'13 TX TE Durham Smythe (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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Do we think this means the staff doesn't feel great about other prospects on the board? Or does timing of visit in Feb make it completely irrelevant? I'd vote with him visiting after the 25th and deciding on NSD it's pretty independent but what do you guys think?

I'm not too concerned about what this offer means for other prospects, since with transfers and medicals, we'll probably have 1-2 more spots than we (as outsiders) can safely predict now.

If the staff plans to continue its liberal use of 12 and 13 personnel in the future (and I really hope they do), then we need to be carrying more than 4 TEs on the roster. I like this offer.
 
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Don't we have 4 spots left now that Wood went pro? But that spot would be taken by Slaughter if brought back Right????
 

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Huh. Only two ways I can make sense of this:
1) The staff has changed its view that Smythe is a "TE only" prospect rather than a flexible Mattingly-like "big skill" prospect. We have a spot for another "big skill" guy, and maybe the staff now thinks Smythe can fill it. I know the story on him previously was that he was purely a TE and that's why we weren't interested.
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2) Smythe is a great profile fit as a student athlete. Quoted by 247 today as saying that he loves ND because it is a top university AND a top football program (also explains his Stanford interest). Maybe the staff figures we might be able to use another TE in this class after all and Smythe is a great one to take a chance on because you know he will be a "program kid" who works hard and stays out of academic trouble.

Do we think this means the staff doesn't feel great about other prospects on the board? Or does timing of visit in Feb make it completely irrelevant? I'd vote with him visiting after the 25th and deciding on NSD it's pretty independent but what do you guys think?

I think it is a mix of Emcee's #1 and #2 above. The staff obviously feels strongly about offering and taking high quality individuals, even if they may not be #1 athletically on the board, because of their perceived fit with the team and University.

As we start to stockpile these great recruiting class, instead of getting them once every few years like we have the past 20 or so years, it is going to become vitally important to balance these classes and the overall roster with "stars", "high upside projects", and "blue collar" guys.

I am not saying that those three categories are all-encompassing, but generally, that is how most good programs and teams are built, and the best (most successful) ones are able to balance these categories beautifully. BK and Co. have already proven to me that they are recruiting with an eye to this, and it will only continue to grow in importance as we improve.

Just my opinion, but from what I have read on Durham, I think he fits both as a high quality individual that truly embraces all that ND is and could do for him (case in point his top 2 of ND and Stanford after dropping the Horns), while being a high upside player on the field with the size and versatility the staff covets.

We were simply smaller that Bama in the title game. Durham is a guy that is an easy offer and accepted commitment, and will certainly help us continue to get bigger and stronger as a program (both on and off the field honestly).
 

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I think this Sapp tweet was missed:

Former Texas TE commit Durham Smythe notified me earlier #NotreDame reoffered and he'll be taking an official within next 3 weeks. #Irish

So he will be visiting it seems.
 

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Do we think this means the staff doesn't feel great about other prospects on the board? Or does timing of visit in Feb make it completely irrelevant? I'd vote with him visiting after the 25th and deciding on NSD it's pretty independent but what do you guys think?

That was where my mind went when I saw "Offer" in the title. Here are my thoughts on that:

He's visiting on the 25th with half of the USC class. He's obviously behind Vanderdoes on the big board. I also think the staff wants another LB in this class (Prevot and Hollins). They take commitments from that group first. Everything else is gravy.

If there is another spot open, Smythe falls into the "best available" category with guys like Larue, Isaac, Fitts (if we get Vanderdoes), etc. Then the staff takes the first of this group to commit.

1. Vanderdoes
2. Hollins/Prevot
3. Smythe, Isaac, Fitts, Moore, Alexander, or whoever else you want to throw in here.

If 1 is eliminated, Fitts moves there.
Pursue 2 no matter what.
And have group 3 to fill in as needed.

But I hope this doesn't imply that we're not sitting as well with Vanderdoes.
 

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Yep, per Sapp Smythe said that being re-offered today makes his decision between ND and Nebraska for his last OV really easy. He's calling Cooks back tonight to work out deets.
 

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We already told Heuerman we might look at a second TE. As usual with Heuerman zero shts were given.

