Who is Likely Next (2013)

Emcee77

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Yeah, the more I think about it, I think that's right. We just do not have experienced depth behind Wood, Martin and Watt. For the same reason, I really think we want to bring back one of the ILBs as well. Not willing to bet next season on some unproven youngsters if we don't have to.
 

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I agree with most of whats said above. We definitely bring back Watt, Martin and Wood if they want back. However, everyone seems to forget we do have Amir Carlisle. Not that he has a ton of experience, but everyone seems to forget him since he hasn't played in an ND uniform yet.

Not that you guys did, but I feel he is often forgotten. And in no way do I NOT take Wood if he wants to come both for a 5th, just saying people often forget we have Amir, and he is a stud (as is Cierre).
 

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I haven't heard the talk about Martin or Watt, who are these fools? Why would you let go two very good, experienced o linemen if they wanted back?

We brought back Golic but wouldn't those two?
 
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I shouldn't bump this thread, but I've been reading a lot of the 2013 cycle recruit threads and we are into the time of year again where people are saying: Yes, let's take him; yes, we can't pass him up; yes, let's take both of these guys.... etc. I believe that I've counted over a dozen guys who "there's no way you don't accept his commitment!!!".

These comments are often followed by: "we'll just take less 5th years". Ho hum, no problem.... Well, I see a BIG problem with that sort of casual "solution". If this comes down to a new athlete vs Zach Martin or Chris Watt, we're in BIG risk for 2013 on the O-Line. I realize that we may not get them back anyway, though I believe that the odds are in our favor for their return. But we are a WAY better football team in 2013 with Martin and Watt than without them. Without them we must replace nearly the entire line. Not a good idea.

I'm willing to give up on bringing back Fox and Calabreese if the potential recruit is that good [we are not talking about LBs now; we KNOW that our LB class is the best around already --- we're simply talking about scholarship slots for elites]. I'm also willing to let Jamoris move on, even if he gets his 6th year, which seems doubtful. But what about Cierre?? Do we really want to go with just the youngsters there?

My bottom line is that there are three 5th years that I'd like to hold onto no matter how many elites want to jump aboard the train. I am for winning immediately, and building for the future in multiple years. [not just one fabulous haul at the expense of a BCS shot].

My real reason for this post is that I can see some posters railing for Coach's head because he had to pass on someone they think is non-negotiable.

Agree, except for one thing. Next year it will be Shumate and ?? as our starting safeties... I think they let JS come back if he gets an extra year
 

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I really like Jamoris' ability to make plays. I only include him in the regretful-goodbye category because, frankly, we are REALLY loaded with safety talent now. Same thing with Fox/Calabreese.

As to Carlisle, I hope that he's the greatest --- we KNOW that Cierre is good, and so far more experienced at all phases than anyone, and able to stay healthy. We don't know all that about Amir yet... Coach won't want to do a lot of dice rolling.
 

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Carlisle has been injured on and off for two years though ... not sure we can count on him. And I'm not confident in the other guys yet. GAIII has big play speed but that may be it, for all he has shown us yet.

I think we should stop considering Slaughter coming back as a realistic possibility. You have to have lost two years to injury. His freshman redshirt year was elective, not caused by injury, correct? If so, he ain't getting a sixth year.
 

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OMM, would you say we are really loaded at ILB? We have Grace and Moore, and Grace at least is expected to be a star, but both are relatively inexperienced. Behind them are only the two incoming frosh. I wouldn't go quite as far as DillonHall, but I do think we would like to bring back both Fox and Calabrese, and bringing back one is almost as important as Wood, Martin and Watt.
 

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Preferrably, if the staff has to choose between Fox and Calabrese, I'd rather see Fox lining up at ILB in 2013. He is the more athletic linebacker, and offers a little more pass coverage than Calabrese.

So, the depth chart in 2013 at ILB will feature a returning starter with a up and coming, potential stud in Jarrett Grace. Back ups include Kendall Moore, more of a MIKE linebacker, also, Joe Schmidt and two freshman: Anzalone and Deeb.

The situation seems a little worrisome if either Fox or Grace suffer an injury, so thats why bringing back both Calabrese and Fox is a good idea, as some of you have pointed out.
 

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Carlisle has been injured on and off for two years though ... not sure we can count on him. And I'm not confident in the other guys yet. GAIII has big play speed but that may be it, for all he has shown us yet.

I think we should stop considering Slaughter coming back as a realistic possibility. You have to have lost two years to injury. His freshman redshirt year was elective, not caused by injury, correct? If so, he ain't getting a sixth year.

Very good point.

OMM, would you say we are really loaded at ILB? We have Grace and Moore, and Grace at least is expected to be a star, but both are relatively inexperienced. Behind them are only the two incoming frosh. I wouldn't go quite as far as DillonHall, but I do think we would like to bring back both Fox and Calabrese, and bringing back one is almost as important as Wood, Martin and Watt.

Absolutely.
 

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Right. I'm not sure Fox or Calabrese have tremendous upside but if we let them both go we have no one who's played meaningful minutes at either ILB spot. That seems unwise.
Between the two, I'd probably rather have Fox. He's more versatile and has noticeably upped his game this year.
And Wood's a must if he wants to come back. I like both Carlisle and Atkinson but neither really seem a likely every-down back at this point. That might change before the season's through, but I wouldn't count on it.
 

