Who wants Alabama

[North Buffalo Irish]

See, this is exactly how I was hoping it wouldn't be taken. I didn't want angry and retalitory responses but, maybe a comparable list of achievements.

Direct quote from your post: Overall, the Alabama Crimson Tide is the best team to ever put on helmets and cleats in the history of American Collegiate Div. 1-A football.

Posted on a Notre Dame football forum, populated almost solely by Notre Dame football fans. I know the education standards in Alabama are not very stringent, but please do not attempt to bring the rest of us down to your sub-human level.

 

[ACamp1900]

I know it has been said, but I would hate to see how a group of bama fans would react if a lone Irish fan came in to their area/bar/message board/whatever and right off the bat started talking about how bama's titles aren't legit and how Notre Dame is the greatest program ever, no question....

not the way to establish a nice dialouge.

 

[phork]

All I saw was blah blah blah.

 

[Fbolt]

You know, this whole perception about Alabama's weak schedule over the decades is just that, a perception. As often one can find when researching things and truly seeking knowledge, the reality often isn't the perception.

ND Vs Year Ranked: 299-(24.8%)-(134-156-9)--0.463

Bama Vs Year Ranked: 279-(23.1%)-(124-144-11)--0.464

This is such an imperceptible percentage difference over such a long period of time, it's hardly worth mentioning.

Also, since everyone just can't stop talking about it and get good chuckles from it, let's examine the history of the 2 teams Non-1A opponents.

ND Vs Non-IA: 168-(13.9%)-(152-9-7)--0.926
Bama Vs Non-IA: 143-(11.8%)-(118-21-4)--0.839

Well, take a look at that, ND leads Alabama in amount of non-1A teams they have faced. As I say, perecption often isn't reality.

I continue to obtain good chuckles from you. Numbers can be skewed in any and all directions-so to your numbers, I'll check them myself when I decide to care or have any concern (probably after this week-then again, maybe never).

I've already assumed that Bama, and probably many other teams, had scheduling issues way back in the day and were forced to schedule what teams they could. Glad u jumped on that one-lol. Can I ask why, in this modern day and age, with schedules made years in advance and even in the rare circumstance when teams cxl, can a team not find a FBS school to play against? IMO, there are 2. The lower school obtains money and the higher school obtains a scrimmage type game. I think I know where Bama falls on this one.

Further, why haven't you addressed the other points I laid out? By excluding those from your response, I take it that you concede or you're hitting up Google for factoids that you can distort..

You have transparent motives, the ability to Google, and the art of poor arguments on your side. I'm guessing an Auburn grad? J/K.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

All I saw was blah blah blah.

I thought this:

ND Vs Non-IA: 168-(13.9%)-(152-9-7)--0.926
Bama Vs Non-IA: 143-(11.8%)-(118-21-4)--0.839

was interesting. I think that now that Notre Dame fans know better, they can quit ragging Alabama for playing non-1A teams since ND has played more.

 

[ACamp1900]

That is so disingenuous it's unreal... Notre Dame played a lot of small schools, as everyone did, in the early days before any divisions were even set. In the 70s the NCAA clearly named and sperated eveything into divisions and ND hasn't played below division 1 since. Just flat stupid, and quite plainly desperate, to paint it otherwise.

 

[Fbolt]

I thought this:

ND Vs Non-IA: 168-(13.9%)-(152-9-7)--0.926
Bama Vs Non-IA: 143-(11.8%)-(118-21-4)--0.839

was interesting. I think that now that Notre Dame fans know better, they can quit ragging Alabama for playing non-1A teams since ND has played more.

I defer to my question above.

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[CtrlAltDel]

That is so disingenuous it's unreal... Notre Dame played a lot of small school in the early days before any divisions were even set. In the 70s the NCAA clearly nmed and sperated eveything into divisions and ND hasn't played below division 1 since. Just flat stupid to paint it otherwise.

Do you also disallow all wins from this period of Notre Dame football and all percentages and all of it's early glory? Seems like you can't just pick and choose which stats you like.

The facts are, as there are stats to prove it, Notre Dame has played more non-1A teams than Alabama has. I mean, that is pretty much it.

Unless, as you say, Notre Dame football began in the 1970's and I just can't believe many ND fans would go for that.

 

[Dizzyphil]

You know, this whole perception about Alabama's weak schedule over the decades is just that, a perception. As often one can find when researching things and truly seeking knowledge, the reality often isn't the perception.

ND Vs Year Ranked: 299-(24.8%)-(134-156-9)--0.463

Bama Vs Year Ranked: 279-(23.1%)-(124-144-11)--0.464

This is such an imperceptible percentage difference over such a long period of time, it's hardly worth mentioning.

Also, since everyone just can't stop talking about it and get good chuckles from it, let's examine the history of the 2 teams Non-1A opponents.

ND Vs Non-IA: 168-(13.9%)-(152-9-7)--0.926
Bama Vs Non-IA: 143-(11.8%)-(118-21-4)--0.839

Well, take a look at that, ND leads Alabama in amount of non-1A teams they have faced. As I say, perecption often isn't reality.

