Who is Likely Next (2013)

[Emcee77]

Can someone PM me why AQM is so "solid", I mean I know Shumate is here, he goes to a Catholic School we seem to recruit hard but he is yet to visit and seems to be pretty quiet about his recruitment. Im not trying be a dick, maybe Ironman can shed some light, or someone with some reputable insight.

I don't have any inside info, but for the last several weeks if not months, Sapp has consistently made veiled comments to try to steer posters on 247 away from worrying about AQM.

He'll say stuff like "[So and so's recruitment] doesn't affect AQM ... the staff has already factored him into the numbers game" or things of that nature. It seems pretty clear that Sapp knows something he can't say ... like that AQM has essentially given a commitment, but Sapp can't confirm it because to do so would steal AQM's moment at his AA game.

So take that fwiw. I know that probably doesn't seem compelling by itself but after reading literally a hundred of those comments I feel pretty secure in AQM's ND interest.

 

[Ironman8]

I don't have any inside info, but for the last several weeks if not months, Sapp has consistently made veiled comments to try to steer posters on 247 away from worrying about AQM.

He'll say stuff like "[So and so's recruitment] doesn't affect AQM ... the staff has already factored him into the numbers game" or things of that nature. It seems pretty clear that Sapp knows something he can't say ... like that AQM has essentially given a commitment, but Sapp can't confirm it because to do so would steal AQM's moment at his AA game.

So take that fwiw. I know that probably doesn't seem compelling by itself but after reading literally a hundred of those comments I feel pretty secure in AQM's ND interest.

In an interview today he backed away from stating definitively he will be announcing at the AA game. Said he could wait and play out the process a bit more. Guess we will just have to be patient and wait & see.

 

[Emcee77]

In an interview today he backed away from stating definitively he will be announcing at the AA game. Said he could wait and play out the process a bit more. Guess we will just have to be patient and wait & see.

Oh, so he did ... just read the article you posted in his thread. Makes me wonder if the rumored academic issue may be more serious than I'd thought ...

 

[chicago51]

What if AQM does not pan out? Does ND have another CAT LB type of player in this class? From what I understand Jaylon Smith is ideal for the Dog LB spot, Alex Anzalone will fit in at one of the ILB spots. Any relentless edge pass rusher types in this class?

 

[arrowryan]

What if AQM does not pan out? Does ND have another CAT LB type of player in this class? From what I understand Jaylon Smith is ideal for the Dog LB spot, Alex Anzalone will fit in at one of the ILB spots. Any relentless edge pass rusher types in this class?

Hollins

 

[Ironman8]

What if AQM does not pan out? Does ND have another CAT LB type of player in this class? From what I understand Jaylon Smith is ideal for the Dog LB spot, Alex Anzalone will fit in at one of the ILB spots. Any relentless edge pass rusher types in this class?

Doug Randolph is committed and will most likely play CAT

Deon Hollins is being recruited at CAT

 

[ThePiombino]

You still shaky about AQM? Come on man... based on what? Seriously, the guy is basically a silent commit waiting to announce at the All-Star game.

Seriously? Have you been paying attention at all to the developments over the past couple of weeks? What makes you so confident that he's a silent?

 

[rtrn2glory]

has the staff even went out to visit aqm yet??

when did this academic issue come up?? i was under the understanding he's been solid academically from the get go

 

[Emcee77]

has the staff even went out to visit aqm yet??

Elston visited him the first or second week of December.

when did this academic issue come up?? i was under the understanding he's been solid academically from the get go

Yeah, this is the first I've heard of it. Not sure if the staff has known for a while or if they are just as blindsided.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Elston visited him the first or second week of December.



Yeah, this is the first I've heard of it. Not sure if the staff has known for a while or if they are just as blindsided.

thanks dude...reps when i can!!!

 

[NDhoosier]

Seriously? Have you been paying attention at all to the developments over the past couple of weeks? What makes you so confident that he's a silent?

because all the insiders have basically said he is a silent. What "developments over the past couple weeks" are you talking about? The only thing that is a little bothersome is the stuff that came out TODAY about possible hiccups in paper related stuff or something.

 

[mkg77]

Oh, so he did ... just read the article you posted in his thread. Makes me wonder if the rumored academic issue may be more serious than I'd thought ...

It's pretty clear from what I've read (just putting everything together) that AQM wants to come to ND and the ND coaches want him to come to ND. But there have been some academic issues and thus some "paperwork" (would guess latest transcripts) needs to be submitted before he can visit and/or formally commit. (ND seems to have some rules about not allowing players even to visit unless their academics are in order; no idea the specifics here though, and makes me wonder why James was allowed to visit back in September.) My sense is he hasn't visited so far because he hasn't been able to submit that "paperwork," which to me means he hasn't gotten his fall transcripts yet. If he's pushing his announcement, it could well be to allow him time to submit the paperwork to ND, visit ND, and then announce. He may not want to announce for ND before visiting and/or the ND coaches won't allow him to. Anyway, all speculation on my part, but fairly reasonable I think.