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Well, OK. My response on the 5th years was to try to make a compromise with the "let's take everybody who wants to sign" crowd and the "let's keep all the proven and semi-proven oldtimers" crowd. On one side of the 5th year "sorting out", I have Martin, Watt, & Wood to absolutely stay if they're willing. On the other side of the balance, I have all the "easy" decisions plus Jamoris [due to us being loaded there].

In the decision middle there reside Dan and Carlo. People are talking about all these recruits which are "can't miss/can't pass up". It seems to me that there's a "collision" coming right at the Dan/Carlo decision point. Let's see if we can read Diaco's mind:

a]. Diaco thinks, I have Spond, Councell, and Jaylon for next year at DOG; maybe that's one too many [and I'm making an assumption about Romeo not staying there, and ignoring the special defenses involving the Slaughters, Barattis, Shumates, Prosises of the world];
b]. Diaco thinks, I have Prince, Ishaq, Anthony, maybe Romeo and a frosh at CAT; maybe that's at least one too many;
c].Diaco thinks, I'm stuck with replacing Manti at Mike, I know it's not going to be Manti-level, but I'm really counting on Grace. Also there's Kendall, and Deeb, and Anzalone. Maybe that's at least one too many.

D). Diaco thinks, now what-in-the-heck am I going to do about WILL ?? Keep Dan? Keep Carlo? Keep both? Shift my "extras"? What am I going to do when some ace DB shows up after we're "full" or even worse a D-Lineman? I better get a plan. Coach BK is going to want to know.

What are his options?
1]. punt on the new guys and keep Dan and Carlo both;
2]. try to get at least one more prime stud, keep Dan, and shift somebody to back-up WILL --- Who? Maybe Moore; maybe, Councell or Spond so that Jaylon can play; maybe Rabasa to MIKE to aid a shift of Anzalone or Deeb to Will; ---- somehow shift the load of linebacking talent around to find some fit at WILL;
3]. But what if I need TWO spots and how can I survive letting both Dan and Carlo go? Is Jaylon good enough to start? Is Danny or Ben good enough to take the WILL? Could Anzalone start beside Jarrett? Maybe none of these scenarios ultimately make sense; but I will bet that Diaco realizes that he DOES have an overload of linebacker talent, but it is not correctly positioned yet especially for the Will. He will have a strong opinion as to whether Jarrett, Ben, or Danny, could play it in his defense. He will have a good idea as to whether Jaylon [probable] and Alex [possible] are ready to step into starting roles. He'd probably RATHER have Dan Fox there, but he should be thinking about such things.

That said: DillonHall is correct in his base concept that keeping Dan/Carlo is the conservative low risk choice --- with all the linebacking talent we have, though, the question remains: how good can some of those terrific talents be shifting to WILL??
 

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OMM, would you say we are really loaded at ILB? We have Grace and Moore, and Grace at least is expected to be a star, but both are relatively inexperienced. Behind them are only the two incoming frosh. I wouldn't go quite as far as DillonHall, but I do think we would like to bring back both Fox and Calabrese, and bringing back one is almost as important as Wood, Martin and Watt.

Is Rabasa practicing at ILB?
 

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It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. One idea of OMM's that is particularly intriguing: move Spond to ILB. I think he has the size and skill set for it, and I assume that after apprenticing this year Councell will be ready to take over as our #1 DOG next year. Then Jaylon slides into the backup DOG role that Councell is playing this year.

That's just a thought ... it would be one way to go in order to get some experience on the field at ILB if by some chance we do lose both Carlo and Fox ... I still say we have to keep at least one and I would prefer to keep both.
 

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I would be estatic if we have Cierre next year, he hasnt broke out big time this year but everybody who knows antyhing about ND football knows he has serious freakin ability ,without question. You almost have to keep one of Carlo or Fox for stability, its a pretty tall order for a true frosh at ILB at this level if someone gets hurt.
 
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I'm lost at what Carlo offers besides being a senior... underclassmen look up to seniors that make plays or offer guidance and I haven't read about any ILB talking about Carlo being a mentor.
 

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So who is next?

Good question! I think we are closest to LJ Moore being next but I do believe it is a close race with UCLA. Then I think it boils down to whether or not Folston jumps on board or not after his visit for the BYU game. If he doesn't I am interested to see if Clement is as to join the Mob or not or if he even wants to at that point. Then you are getting very thin with availability. There are at most 4 spots remaining so take away 2 from previously discussed and that leaves A. Muhammed, L. Treadwell, Priest Willis, Cole Luke, and the gem MacKensie Alexander! There are still a couple other guys like Hooper and Khalfani Muhammed that are interested and I'm sure if the wins keep on rolling in we will see a few other names pop up. Getting exciting brother!
 

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not to change the subject, but I've not been keeping up with the recruiting news. For the sake of me not reading all 45 pages of this thread, does anyone feel like putting together a quickie summary of where we're at in terms of recruiting this class right now (who the top commits are/what they bring, number of spots left, thin areas, who we're still going after/how interested are they/what other schools are they into, who is likely back for 5th year, etc)?. 500 words or less, haha. Thanks.
 
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not to change the subject, but I've not been keeping up with the recruiting news. For the sake of me not reading all 45 pages of this thread, does anyone feel like putting together a quickie summary of where we're at in terms of recruiting this class right now (who the top commits are/what they bring, number of spots left, thin areas, who we're still going after/how interested are they/what other schools are they into, who is likely back for 5th year, etc)?. 500 words or less, haha. Thanks.

Look at the 2013 master list. I tried to do the best I can with it. I think you will enjoy the read.
 
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