BK stays at ND

[Ironman8]

I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax.

My personal opinion is that BK will be back with raises for himself and his staff, and that all the noise is his agent (and him) creating leverage. I don't think the Eagles are truly that interested in BK, and I don't think he himself thinks he is ready to leave ND or go to the NFL (just yet at least).

Just my opinion, but I think he will be back by Sunday night and attempt to smooth things over then. People are taking this business tactic a little too personal. Those who think he should be fired or let go is out are out of their mind.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Assuming Kelly leaves, I want Diaco/Martin and Alford to run this team. I like the attitude we have right now and the culture. God help us if we blow everyone out of the water and start the fk over.

I'm not completely sold on a seamless transition if an assistant takes over, but I like that idea better than blowing it up like you said.

Isn't that what happened at OSU with Luke Fickell? That didn't go too well if so.

 

[IrishFiend88]

Then tell me that I am wrong that winning the national title, and you know actually having the team PREPARED for its biggest game in a quarter century, would not give you the leverage you really need to get things done?

After the year ND had, we laid an egg bigger than any game I have seen in my 30 years of being an Irish fan.

He is being unbelievably arrogant to think that he deserves a fat raise after the way he put himself above the team and the university for the last month.

I don't want a coach who does not want to be here, because if you love this university, it will be good to you FOREVER.

BK should just move out of his home and be done with it, if this is just a money grab.

Onward to another coach, I guess.

And FWIW, I have not posted all day, so for me to hear that things have gotten WORSE is highly disheartening.

I am not freaking out. I am just saying the fact is that BK put himself first and it has come back to bite him in the arse twice already this week.

Well, now it is Sat here so I am going to bed now.

What a depressing week, to say the very least.

^ what he said x 2

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I may be entirely wrong on this but I thought I read somewhere that ND does not make more than the highest paid professor. But that could be really outdated so don't hold me to that. Although, I would justify paying the football coach more than school administrators/professors earn because of the publicity and money the program brings to the University. Theoretically, should coaches (athletics) make more money (take precedence) than (over) educators (academics)? I would say theoretically that is not how it should be. But, because of the way the world works and CFB being a business, it is completely justifiable to pay premiums for the services of coaches. Just my two cents

Do you mean BK?

 

[domerfreak]

Assuming Kelly leaves, I want Diaco/Martin and Alford to run this team. I like the attitude we have right now and the culture. God help us if we blow everyone out of the water and start the fk over.

Agreed in the fact to keep them on the staff and in a leadership role just not the head coach. Dont think I can handle any more OJT in SB.

 

[RubberSoul]

Its disapointing that the university is still being cheap with coaches and not doing whatever it takes to have the best football team possible. Admissions, the BOT, everyone should be on board. The football program makes millions for the university every year. Have they learned nothing over these last 25 years?

 

[rocket66]

Agree, the other Kelly handled it better.

Chip: "I've said I'll always listen and that's what I'll do"
Brian: "Leaving Notre Dame is not an option"

Leaving Notre Dame was not an option at the time of his comments. He didn't have an offer from any other team yet. I remember thinking he left the door open with how he worded that statement during the NC presser.

If he would have said "I have no interest in leaving Notre Dame", then I could understand your frustration. It's all going to work out and he'll be viewed as a hero for getting more money for his staff to maintain stability and countless other things to help continue to build this program as elite.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Agree, the other Kelly handled it better.

Chip: "I've said I'll always listen and that's what I'll do"
Brian: "Leaving Notre Dame is not an option"

Notice he didnt say "interviewing is not an option."

 

[LoveThee]

Do you mean BK?

Oops, meant to say ND does not pay the football coach more than the highest paid professor.

 

[Emcee77]

Assuming Kelly leaves, I want Diaco/Martin and Alford to run this team. I like the attitude we have right now and the culture. God help us if we blow everyone out of the water and start the fk over.

I'm tempted to agree with this. Martin was a great head coach in his own right, and Diaco has apprenticed as assistant head coach, so I'd like to think they could hold things together. Only thing we would have to do is hire a legit QB coach. BK was essentially our QB coach. There's no one on the staff currently who can fill that role.

Maybe that's crazy, but I hate the idea of hiring a new coach who will likely have a different offensive and defensive philosophy and will have to totally rebuild the team again. We've spent three years recruiting athletes whose skills and talents are tailored to a particular system, and we've done a damn fine job of it. I would like to keep that system if possible.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile. You can take this anyway you want but my aunt is best friends with one of assistants wife and she just texted her a but ago that Kelly told the staff he is staying at ND. Like I said take it how you want because I am not how much I trust what Kelly days right now.

Quick bump.

Thanks for the info.

