'13 IL WR Laquon Treadwell (Ole Miss Verbal)

[PANDFAN]

remember Devonte Neal???....he was on our wish list which seem to fade away much like our season last year...then boom takes an official in dec.even though we didn't crack his top 10 in oct....and the rest is history...big dogs come out in the end...just win baby win...names will be popping up that we didn't really seem to have a chance w/ if we take care of business

 

[rtrn2glory]

no way would i not want cierre back for a fifth....hopefully he starts getting more involved in the offense asap

 

[Emcee77]

True about Amir, but this is his first injury, no? Don't forget, he was taking meaningful snaps for USC last year as a true frosh! That guy's going to be good. And we're a 'runningback by committee' team, so GAIII doesn't have to take 20+ carries a game. We'll be fine without Cierre next year. Don't get me wrong, he'd be our #1, but IMO, it's not even a question. I'd give up one year of Cierre for four of Laquon Tredwell, and I'd bet the house the coaches agree.

You are probably right and I am probably being overly cautious ... but just to clarify where I'm coming from, Amir had nagging injuries during his freshman season at USC, so he's been hurt for most of his college career, and if things continue to go like that then we've got GAIII, Mahone and true frosh as our only running backs, and that would make me a little uncomfortable.

Hopefully it won't come down to Cierre v. LT (it's more likely to be one of the OL or one of the ILBs v. LT), but if it does, hopefully GAIII will show me that he is growing and improving as a RB and I'll feel more confident about it by the end of the season.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

It is looking more and more like Martin and Watt will be back. They haven't really done anything to improve their draft stock. If Cierre doesn't start putting up some number his stock will likely fall as well. It is going to be very interesting to see what they do with the Carlo and Fox situation.

 

[Emcee77]

It is looking more and more like Martin and Watt will be back. They haven't really done anything to improve their draft stock. If Cierre doesn't start putting up some number his stock will likely fall as well. It is going to be very interesting to see what they do with the Carlo and Fox situation.

Right, we could have all five of those guys wanting 5th years! We have 7 spots left, and we known the staff is going to take at least one more CB and one pass rusher, so if all 5 potential fifth-years want to come back then that's when things get interesting regarding the "best available" spot.

I guess it's always possible that someone pulls a Sean Cwynar and decides he wants to move on with his life ... or Cierre could pull a Darius Walker: have a great bowl game and decide to take his chances in the draft.

 

[Irish YJ]

It is looking more and more like Martin and Watt will be back. They haven't really done anything to improve their draft stock. If Cierre doesn't start putting up some number his stock will likely fall as well. It is going to be very interesting to see what they do with the Carlo and Fox situation.

I think Wood's numbers will get a lot better. We need to give him more touches if we are going to succeed down the stretch. Even with better numbers, I think he stays. RBs are a dime a dozen right now in the NFL, and I doubt even if he breaks 1000 yards, the best he would do is late second round.

 

[GBdomer]

He's not coming here if he had any interest he would have driven the hour and fifteen minutes last week. ND could have been there watch Nyles Morgan. Just face it Quon doesn't like ND.

 

[PraetorianND]

Right, we could have all five of those guys wanting 5th years! We have 7 spots left, and we known the staff is going to take at least one more CB and one pass rusher, so if all 5 potential fifth-years want to come back then that's when things get interesting regarding the "best available" spot.

I guess it's always possible that someone pulls a Sean Cwynar and decides he wants to move on with his life ... or Cierre could pull a Darius Walker: have a great bowl game and decide to take his chances in the draft.

It would be sweet if Corey and Torii didn't take schollies and played for free. I wouldn't mind if they didn't because they clearly earned their scholarships, but it would be cool if they opened up spots for other kids.

 

[NDdomer2]

I don't think their parents should take away something they worked hard for and earned.

 

[Irish YJ]

I don't think their parents should take away something they worked hard for and earned.

They earned, they got it (the offer itself). By the parents agreeing to pay after the fact, I don't see how that is taking away anything from the kid. In fact, if I'm that kid, I know I earned it, got it, and then gave it up for the sake of the team. In reality, they are not giving anything up. It's the parents giving. Just my opinion, just looking at this logically. At worse, the kid can always brag that they got offered, but didn't need the money, which allowed someone less fortunate to come get a great education and help the team.

