a recruit. And a 4/5 star mlb is going to just decide to pick ND 3 weeks before nsd? If we were recruiting one its be one thing, but we arent.

Now I take back my reporter of the year vote.

I'll defer to your judgement on recruiting matters, since you know more than I, but crazy things happen as NSD approaches. I am surprised that the staff isn't pursuing a ILB after AA's change of heart, though.

 

[chicago51]

Now I take back my reporter of the year vote.

I'll defer to your judgement on recruiting matters, since you know more than I, but crazy things happen as NSD approaches. I am surprised that the staff isn't pursuing a ILB after AA's change of heart, though.

It is hard to get in the game so late for someone that you have not built a relationship with.

 

[koonja]

It is hard to get in the game so late for someone that you have not built a relationship with.

True, but how do we know who the staff has stayed in contact with? I mean, a month ago did everyone know EV still heard from ND every week? This staff is a sneaky bunch.

 

[Rack Em]

Not sure where to put this, so it'll go here. (It's free btw, Kuenja).

Where will the available five-stars in 2013 land?

Hamilton thinks Ole Miss ends up with 4 5 recruits: Nkemdiche (DE), Treadwell (WR), Elijah Daniel (DE), and Tony Conner (S). That's freaking insane for anyone.

 

[gkautz10]

Not sure where to put this, so it'll go here. (It's free btw, Kuenja).

Where will the available five-stars in 2013 land?

Hamilton thinks Ole Miss ends up with 4 5 recruits: Nkemdiche (DE), Treadwell (WR), Elijah Daniel (DE), and Tony Conner (S). That's freaking insane for anyone.

They go where the money is.........but seriously

 

[dublinirish]

if Ole Miss ends up with those guys SEC is really a joke..

 

[felkey72]

Does this story about manti affect recruiting negatively in any way

 

[NDBoiler]

Does this story about manti affect recruiting negatively in any way

That's a great question. Only time will tell for sure, but I would think that after time passes and things die down a bit, people will regain their wits about them and move on with the realization that this was simply someone's personal life played out in the national media in a very bizarre fashion.

 

[Grahambo]

This should have zero affect. If this is used as an excuse then they weren't in on ND to begin with. If anything, this showed that the university will back you and support you in a time of personal need.

 

[NDBoiler]

That's a great question. Only time will tell for sure, but I would think that after time passes and things die down a bit, people will regain their wits about them and move on with the realization that this was simply someone's personal life played out in the national media in a very bizarre fashion.

This should have zero affect. If this is used as an excuse then they weren't in on ND to begin with. If anything, this showed that the university will back you and support you in a time of personal need.

I like your answer better than mine, well said.

 

[Grahambo]

I like your answer better than mine, well said.

I'm still trying to figure out what ND did wrong here? They did exactly what they should have done. People look for reasons to hate and hang on it.

 

[ep1987]

In my opinion Fox's play regressed this year whilst Carlo, whilst athletically challenged, was fairly dependable in the run game.

 

[NDBoiler]

I'm still trying to figure out what ND did wrong here? They did exactly what they should have done. People look for reasons to hate and hang on it.

What's that catch phrase, "Haters are not going to like this" or something like that?

 

[PraetorianND]

Wrong thread

 

[NDohio]

This should have zero affect. If this is used as an excuse then they weren't in on ND to begin with. If anything, this showed that the university will back you and support you in a time of personal need.

Agree completely. The way the University is responding to this situation, completely backing Manti, is a good thing for recruits.

 

[ThePiombino]

This should have zero affect. If this is used as an excuse then they weren't in on ND to begin with. If anything, this showed that the university will back you and support you in a time of personal need.

And that is the only effect this SHOULD have. Well said.

 

[dublinirish]

just to add too, Lance Armstrong will be dominating the sports pages tomorrow and everyone will forget about the hoax. Come Draft time too you know all the football guys like Mayock, Kiper and McShay will be Pro's and be all about Manti the football player and not all of this junk.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In my opinion Fox's play regressed this year whilst Carlo, whilst athletically challenged, was fairly dependable in the run game.

On what basis of evidence? Carlo is still slow, and Foxy started dusting people this year. He had a number of Te'o or Motta worthy hits, and he was much more assignment correct. He came up and plugged the gap against guards, much better also. I am almost amazed that we were watching the same player.

 

[magogian]

I thought Fox was far better than Carlo.

 

[ResLife Hero]

I agree, Fox seemed to be the better player in most areas this year.

 

[QuarrelsomeIrishAmerican]

If I see one more play of Carlo running 5 steps behind an open reciever....

 

[ThePiombino]

On what basis of evidence? Carlo is still slow, and Foxy started dusting people this year. He had a number of Te'o or Motta worthy hits, and he was much more assignment correct. He came up and plugged the gap against guards, much better also. I am almost amazed that we were watching the same player.

Well said Bogs my man. I think if it comes down to one or the other - it's Fox in a landslide. He is just able to do more.

 

[nsisk157]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather take a new commit than keep either Fox or Calabrese. Fox is clearly more appealing than Carlo and would welcome him back if we strike out...But I don't think he's good enough to refuse a recruit..

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather take a new commit than keep either Fox or Calabrese. Fox is clearly more appealing than Carlo and would welcome him back if we strike out...But I don't think he's good enough to refuse a recruit..

I can see your point however, learning the defensive scheme is the hidden variable here. So a new recruit may be bigger or faster however if they are not in the correct spot on the field that creates gaps.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather take a new commit than keep either Fox or Calabrese. Fox is clearly more appealing than Carlo and would welcome him back if we strike out...But I don't think he's good enough to refuse a recruit..

So you're comfortable starting Jarrett Grace and Kendall Moore at MILB and WILB, respectively? Grace only has 12 career tackles, and Moore has 20, most of which came on ST. And what happens if one of them gets injured? The only pure ILB behind them right now figures to be Michael Deeb, a 3 true freshman. We may end up moving players from other positions to shore up depth, but our prospects at ILB look frightening after Grace and Moore.

We have to bring back at least one of Fox and Calabrese to keep our front-7 functioning at a high level for 2013. And bringing back both would make a lot of sense unless a truly elite recruit wants Carlo's spot. Letting him walk just for "a new commit" would not be wise.

 

[DillonHall]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd rather take a new commit than keep either Fox or Calabrese. Fox is clearly more appealing than Carlo and would welcome him back if we strike out...But I don't think he's good enough to refuse a recruit..

We are at the point where it's fair to demand 10 wins a season. With that pressure, Kelly knows that he needs to win in the present. Who would you want on the field next year: a fifth year player with two years of starting experience or a true freshman? There will always be good available recruits (especially if we keep winning), but it's not every year where you'll have the luxury of an experienced fifth-year player.