I still believe he's fighting for his assistants and some program changes. We'll see.

 

[LoveThee]

Its disapointing that the university is still being cheap with coaches and not doing whatever it takes to have the best football team possible. Admissions, the BOT, everyone should be on board. The football program makes millions for the university every year. Have they learned nothing over these last 25 years?

There is a line between selling out who you are as a University and doing what is in the schools best interests. Yes, the program makes millions for the University. But ND prides itself on being more than a football factory ala Bama, LSU, the SEC in general, etc. ND starts accepting anybody who is good at football and we are no different than those programs we despise for polluting the meaning of student-athlete

 

[tko]

I'm not completely sold on a seamless transition if an assistant takes over, but I like that idea better than blowing it up like you said.

Isn't that what happened at OSU with Luke Fickell? That didn't go too well if so.

fact, although our assistants could be a bit more experienced than what we saw there. Martin has a very charismatic personality along with hc experience, and I think he could handle the daily stresses. Diaco has great hair and dreamy eyes, but is he ready for the constant front and center of ND as HC? Then you have Tony Alford, whos value is so enormous to this program. I think I would take the gamble with these guys if BK bolted.

 

[Grahambo]

I bet some of you also thought the world was ending a few weeks ago.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We've gotten plenty of information, you just have to read between the lines a little bit.

At this point, it's crystal clear that Kelly is prepared to accept an offer to be a head coach with an NFL team. This is way beyond aggressive negotiation tactics. Who knows whether he gets that offer or not, but as time goes on, I think there's a point/line of no return and that line is getting close.

The only source we have saying anything to the contrary are biased sources (ex players, current players, fans, etc.) close to the team.

I agree with your post, but remember we only know whats being reported and not necessarily what is all going on. There may have been some communication between BK and ND that hasn't been reported. I just would like a resolution to the situation. He's either back or he's gone. I'm fine with either.

So the Eagles have set up another meeting with Kelly and are meeting with seattles DC today? This doesnt sound good.

With the initial report of him talking with the Eagles, it was reported that he would return to meet with them again this weekend.

But let's talk about the real issue at hand...

Where are all of the TP lovers today? I mean, yesterday was promised to be a "great day to be Irish"?

[\crickets]

If he leaves, he leaves... just kidding. Kinda.

My feelings exactly. I just want a resolution.

It's funny to see people trash/question TP. If you don't like him, block him. And do you ever think where he gets his info from? Clearly if you think it's the same as paid sites you wouldn't understand. A lot of the time those paid sites receive their information from TP... It's not his fault his incredibly close sources who can't be named in public are wrong sometimes...

I don't see anybody trashing TP, just expressing their frustration with the hope they had following his tweet yesterday. He is great to have on this board, and I wish he would post more, nobody is blaming anything on him. I was one who also had high hopes for a resolution to this situation following his tweet.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Oops, meant to say ND does not pay the football coach more than the highest paid professor.

Do you have proof of that, because I know a department head, and they don't get nearly what you would think.

 

[Booslum31]

This. Chip Kelly and O'Brien literally have done the same thing as BK to this point... and that is meet with the Eagles. Both of them did that, Chip was even rumored to be a "done deal" to an NFL team, and both just got pay raises and stayed put. So far the only thing Kelly has done that has been confirmed is a meeting in Miami on Tuesday with the Eagles.

Everything else is noise. Nobody killed Chip Kelly about it. Nobody killed O'Brien about it. But somehow Brian Kelly has "irreparably damaged" himself by doing a meeting and then going on vacation.

Sensationalism at its finest.

I think that because Chip was in the conversation to leave (prior to his interview) it effected his 2013 recruiting. Rivals has Oregon at #41. Penn State is at #38 but that's a whole different strory. If BK looks like he'll do this every year we might have a class like Oregon. UGH! Would love to trust him.

 

[LoveThee]

Do you have proof of that, because I know a department head, and they don't get nearly what you would think.

I guess I was wrong, sorry guys. It must be an old policy then that is long outdated. My apologies

 

[IrishSteelhead]

There is a line between selling out who you are as a University and doing what is in the schools best interests. Yes, the program makes millions for the University. But ND prides itself on being more than a football factory ala Bama, LSU, the SEC in general, etc. ND starts accepting anybody who is good at football and we are no different than those programs we despise for polluting the meaning of student-athlete

Goes both ways. Some guys want to sellout completely and win hollow titles, and others want to stay draconian, go 7-5, and brag about doing it "the right way."