 

[Booslum31]

I'm new to the site this year. From the beginning I've heard the term "silent commit" wsed many times and figured that it is a standard term used within the lexicon of recruiting. Does this happen very often? Are there other examples of "silent commits" that landed at ND? I can't get the reference of "Jumbo Shrimp" out of my mind. Is it like telling your girl-friend that you "really like her...but don't tell anyone". Oh..."and I'm going to visit another girl (Miami) but you are still my gal". This might happen all the time in recruiting and I just don't know it.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm new to the site this year. From the beginning I've heard the term "silent commit" wsed many times and figured that it is a standard term used within the lexicon of recruiting. Does this happen very often? Are there other examples of "silent commits" that landed at ND? I can't get the reference of "Jumbo Shrimp" out of my mind. Is it like telling your girl-friend that you "really like her...but don't tell anyone". Oh..."and I'm going to visit another girl (Miami) but you are still my gal". This might happen all the time in recruiting and I just don't know it.

The silent commit is a mythical creature, a unicorn if you will, of recruiting. Many people claim it to be the case and more often than not it's not true, but it does happen occasionally. AQM possibly being one.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm new to the site this year. From the beginning I've heard the term "silent commit" wsed many times and figured that it is a standard term used within the lexicon of recruiting. Does this happen very often? Are there other examples of "silent commits" that landed at ND? I can't get the reference of "Jumbo Shrimp" out of my mind. Is it like telling your girl-friend that you "really like her...but don't tell anyone". Oh..."and I'm going to visit another girl (Miami) but you are still my gal". This might happen all the time in recruiting and I just don't know it.

The silent commit is a mythical creature, a unicorn if you will, of recruiting. Many people claim it to be the case and more often than not it's not true, but it does happen occasionally. AQM possibly being one.

Lol, love it. I haven't been following recruiting long either but I think Piombino's description is pretty accurate. Jason Sapp, the recruiting coordinator for ND's 247 site, has gone on record as saying he doesn't believe in silent commitments and he never uses the term. Silent commits are maybe more like sasquatch ... there are occasional sightings and reports of them, but the sightings are rare and of such questionable authenticity that you have to wonder whether to believe in them at all.

 

[NDdomer2]

Silent commit = Player X tells coaching staff Y that he is committed but doesn't go public. Various reasons for why I suppose. I think it happens in a basic manner more often than we know.

For example: Jimmy Byrne and told Heistand he was going to commit but didn't go public until he spoke with Coach Kelly, I think about a week and half later. Might not be the mystical intereptation we all like to think happens but in theory he was committed to ND just not publicly.

 

[ThePiombino]

Silent commit = Player X tells coaching staff Y that he is committed but doesn't go public. Various reasons for why I suppose. I think it happens in a basic manner more often than we know.

For example: Jimmy Byrne and told Heistand he was going to commit but didn't go public until he spoke with Coach Kelly, I think about a week and half later. Might not be the mystical intereptation we all like to think happens but in theory he was committed to ND just not publicly.

While technically true, I think the spirit of what was happening with Byrne is slightly different than the "silent commit" we've all come to know and love. Byrne was purely logistics. He essentially gave his pledge, but wanted to speak personally with CBK first before going public (someone correct me if I'm wrong). The mythical silent commit tends to be more of a "I don't want others to know" situation than an "I don't want to go public until" situation.

That made much more sense in my head before I started typing...

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The silent commit is a no lose proposition for the recruitniks. When a kid is really leaning towards one school and he eventually does choose the school then he gets to take credit for "knowing" the kid was already committed before everyone else. On the flip side, if a kid eventually signs with someone else then said recruitnik can just cite a breakdown in communication with the staff, grades, family, etc. as a fall back. It is brilliant really.

Truthfully though I do think they happen, just not as many as we hear about.

 

[Emcee77]

Silent commit = Player X tells coaching staff Y that he is committed but doesn't go public. Various reasons for why I suppose. I think it happens in a basic manner more often than we know.

For example: Jimmy Byrne and told Heistand he was going to commit but didn't go public until he spoke with Coach Kelly, I think about a week and half later. Might not be the mystical intereptation we all like to think happens but in theory he was committed to ND just not publicly.

I think what's normally meant by the term "silent commitment" is committing to a school with the understanding that the commitment will remain a secret, then continuing to take visits and otherwise act outwardly as if uncommitted. Jimmy Byrne just committed and delayed his announcement for a few days. Devin Butler did the same thing. I wouldn't call that a silent commitment. I agree that there is nothing mythical about that situation ... it happens all the time.

