'13 NJ CB/WR Tre Bell (Vanderbilt Verbal)

[IrishLax]

2013 CB Tre Bell winds up with Vanderbilt | ONLY GATORS Get Out Alive

Hints that he was dropped by UF. Stinks because he grew up a fan of UF. He found a good program in Vanderbilt. I dont think ND would have taken him.

This is exactly what happened. As soon as Florida gained a commitment from VHIII his days were numbered... I've heard they feel quite good about where they stand with Alexander too. He didn't have a commitable offer from ND the moment we got a commitment from Devin Butler from what I've heard... no idea if that's true though.

The bigger issue for me in this, is that if Vanderbilt grows like Stanford, ND will face serious issues recruiting the south.

Think about what Vandy could potentially offer.

SEC and a great education. Best of both worlds.

They could have their pick of southern kids who are smart but don't want to leave south who ND may have swayed.

This will never happen for a lot of reasons. First and foremost Vanderbilt will never, ever win the SEC and likely will never win their division. Stanford rose to prominence by playing a very weak schedule in a down PAC12. Look at Vandy's schedule for this upcoming year... extremely hard to imagine anything better than 8-4 at best. Second, in the event that they do win 8+ games their coach will be gone almost immediately.... likely to an SEC school he managed to beat (Tennessee obviously comes to mind) or a plethora of ACC schools that will pay more money.

 

[Grahambo]

Sounds like UF dropped him to make room for Jalen Ramsey. Who is expected to decommit form USC within the next few days.

Who takes his spot at USC?

 

[Ironman8]

Who takes his spot at USC?

Possibly McQuay.

 

[IrishLax]

Wow that's a fast decommit??? What changed with Ramsey?

 

[Grahambo]

Possibly McQuay.

This is almost comical to watch.

I do wish some of these kids had ND interest and wanted to stick it to USC.

 

[ChiRish]

This is exactly what happened. As soon as Florida gained a commitment from VHIII his days were numbered... I've heard they feel quite good about where they stand with Alexander too. He didn't have a commitable offer from ND the moment we got a commitment from Devin Butler from what I've heard... no idea if that's true though.



This will never happen for a lot of reasons. First and foremost Vanderbilt will never, ever win the SEC and likely will never win their division. Stanford rose to prominence by playing a very weak schedule in a down PAC12. Look at Vandy's schedule for this upcoming year... extremely hard to imagine anything better than 8-4 at best. Second, in the event that they do win 8+ games their coach will be gone almost immediately.... likely to an SEC school he managed to beat (Tennessee obviously comes to mind) or a plethora of ACC schools that will pay more money.

Agreed. Not to mention Vanderbilt has almost zero tradition of winning, so they will have no niche that would allow them to recruit the type of athletes that could win even their division. Kids from the south grow up as Bama fans, LSU fans, Auburn fans, Georgia fans, etc.

Vandy recruiting is solid, not "scary" good right now. And it will likely never get much better. Not to mention the reason the recruiting is solid is because of Franklin, who like Lax said is gone the second a big job opens.

I think they have the ability to be a perennial bowl team, with 6-7 wins a very good season for them. I just can't imagine they can consistently pull stud southern athletes in enough to truly compete in the SEC every year.

 

[STLDomer]

Vandy is up to 19 commits after three this weekend, most are solid 3 with a couple 4, obviously if this solid class was topped off by Leon McQuay that would be amazing for them

 

[DomeLover3]

I'd like to see ALLGATOR's point of view on this subject

What do you think of programs pushing verbal commitments out?

I've read Bell didn't camp and thats the cause of his offer being retracted, but still I question, what do we think about a school retracting offers, to make room for better players?

I don't see how it can be fair when you've agreed to take his verbal.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It is not.

 

[ALLGATOR]

I'd like to see ALLGATOR's point of view on this subject

What do you think of programs pushing verbal commitments out?

I've read Bell didn't camp and thats the cause of his offer being retracted, but still I question, what do we think about a school retracting offers, to make room for better players?

I don't see how it can be fair when you've agreed to take his verbal.