Ok good. I know he was on board when the staff was giving O'Niel a look (I think it was him). But you know how things change. Glad to hear though- a kid not afraid of competition!
 

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Ok good. I know he was on board when the staff was giving O'Niel a look (I think it was him). But you know how things change. Glad to hear though- a kid not afraid of competition!

Hell yea the culture around there is changing for the good.
 

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sorry if I missed something, but could this potentially hint at a medical scholly/further injury issues with Welch?
 

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sorry if I missed something, but could this potentially hint at a medical scholly/further injury issues with Welch?

Can't rule it out, I guess. But I haven't heard anything like that. As far as I know his recovery is going fine.
 

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Watched the kid play earlier in the year..solid player that could easily add 30 lbs if needed. Great hands..notch or two under Breneman in terms of route running I would say. Did a really good job of using body to shield defenders..didnt block much because they were down early so was used in the middle of field and flats quite a bit. Family friend coached against him in the middle of the year and said they had success containing him by jamming him at the line.
 
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247 - :s::s::s::s: #6 TE #188 OVR (92 Rating)
Rivals - :s::s::s: #14 TE
ESPN - :s::s::s::s: #6 TE (80 Rating)
lolScout - :s::s::s::s: #6 TE
247Comp - :s::s::s::s: #9 TE #249 OVR (.9056 Rating)

sorry if I missed something, but could this potentially hint at a medical scholly/further injury issues with Welch?

This is an interesting way to look at it. Does an ACL do that to people these days though?
 

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This is an interesting way to look at it. Does an ACL do that to people these days though?

I don't think so, but I thought he had injured his knee coming out of high school as well, unless I'm thinking of someone different.

I know Ragone had multiple ACL injuries, so I may be confusing them, but I thought Welch had a previous injury as well.
 

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Do we think this means the staff doesn't feel great about other prospects on the board? Or does timing of visit in Feb make it completely irrelevant? I'd vote with him visiting after the 25th and deciding on NSD it's pretty independent but what do you guys think?

It does make you wonder what they are thinking.
 

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Maybe the 2014 prospects at TE aren't that attractive........might want to grab 2 this year and skip it next year.
 

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Will visit ND this weekend. This would be a nice pick up

Unless BK and co. are set on picking up 2 TEs, I see this kid very far down the priority list. We have four, potentially five very good recruits coming on the 25th and the Robinson twins just opened up their recruitment and have ND as one of two teams they're considering. This is how I see it, I'm no BK though. Not going to pretend to understand what his thought process is.
 

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Unless BK and co. are set on picking up 2 TEs, I see this kid very far down the priority list. We have four, potentially five very good recruits coming on the 25th and the Robinson twins just opened up their recruitment and have ND as one of two teams they're considering. This is how I see it, I'm no BK though. Not going to pretend to understand what his thought process is.

Why on earth would you not bring a talent like this in? You have zero guarantees that those guys are going to commit to ND
 

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Kelly leaving sounds like a factor here.

No, the deciding factor was just getting re-offered by us. He made the decision yesterday to give us the visit instead of Oregon. He's a high academics kid ... ND or Stanford.
 

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Why on earth would you not bring a talent like this in? You have zero guarantees that those guys are going to commit to ND

Because we have the possibility of landing any 2-3 of EV, Prevot, Hollins, Ty, Fitts, Larue, and the Robinson twins. The only one I'd potentially take Smythe over would be Larue and I'm not even so sure about that. You're right that there are no guarantees, but I have a feeling we could land every one of those guys if we wanted to.
 

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Not to player bash but with all of the available talent on our board still I would rather have the others than another TE
 

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Because we have the possibility of landing any 2-3 of EV, Prevot, Hollins, Ty, Fitts, Larue, and the Robinson twins. The only one I'd potentially take Smythe over would be Larue and I'm not even so sure about that. You're right that there are no guarantees, but I have a feeling we could land every one of those guys if we wanted to.

In recruiting if elite talent wants to visit you let them.
 

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He would pretty much take issacs spot as the last offensive player on the board. But the next 2 spots would have to be on defense IMO.
 
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