 

[ThePiombino]

I think what's normally meant by the term "silent commitment" is committing to a school with the understanding that the commitment will remain a secret, then continuing to take visits and otherwise act outwardly as if uncommitted. Jimmy Byrne just committed and delayed his announcement for a few days. Devin Butler did the same thing. I wouldn't call that a silent commitment. I agree that there is nothing mythical about that situation ... it happens all the time.

great minds...

 

[Ironman8]

Max Redfield could easily be a "silent commitment" right now. If he has known where he is going for some time and his decision is truly made, I would not be surprised at all if he let the coaching staff of that school aware of his decision. That type of thing happens all the time.

 

[Irish2155]

Max Redfield could easily be a "silent commitment" right now. If he has known where he is going for some time and his decision is truly made, I would not be surprised at all if he let the coaching staff of that school aware of his decision. That type of thing happens all the time.

This is how I picture most "silents". The player notifies the coach of his committment but wants to make it public under his terms...possibly at his All American game or at the school with media coverage.

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

This is how I picture most "silents". The player notifies the coach of his committment but wants to make it public under his terms...possibly at his All American game or at the school with media coverage.

Max Redfield could easily be a "silent commitment" right now. If he has known where he is going for some time and his decision is truly made, I would not be surprised at all if he let the coaching staff of that school aware of his decision. That type of thing happens all the time.

I totally agree with both comments here. I mean look at the big display that D.Neal put up last year, and I think especially with ND's football program turning around like it has this year, more and more committs are going to want to go to ND then they have in recent years. Players are excited to let everyone know they are going to ND, they want everyone to know they were smart enough and the #1 team in the country wants them to play for them. This is no different than John Manziel going out and hiring a PR consultant, this is just a way to let the AA game be there PR stepping stone. A very public way to let everyone know who you are and what you're about.

 

[Booslum31]

Thx everyone for weighing in on this "silent commit" thing...it's givien a braoder perspective. Doesn't sound like anyone is emphatic in their description (which is OK) and that it does occur alot but maybe not called "silent commit". I'm leaning toward the player wanting "their day in the sun" as the most common reason for waiting. These recruiters are typically "closers" so getting a commitment with the promise of not telling anyone seems like a realty.

 

[NDhoosier]

To me, a silent commit, which applies to AQM, is the fact that the kid has told the staff that ND is the school for him, but he wants to announce at a specific date IE: All-Star Game. A "silent commit" is really not that hard to imagine happening, it happens every year. That is really the only thing I consider a silent commit. Ironman brought up Redfield, but the only way that would be consider a "silent commit" is if the ND staff KNOWS Redfield is coming to ND, Redfield is just waiting to announce it to the public. If the ND staff doesnt KNOW, then Redfield is simply keeping it close to the vest.

 

[koonja]

If I had an offer to ND, I would silently commit immediately (which I don't think I could keep secret) and take all 5 visits to the biggest games I could. There's no way AQM is more of an Irish fan than I am, but perhaps this is his train of thought.

 

[GBdomer]

To me, a silent commit, which applies to AQM, is the fact that the kid has told the staff that ND is the school for him, but he wants to announce at a specific date IE: All-Star Game. A "silent commit" is really not that hard to imagine happening, it happens every year. That is really the only thing I consider a silent commit. Ironman brought up Redfield, but the only way that would be consider a "silent commit" is if the ND staff KNOWS Redfield is coming to ND, Redfield is just waiting to announce it to the public. If the ND staff doesnt KNOW, then Redfield is simply keeping it close to the vest.

There was speculation from 2 mods one from ND and another national guy that both heard Redfield told the staff a while ago he was coming. AQM according to every mod out there is a silent or will fall ND way at some point. Silents happen all the time in recruiting Jaylon Smith might have committed March 3rd Junior day and just held off. Marcell Harris was a silent Gator commit for months

 

[Irish Man3]

I won't speculate on the silent commit deal because I don't know one way or the other. I do believe that the staff feels very confident that Folston, Redfield, and AQM all end up Irish.

The staff has not pushed for J James. I understand grades are an issue but we've seen this staff try to work around that when push comes to shove.

They slowed way down on LJ Moore, Mac Alexander, and Priest Willis in recent weeks. I think the staff has felt confident with Redfield for some time now. Bringing in Cole Luke (who I think is extremely underrated) also helped in that aspect.

As long as AQM has his grades in order, he's Irish. Don't know that there is much doubt in that. Pushing for Hollins has nothing to do with AQM according to many insiders. I think that just becomes a best available player spot. Don't see Vanderdoes treking east.

 

[johnnykillz]

Eddie V is a far cry right now for sure.

I only hope he doesn't end up at USC.

He's gonna be a force.

 

[Irish Man3]

Eddie V is a far cry right now for sure.

I only hope he doesn't end up at USC.

He's gonna be a force.

For sure. Would love to see Eddie @ UCLA if not here.

If USC ends up with Bigelow, Eddie, and A'Shawn.... YIKES!!