'13 NJ DE Alquadin Muhammad (Miami Verbal)

[Emcee77]

Sapp says basically that AQM is going to visit ND at some point before NSD and he's going to commit to ND at his AA game, whether he has visited by then or not. stated much more coyly than I've stated it but I think that was the essence of Sapp's remark.

 

[felkey72]

So if AQM was a silent to ND, with him now taking visits else where does that mean he could lose his spot.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

So if AQM was a silent to ND, with him now taking visits else where does that mean he could lose his spot.

To who?

 

[Emcee77]

So if AQM was a silent to ND, with him now taking visits else where does that mean he could lose his spot.

I follow your logic but based on what Sapp said in today's Tunnel Vision we'll take him whenever he wants to officially, publicly commit.

The policy was only ever that we don't GUARANTEE a spot if you take other visits ... for you to lose your spot there has to be someone we would rather give it to. It sounds like AQM is a top priority and there's no one we'd rather have.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So if AQM was a silent to ND, with him now taking visits else where does that mean he could lose his spot.

Probably not. He seems to be at the top of our board for ROLB/ DE, so there's no one we would recruit over him. We have a potential backup in the wing (Tashawn Bowers), but I can't see AQM losing his spot. He probably cleared these visits with the staff anyway.

 

[felkey72]

Lets say Eddie and Tashwan both want to come

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Lets say Eddie and Tashwan both want to come

Vanderdoes likely gets a spot regardless of AQM. As I mentioned above, Bowers is probably a backup for AQM, but we wouldn't take Bowers over him unless he commits elsewhere first.

 

[felkey72]

Didnt mean to upset anyone. I was just curious with all these new names popping up now, and i am sure there will be some more to come that wanna take a look at the # 1 team in the country.


Just think Bryant wasnt on the radar two weeks ago now look

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Didnt mean to upset anyone. I was just curious with all these new names popping up now, and i am sure there will be some more to come that wanna take a look at the # 1 team in the country.

I think it's a good topic to bring up. As space is limited it would be nice to know exactly where each guy stands. I think AQM is in the top 3 for the staff so there isn't anyone who we have a shot with who could bump him

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Let's say AQM is a silent... and believe me, this is a hypothetical.

Kelly would absolutely encourage the kid to take all of his visits and be absolutely sure Notre Dame is the place for him, before committing. Even if AQM stated that it was.. after he makes the rounds, if he still feels the same way, Kelly will know AQM is as solid as they get.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm getting confused reading some of these posts... is a recruit officially committed when he commits to the coach or announces publicly?

 

[Meacon Irish]

I'm getting confused reading some of these posts... is a recruit officially committed when he commits to the coach or announces publicly?

When he enrolls in January or signs his paperwork in February.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

When he enrolls in January or signs his paperwork in February.

good point, that is true.

But I'm using "official" like the past page or so have been using it, i.e Kelly and Co are counting them as part of the class.

 

[Emcee77]

I'm getting confused reading some of these posts... is a recruit officially committed when he commits to the coach or announces publicly?

What do you mean by "officially committed"? I don't think there's a universal answer to this question. A verbal commitment has no binding effect on either party. A recuit's commitment status is just a matter of agreement between him and the coaching staff. Some coaches will take a so-called "silent" commitment, where the recruit commits to the staff but allows other schools to recruit him without their knowing that he is already committed; other coaches won't, assuming that if the recruit allows other schools to recruit him he isn't committed.

With regard to AQM, the situation seems to be that we are letting him do whatever he wants and assuming that he will be a part of the class on NSD. Or, you might say that he has already "committed" to us but won't reveal that he has committed until the AA game. The difference may just be a matter of semantics. I don't know that anyone exactly knows the details of the arrangement.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I follow your logic but based on what Sapp said in today's Tunnel Vision we'll take him whenever he wants to officially, publicly commit.

The policy was only ever that we don't GUARANTEE a spot if you take other visits ... for you to lose your spot there has to be someone we would rather give it to. It sounds like AQM is a top priority and there's no one we'd rather have.

Let's say AQM is a silent... and believe me, this is a hypothetical.

Kelly would absolutely encourage the kid to take all of his visits and be absolutely sure Notre Dame is the place for him, before committing. Even if AQM stated that it was.. after he makes the rounds, if he still feels the same way, Kelly will know AQM is as solid as they get.

this had me confused on when we consider a recruit committed.

 

[Emcee77]

I follow your logic but based on what Sapp said in today's Tunnel Vision we'll take him whenever he wants to officially, publicly commit.

The policy was only ever that we don't GUARANTEE a spot if you take other visits ... for you to lose your spot there has to be someone we would rather give it to. It sounds like AQM is a top priority and there's no one we'd rather have.

Let's say AQM is a silent... and believe me, this is a hypothetical.

Kelly would absolutely encourage the kid to take all of his visits and be absolutely sure Notre Dame is the place for him, before committing. Even if AQM stated that it was.. after he makes the rounds, if he still feels the same way, Kelly will know AQM is as solid as they get.

this had me confused on when we consider a recruit committed.

I see the confusion. In general this isn't an issue because the recruit commits to the coaches and announces the commitment simultaneously or nearly simultaneously. In AQM's case, though, we just don't really know exactly what sort of understanding the staff and AQM have regarding his commitment status, so it's difficult to talk about clearly.

Sapp was pretty blunt today though. We can assume that AQM will be part of the class and shouldn't stress over what visits he takes or when he takes them. After the AA game AQM may explain what happened behind the scenes between him and the staff over the course of this fall.