1978 was the first year of the split for D1A and D1AA. Four programs which have not played any D1AA/FCS teams (or lower divisions) are Notre Dame, Southern Cal, UCLA, and Washington. (Notre Dame's last D1A/FCS game was in 1945)

You're right, perception often is not reality.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[ACamp1900]

Do you also disallow all wins from this period of Notre Dame football and all percentages and all of it's early glory? Seems like you can't just pick and choose which stats you like.

The facts are, as there are stats to prove it, Notre Dame has played more non-1A teams than Alabama has. I mean, that is pretty much it.

Unless, as you say, Notre Dame football began in the 1970's and I just can't believe many ND fans would go for that.

No, they haven't... because when they played them they weren't D1A... that's like taking teams outside of the top twenty five now and using them to screw up a teams current SOS because they played those teams in 1982.

 

[ThePiombino]

1978 was the first year of the split for D1A and D1AA. Four programs which have not played any D1AA/FCS teams (or lower divisions) are Notre Dame, Southern Cal, UCLA, and Washington. (Notre Dame's last D1A/FCS game was in 1945)

You're right, perception often is not reality.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

You can scratch Washington from the list. But the point stands!

 

[ACamp1900]

I honestly thought this guy was just going about things the wrong way, until this 1A crap... no, he's clearly just trolling... ban the bastard.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Don't feed the troll.

 

[Dizzyphil]

You can scratch Washington from the list. But the point stands!

I should have been more clear brother, it was up until 2010.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Thank God literate 'Bama fans are few and far between.

I assume CtrlAltDel has no problem with Saban's recruiting practices. 'Bama embodies virtually everything that's wrong with CFB right now, and yet this clown is arguing that some of the schools ND played at the turn of the century should absolve them from scheduling a regular diet of cupcakes today.

 

[ThePiombino]

I should have been more clear brother, it was up until 2010.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!!

Diz

Roger that!

 

[CtrlAltDel]

No, they haven't... because when they played them they weren't D1A... that's like taking teams outside of the top twenty five now and using them to screw up a teams SOS because they played those teams in 1982.

Blah, blah, no, they weren't technically lower division because there wasn't a classification for them. But, come on, in the real world everyone knew what weak competition was way before the classifications evolved.

That Notre Dame stepped up and said that they couldn't play the weak sisters any longer once they were labeled is commendable but, let's not pretend that Notre Dame has faced schedules full of juggernauts for over a hundred years.

Regardless of any rationalizations, the overall level of competition that Alabama and ND have faced, since the inception of their programs, is remarkably similar.

It should be a conversation piece, something to discuss, not something to insult someone over.

Let's look further:

ND's Opponents Record: (6473-4946-399)--0.565

Bama Opponents Record: (6686-5158-399)--0.562


ND Vs Tms w/lower Pct: 777-(64.4%)-(643-110-24)--0.843

Bama Vs Tmsw/lowerPct:804-(66.5%)-(663-116-25)--0.840


ND Vs Tms w/higher Pct: 354-(29.4%)-(179-160-15)--0.527

BamaVsTmsw/higherPct:342-(28.3%)-(156-170-16)--0.480


ND Vs Tms w/same Pct: 75-(6.2%)-(42-30-3)--0.580

Bama Vs Tms w/same Pct: 63-(5.2%)-(34-26-3)--0.563

My God, Alabama and Notre Dame are virtually twins, stat wise. It's spooky.

 

[Dizzyphil]

And if we want to get to the bottom of out-of-conference scheduling:

Games against BCS teams: ACC (48 percent), Big East (41 percent), Pac 12 (31 percent), Big Ten (31 percent), SEC (25 percent), Big 12 (23 percent).

Games against non-BCS teams: Big Ten (52 percent), SEC (48 percent), Big 12 (47 percent), Pac 12 (44 percent), Big East (36 percent), ACC (25 percent).

Games against FCS teams: Big 12 (30 percent), ACC (27 percent), SEC (27 percent), Pac 12 (25 percent), Big East (23 percent), Big Ten (17 percent).

This perception is REALITY.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That Notre Dame stepped up and said that they couldn't play the weak sisters any longer once they were labeled is commendable but, let's not pretend that Notre Dame has faced schedules full of juggernaughts for over a hundred years.

Strawman. Who has ever made this argument?

Hell, when Michigan convinced the forerunners of the B1G to black ball us, we had a hard time getting anyone to play us. Our program almost died as a result. That's why we had to start traveling all over the nation to find decent opponents.

So what's 'Bama's excuse, historically? And since the NCAA made the distinction between FBS and everyone else?

 

[phork]

 

[Fbolt]

Games against FCS teams: Big 12 (30 percent), ACC (27 percent), SEC (27 percent), Pac 12 (25 percent), Big East (23 percent), Big Ten (17 percent).

This perception is REALITY.

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!

Diz

enough stated. thank you Diz-reps

 

[ulukinatme]

My God, Alabama and Notre Dame are virtually twins, stat wise. It's spooky.