I'm in the happy medium camp. I want the team to be competitive, chase titles, etc, but understand when a team like Bama tramples us, that's the price you pay for having a certain level of integrity. Said trampling won't happen every time though, and that's why I feel comfortable in this level.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Hey guys have not posted in awhile. You can take this anyway you want but my aunt is best friends with one of assistants wife and she just texted her a but ago that Kelly told the staff he is staying at ND. Like I said take it how you want because I am not how much I trust what Kelly days right now.

Really, you guys are so knee deep in figuring out who you want to run the team you let this slip through the cracks.

 

[IrishFiend88]

Johnny Killz

Johnny Killz

Myself included, as I may be the guiltiest, but we gotta stop the cannibalism.

It's hard to handle the emotions from the possibilities at hand.

But let's be strong together and treat each other better.

Definitely my bad last night regardless of sarcasm, I was wrong.

Heads up, strap it in. Be strong. Stay on your tippy toes. Lehgo.

Very nice! Go Irish!

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Really, you guys are so knee deep in figuring out who you want to run the team you let this slip through the cracks.

I thought it was a joke, seriously.

 

[Patulski]

Quick bump.

Thanks for the info.

I still believe he's fighting for his assistants and some program changes. We'll see.

I was told by a fellow Domer that Kelly wants to be able to over sign recruiting classes. In fact, he told me Kelly will be over signing in this class. We'll see.

 

[LoveThee]

I take issue with the philosophy that Notre Dame can not win titles with the system in place. The idea that getting a few extra recruits who don't meet the standards as are will allow us to win championships just doesn't make sense to me.

Take for example, the situation with Al-Quadin Muhammad. Great player. Doesn't fit criteria. The current system says, don't bring him in. He is the #4 DE according to 247 I believe. Now take Kylie Fitts who we are somewhat in with (hes a longshot, I know, but its not the specific person its the example). He is the #7 DE I believe, according to 247.

He can get in with the current system. Is the talent gap that big between 4 and 7? No, I don't think so. Kelly can coach the #7 player up to be as good or better than the #4.

The reason we got blown out was a lack of depth, which can be expected when you are "a year ahead of schedule" Look at our recruiting class this year. #1 in the country according to some outlets. When ND wins it sells very easily to recruits. Just win games and recruiting at a high level won't be a problem, even with the current system.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I guess I was wrong, sorry guys. It must be an old policy then that is long outdated. My apologies

Nothing to concern yourself with. It was a good point. Dan Devine went on record that his base salary the year he won the NC game was approximately $25,000. So you are right about previous coaching arrangements.

You may have hit a key point; values. I know a lot of people here are ardent free-traders, but lazez-faire capitalism flies in the face of the Catholic Church Doctrine, that of many religious orders, particularly those located in America, and a general feeling in academia in general. At ND, honor, loyalty, love, respect, and integrity are much more highly valued than money. No one has presented one bit of proof that this thing is about anything more than money. Just some food for thought . . .

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I thought it was a joke, seriously.

To me it's obvious he's fighting for his assistants and program changes. There is no way he finishes polishing his Porsche and hands the keys to some new guy. Plus there has been no panic from recruits or current players lately.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I was told by a fellow Domer that Kelly wants to be able to over sign recruiting classes. In fact, he told me Kelly will be over signing in this class. We'll see.

Holy Mary Mother of God and all the ships at sea........this is going to be a GREAT debate if it is revealed to be true, and Kelly will go down as the greatest riverboat gambler of all-time if he gets it.

 

[Rocky2820]

I was told by a fellow Domer that Kelly wants to be able to over sign recruiting classes. In fact, he told me Kelly will be over signing in this class. We'll see.

Whoa! Can't wait to see that thread if it happens.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I take issue with the philosophy that Notre Dame can not win titles with the system in place. The idea that getting a few extra recruits who don't meet the standards as are will allow us to win championships just doesn't make sense to me.

Take for example, the situation with Al-Quadin Muhammad. Great player. Doesn't fit criteria. The current system says, don't bring him in. He is the #4 DE according to 247 I believe. Now take Kylie Fitts who we are somewhat in with (hes a longshot, I know, but its not the specific person its the example). He is the #7 DE I believe, according to 247.

He can get in with the current system. Is the talent gap that big between 4 and 7? No, I don't think so. Kelly can coach the #7 player up to be as good or better than the #4.

The reason we got blown out was a lack of depth, which can be expected when you are "a year ahead of schedule" Look at our recruiting class this year. #1 in the country according to some outlets. When ND wins it sells very easily to recruits. Just win games and recruiting at a high level won't be a problem, even with the current system.

Can we come up with a special award for this guy? When has anyone come up with this many well thought points, well written and presented, out of the chute?

 

[RubberSoul]

I was told by a fellow Domer that Kelly wants to be able to over sign recruiting classes. In fact, he told me Kelly will be over signing in this class. We'll see.

Yes!