One thing about Sapp: he doesn't believe in silent commitments. He doesn't use the term. As far as he's concerned, if you're silently committed, you aren't committed. So that makes AQM's situation extra difficult to understand when you are dealing with him. That label seems to describe what's going on with AQM, but he refuses to use it.

 

[felkey72]

Boy i never should have said anything. Sorry guys for starting all this.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Recruiting is a subjective situation. What I'm saying is that AQM may have given a silent verbal to Kelly but the fact that he hadn't visited ND's, or any other schools, campus would lead Kelly to encourage him to do so...

From what I've heard, the kid is enamored with ND..

So I assume.. That he was instructed to asess all of his options and make sure his initial thought process is the same, following his visits.

I further assume... the coaching staff is confident they will be but just in case (learning from prior recruiting years), they are continuing to recruit top players.

Kelly and Co. got burned a few times, have learned lessons and come back stronger. That's why I love this staff. This class is already a blockbuster and will have 4* and 5* kids on the outside looking in on Feb 3rd.

This is why I usually stay away from recruiting discussions lol.. I've gone and confused myself.

 

[Emcee77]

Recruiting is a subjective situation. What I'm saying is that AQM may have given a silent verbal to Kelly but the fact that he hadn't visited ND's, or any other schools, campus would lead Kelly to encourage him to do so...

From what I've heard, the kid is enamored with ND..

So I assume.. That he was instructed to asess all of his options and make sure his initial thought process is the same, following his visits.

I further assume... the coaching staff is confident they will be but just in case (learning from prior recruiting years), they are continuing to recruit top players.

Kelly and Co. got burned a few times, have learned lessons and come back stronger. That's why I love this staff. This class is already a blockbuster and will have 4* and 5* kids on the outside looking in on Feb 3rd.

This is why I usually stay away from recruiting discussions lol.. I've gone and confused myself.

You may be right, but I think that felkey was confused because in general Kelly does NOT encourage committed players to take visits. On the contrary, they may do so only at the risk of losing their spot ... so people were wondering whether AQM's visits affected his recruitment status with our coaches.

If AQM has committed to Kelly, and Kelly is encouraging AQM to take visits without warning him that he may lose his spot, it seems he is making an exception for AQM because there's no one out there that Kelly would rather have in his place.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

You may be right, but I think that felkey was confused because in general Kelly does NOT encourage committed players to take visits. On the contrary, they may do so only at the risk of losing their spot.

If AQM has committed to Kelly, and Kelly is encouraging AQM to take visits without warning him that he may lose his spot, it seems he is making an exception for AQM because there's no one out there that Kelly would rather have.

Right, that's what I mean about it being subjective. In most cases a kid would have seen NDs' campus and maybe a few more before committing to BK. At that point Kelly would be more apt to warn him about losing his spot if he decided to "look around".

In AQM's situation, he's visiting campuses for the first time as opposed to looking around. Kelly probably feels confident he'll be Irish in the long run, being that we are the clear leader even without a visit.. and doesn't mind AQM visiting a few on his way to SB.

In that case, if he does fall in love with another university it was never meant to be and Kelly will have possibly dodged a late defect.. and he continues to recruit for that situation so not to be left with open spots.

I forsee AQM showing up at SB still wanting to be Irish and being blown away by his visit and that much happier with his decision.

 

[TheChosen1]

Per rivals his Miami visit was a 10 nothing to compare it to but liked it.

 

[peoriairish]

Per rivals his Miami visit was a 10 nothing to compare it to but liked it.

Shapiro must have sprung for the Saturday night crew this weekend.

 

[Luckylucci]

http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1447608

Here is the rivals article where he talks Miami visit.

 

[Grahambo]

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[sparkyND]

If he is high on ND then it will be much more meaningful to have this conversation once he visits South Bend. Perhaps that will provide him with enough comparison before he commits. Just want Muhammad to set up an official that is all!

 

[ThePiombino]

If he is high on ND then it will be much more meaningful to have this conversation once he visits South Bend. Perhaps that will provide him with enough comparison before he commits. Just want Muhammad to set up an official that is all!

Isn't he supposed to visit this coming weekend? Or is that not set in stone?

 

[Emcee77]

Isn't he supposed to visit this coming weekend? Or is that not set in stone?

No, a visit date has never been finalized.

Not that that is any reason to worry. Based on what I read this week he is all but certain to commit to us at his AA game, whether he has visited by then or not. No one should worry about AQM unless you read a direct quote saying he is going elsewhere.

 

[Luckylucci]

In the rivals article he says that he is visiting ND this weekend. With that said they also said in the article that he hasn't set an announcement date so not sure about the accuracy of their reporting. Always felt very confident in his recruitment and he's probably just having fun. Not gonna lie tho that Miami visit did worry me.

 

[koonja]

Has there ever been anbeyything ond Shummate being here and AQM being 'high' on ND and the staff liking their chances that we do in fact lead? Has he ever said we lead?

 

[ThePiombino]

No, a visit date has never been finalized.

Not that that is any reason to worry. Based on what I read this week he is all but certain to commit to us at his AA game, whether he has visited by then or not. No one should worry about AQM unless you read a direct quote saying he is going elsewhere.

I hear that, but in this world of recruiting I think we all would feel A LOT better after a visit. Until then, I would not be surprised at all if he wound up elsewhere. It's all too easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of an OV I would imagine (based on what I have read/heard over the years here). I just don't get why he doesn't feel the need to make an OV here A#1 priority for someone who considering us so seriously. I know this isn't the best analogy, but how many of us here would be willing to sign a 3-year lease for a car that we've never test driven?