Meh, maybe in this set of data. Lets compare graduation rates and acceptance requirements.
Seriously though, I think if you look at any set of data in college football among the major players, given a long enough time period, many of them are going to be fairly close when averaged over that entire history.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I honestly thought this guy was just going about things the wrong way, until this 1A crap... no, he's clearly just trolling... ban the bastard.

I just sent him a PM...we'll see how he responds and how he posts from here on out. Trying to give opponents' fans a chance to contribute and not troll...some guys get it, most don't, sadly...

 

[CtrlAltDel]

ND vs. Div IA (mHtH): (5115-3831-306)--0.569

Bama vs. Div IA (mHtH): (5154-3963-287)--0.563

Wow, this is really getting weird. Alabama and Notre Dame could be sister teams. Our history is practically identical.

 

[CtrlAltDel]

Meh, maybe in this set of data. Lets compare graduation rates and acceptance requirements.
Seriously though, I think if you look at any set of data in college football among the major players, given a long enough time period, many of them are going to be fairly close when averaged over that entire history.

The USA Today All-USA College Academic Team honors the best of the best undergraduate academic all-stars from across the nation. The team recognizes college students who not only excel in scholarship but also extend their intellectual abilities beyond the classroom to benefit society.

With seven team members, UA students account for more than 10 percent of the 60 students nationwide named to USA Today's First, Second and Third Teams. UA has the most team members of any school. Yale comes in second with five team members.

This year's team brings UA's total for the last six years to 31, a figure that tops all other colleges and universities. In addition to this year, UA had the most students on the list in 2006 with six and in 2005 and 2003, both with five. In 2007, UA tied with Washington University-St. Louis for the most team members with four. In 2004, with four students on the team, UA came in second only to Harvard.

Alabama consistently fields student-athletes who excel in the classroom as well as on the field. The University of Alabama is tied for fifth in the nation for the number of Academic-All Americans since 2000 from all universities.

 

[IrishLax]

I just sent him a PM...we'll see how he responds and how he posts from here on out. Trying to give opponents' fans a chance to contribute and not troll...some guys get it, most don't, sadly...

There are guys that get it... like those Oklahoma fans, some of those Michigan fans (until one went off the deep end), etc. I welcome those people and think they add a lot.

But then there are guys like Trollface here. This guy is of the Miami fan ilk just trolling with incoherent thoughts and libelous half-facts instead of "WOOSH!!! DA []_[]!!" It was painfully obvious to me from his first half dozen posts onward and I'm personally sick quite sick of it (as are others obviously by his big red bar).

IMO he's been allowed to be on here for about 36 hours longer than necessary.

 

[Dizzyphil]

ND vs. Div IA (mHtH): (5115-3831-306)--0.569

Bama vs. Div IA (mHtH): (5154-3963-287)--0.563

Wow, this is really getting weird. Alabama and Notre Dame could be sister teams. Our history is practically identical.

I noticed you edited out that Alabama plays more of the big boy teams. Probably a good idea since the Irish's record vs. teams in the Top 10 is slightly better than Alabama's.

IRISH (80-87-6)--0.47977 (173 times)

alabama (59-75-0)--0.44030 (134 times)

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

 

[CtrlAltDel]

I noticed you edited out that Alabama plays more of the big boy teams. Probably a good idea since the Irish's record vs. teams in the Top 10 is slightly better than Alabama's.

IRISH (80-87-6)--0.47977 (173 times)

alabama (59-75-0)--0.44030 (134 times)

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

I'm not going to post in this thread any longer because everyone is mad at me. Sorry for comparing Alabama and Notre Dame in the ways that I did; that was wrong of me to do on your board.

From here on out I'll just talk about stuff where stats aren't needed and is more fluff related.

Sorry everyone.

 

[NDinFL]

I noticed you edited out that Alabama plays more of the big boy teams. Probably a good idea since the Irish's record vs. teams in the Top 10 is slightly better than Alabama's.

IRISH (80-87-6)--0.47977 (173 times)

alabama (59-75-0)--0.44030 (134 times)

GO IRISH!!!!!!!!!

Diz

Killin it Diz,

Good stuff

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

The USA Today All-USA College Academic Team honors the best of the best undergraduate academic all-stars from across the nation. The team recognizes college students who not only excel in scholarship but also extend their intellectual abilities beyond the classroom to benefit society.

With seven team members, UA students account for more than 10 percent of the 60 students nationwide named to USA Today's First, Second and Third Teams. UA has the most team members of any school. Yale comes in second with five team members.

This year's team brings UA's total for the last six years to 31, a figure that tops all other colleges and universities. In addition to this year, UA had the most students on the list in 2006 with six and in 2005 and 2003, both with five. In 2007, UA tied with Washington University-St. Louis for the most team members with four. In 2004, with four students on the team, UA came in second only to Harvard.

Alabama consistently fields student-athletes who excel in the classroom as well as on the field. The University of Alabama is tied for fifth in the nation for the number of Academic-All Americans since 2000 from all universities.

You have got to be kidding...