 

[PraetorianND]

They earned, they got it (the offer itself). By the parents agreeing to pay after the fact, I don't see how that is taking away anything from the kid. In fact, if I'm that kid, I know I earned it, got it, and then gave it up for the sake of the team. In reality, they are not giving anything up. It's the parents giving. Just my opinion, just looking at this logically. At worse, the kid can always brag that they got offered, but didn't need the money, which allowed someone less fortunate to come get a great education and help the team.

I agree with this except that bragging about being rich part (not what you meant I know). But like I said, no big deal if they don't.

This would clearly be the kids' decisions not their parents'. I just think it'd be a pretty sweet way to make your team better.

 

[NDdomer2]

Personally, I still think it sends a bad message that "daddy's rich I can have what I want." Maybe not for the offer but "to make MY team better."

 

[ALLGATOR]

He's not coming here if he had any interest he would have driven the hour and fifteen minutes last week. ND could have been there watch Nyles Morgan. Just face it Quon doesn't like ND.

I agree I dont think there is more than a 2 percent chance Treadwell goes to ND. Checking up on Nyles Morgan makes a lot of sense.

 

[PraetorianND]

Personally, I still think it sends a bad message that "daddy's rich I can have what I want." Maybe not for the offer but "to make MY team better."

I think it depends on how the kid addresses it. They could be humble and say something like "my family and I decided to pay tuition to give another player the chance to come to ND who might not have been able to otherwise."

 

[Emcee77]

They earned, they got it (the offer itself). By the parents agreeing to pay after the fact, I don't see how that is taking away anything from the kid. In fact, if I'm that kid, I know I earned it, got it, and then gave it up for the sake of the team. In reality, they are not giving anything up. It's the parents giving. Just my opinion, just looking at this logically. At worse, the kid can always brag that they got offered, but didn't need the money, which allowed someone less fortunate to come get a great education and help the team.

I can see both sides of this. The thing is, it often has as much to do with status as with money.

I mean, the cost of one semester at ND is nothing to Chris Salvi's family. His dad is a wealthy Chicago-area personal injury attorney who owns several minor league sports teams. But putting him on scholarship obviously meant a lot to him, and you don't see him saying "no thanks, BK, we can afford it." It's not the money ... it's the status.

Robinson and Hunter and their families might be willing to pay their way, but I honestly don't think that is even a good idea ... they won't feel like real members of the team, or in a class below or at least apart from the scholarship kids, even if they don't realize that now. If they are really so selfless that they want to give up their scholarships, then more power to them, but I just think that's a lot to ask, and probably not good for the kids.

 

[Ricochet]

If LT wanted to come I'm sure the staff would find away because he's that special of a WR but sadly he's made it quite clear that he doesn't have much more than passing interest in ND.

 

[PraetorianND]

I can see both sides of this. The thing is, it often has as much to do with status as with money.

I mean, the cost of one semester at ND is nothing to Chris Salvi's family. His dad is a wealthy Chicago-area personal injury attorney who owns several minor league sports teams. But putting him on scholarship obviously meant a lot to him. It's not the money ... it's the status.

Robinson and Hunter and their families might be willing to pay their way, but I honestly don't think that is even a good idea ... they won't feel like real members of the team, even if they don't realize that now. If they are really so selfless that they want to give up their scholarships, then more power to them, but I just think that's a lot to ask.

I think there is difference between a walk-on earning a scholarship (realization of being part of the team) and a highly touted recruit passing on a scholly for the sake of the team. One is a affirmation of hard work and dedication, the other is an act of selflessness from a person who is one of the most talented on the field.

 

[NDhoosier]

didnt UCLA have this exact same issue with a famous rap artist's son. I dont think the player should give up the scholarship and no one should pressure him to do so... The only way it would work is if it was his own initiative and the parents were fine with it. Being talked about by the fanbase and the media is not a positive thing for the recruit. Besides, kids like having their name on the recruiting sites and being a part of the Irishmob13 and team rankings on these websites, it makes them feel a part of the group.

also from the other side of things, it makes them feel more of a commitment. This school likes me enough that they are paying my tuition to come here and play for them, but if he played his own way, there is no sense of loyalty or commitment if things dont go his way.

 

[koonja]

didnt UCLA have this exact same issue with a famous rap artist's son. I dont think the player should give up the scholarship and no one should pressure him to do so... The only way it would work is if it was his own initiative and the parents were fine with it. Being talked about by the fanbase and the media is not a positive thing for the recruit. Besides, kids like having their name on the recruiting sites and being a part of the Irishmob13 and team rankings on these websites, it makes them feel a part of the group.

also from the other side of things, it makes them feel more of a commitment. This school likes me enough that they are paying my tuition to come here and play for them, but if he played his own way, there is no sense of loyalty or commitment if things dont go his way.

Yeah. Diddy's son.

 

[ND101]

I have seen him play very athletic but he is not anywhere in the class of of a guy that changes a program. I compare him to Daniels who we have for the next three year three years. Concrete on the corners and were set for the next five years. Go IRISH

 

[North Buffalo Irish]

IMO Floyd had better hands coming out of HS, but both are physically dominate which is 4/5 of the whole ball game at wr.

It's dominant. Dominate is a verb, dominant is an adjective.

No idea why people even bother discussing the numbers considering the way the staff has moved guys around. It's so obvious that Kelly wants to take the best athletes he can get to commit to Notre Dame, and then worry about where and how to play them after they arrive on campus.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I have seen him play very athletic but he is not anywhere in the class of of a guy that changes a program. I compare him to Daniels who we have for the next three year three years. Concrete on the corners and were set for the next five years. Go IRISH

No offense, but 1/10. Do not agree.

 

[PraetorianND]

didnt UCLA have this exact same issue with a famous rap artist's son. I dont think the player should give up the scholarship and no one should pressure him to do so... The only way it would work is if it was his own initiative and the parents were fine with it. Being talked about by the fanbase and the media is not a positive thing for the recruit. Besides, kids like having their name on the recruiting sites and being a part of the Irishmob13 and team rankings on these websites, it makes them feel a part of the group.

also from the other side of things, it makes them feel more of a commitment. This school likes me enough that they are paying my tuition to come here and play for them, but if he played his own way, there is no sense of loyalty or commitment if things dont go his way.

Nobody said he "should" give up his scholarship - also nobody suggested that he be pressured into doing it.

I disagree with your point that he'd feel no loyalty or commitment to ND. Look at Tee, the kid still loves ND and never even played a snap. I also know walk-ons who rode the pine for their entire ND careers who have commitment and loyalty to the program while paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to attend and attempt to get playing time. Meanwhile dudes like A Lynch take a full scholly, contribute, become All Americans, and then transfer out. Money isn't the determining factor for loyalty.

 

[Irishnuke]

Let's please stop talking about THJ and Corey paying their own way before people start expecting them to.

Plus it has nothing to do with Treadwell.

 

[NDinFL]

It's dominant. Dominate is a verb, dominant is an adjective.

No idea why people even bother discussing the numbers considering the way the staff has moved guys around. It's so obvious that Kelly wants to take the best athletes he can get to commit to Notre Dame, and then worry about where and how to play them after they arrive on campus.

Truth

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Corey and Torii giving up their scholarships? Ha. They have clearly earned them. Just because their fathers/families have had success to be financially stable doesnt mean that they should pay for Treadwell nor any other kid to come bc that is essentially what they would be doing. Who is to say that Corey/Torii wont be better than Treadwell in 5 years?

With that said....ND is in a lot better position than most think. I know I had a convo with a few members on this board a few months back saying the samething. There is a reason why he hasnt committed to Michigan/Ole Miss/Okla/etc. ND accomplished much in his recruitment, and he is one that you take reguardless of numbers.

 

[NDdomer2]

It's dominant. Dominate is a verb, dominant is an adjective.

I'll be sure to let Verizon know so they can fix their Swype programming.

If this kid was really interested he would have drove up for UM game like GB said.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Corey and Torii giving up their scholarships? Ha. They have clearly earned them. Just because their fathers/families have had success to be financially stable doesnt mean that they should pay for Treadwell nor any other kid to come bc that is essentially what they would be doing. Who is to say that Corey/Torii wont be better than Treadwell in 5 years?

With that said....ND is in a lot better position than most think. I know I had a convo with a few members on this board a few months back saying the samething. There is a reason why he hasnt committed to Michigan/Ole Miss/Okla/etc. ND accomplished much in his recruitment, and he is one that you take reguardless of numbers.

Agree

 

[Emcee77]

Michigan, Michigan State, Ole Miss, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State top 5. UF, Mizzou, Texas and ND also "in the mix." He has lots of visits lined up and sounds like he isn't close to a decision. He says he will come back to ND for an unofficial at some point. per Wiltfong.

 

[NDdomer2]

Imo if he didn't make it to Michigan game or this one we aren't in the cards. my prediction is ok st.