Its hard because I don’t know all the facts. What I do know is all of the out of state kids that had interest either camped before or after they committed. Florida might have put a stipulation on his commitment that he still needed to camp. He was at FNL and other committed prospect such as Dillard Hawkins and Starver worked out. Out of state kids like Barnwell and Anzalone also worked out.

Florida lost another commit this week because he has grade issues and they told him to look around like Tre Bell.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Sounds like UF dropped him to make room for Jalen Ramsey. Who is expected to decommit form USC within the next few days.

No one on the USC boards is talking about that right now. It'd be great if it were true, but I'd surprised that there hasn't even been a whisper of it over there.

Who takes his spot at USC?

If Darius Rodgers gets cleared as expected, then they are already over by one right now with the addition of Silas Redd who counts against this year's class. And it's crazy because NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT!

So they are already full, and would have to push one out as it is. If someone were to decommit, USC would be full. BUt they'd probably add another player anyway, and that would be another stud in Tahaan Goodman...

 

[ALLGATOR]

No one on the USC boards is talking about that right now. It'd be great if it were true, but I'd surprised that there hasn't even been a whisper of it over there.



If Darius Rodgers gets cleared as expected, then they are already over by one right now with the addition of Silas Redd who counts against this year's class. And it's crazy because NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT!

So they are already full, and would have to push one out as it is. If someone were to decommit, USC would be full. BUt they'd probably add another player anyway, and that would be another stud in Tahaan Goodman...

or USC could take Leon McQuay III he wanted to commit a week ago.

The Jalen Ramsey thing is people running wild with a little bit of info.

Jalen wants to talk with the Florida coaches that it.

 

[ALLGATOR]

Florida coaches told him when he committed that he had to camp because his school has no spring practice so they could not evaluate him in person. He came to FNL and told the coaches he could not work out because his coach said no more until high school practice. He then proceeded to play in Gridiron kings the next day.

 

[MJ12666]

First off I think this whole process is flawed. However until it is changed, if a prospect can give a verbal and then change his mind and commits to another school, I see no reason why a coach can't change his mind before the LOI is signed and pull the offer. It could be dangerous as it may impact the coaches credibility with potential recruits, but if you win I don't think it really matters.

 

[Ndaccountant]

First off I think this whole process is flawed. However until it is changed, if a prospect can give a verbal and then change his mind and commits to another school, I see no reason why a coach can't change his mind before the LOI is signed and pull the offer. It could be dangerous as it may impact the coaches credibility with potential recruits, but if you win I don't think it really matters.

I disagree.

First off, these are places of higher education. Would schools do that with academic scholarships? Next, injuries play a role. I know schools can do that now, but they shouldn't be able to. Finally, if coaches are going to play with kids like that, I support contracts with no buyouts. Equal playing field.

 

[IrishLax]

An early signing period like basketball + a 25 signees a year limit with no overall 85 limit would fix absolutely everything. It would force every school to be honorable, remove incentive to "push kids out" like Alabama does with at least 3 a year, and put a premium on recruiting kids with high character.

 

[ALLGATOR]

An early signing period like basketball + a 25 signees a year limit with no overall 85 limit would fix absolutely everything. It would force every school to be honorable, remove incentive to "push kids out" like Alabama does with at least 3 a year, and put a premium on recruiting kids with high character.

I think Alabama would love an early signing period

 

[peoriairish]

Lax, are you suggesting 100 man rosters? That would extremely top load the game of CFB.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Lax, are you suggesting 100 man rosters? That would extremely top load the game of CFB.

Oh those were the days when ND and Oklahoma dominated.

 

[Irish#1]

Gators pulled their offer. Trey wasn't being very honest with them.

 

[stlnd01]

First off I think this whole process is flawed. However until it is changed, if a prospect can give a verbal and then change his mind and commits to another school, I see no reason why a coach can't change his mind before the LOI is signed and pull the offer. It could be dangerous as it may impact the coaches credibility with potential recruits, but if you win I don't think it really matters.

This cuts both ways, though.
If pulling offers became common practice, I think you'd see a lot fewer players committing early, because what would be the point? This would lead to even more of a scramble late in the game. This benefits the "winners," as you said, because than can go tout their ten wins to recruits. But it may also create more rushed decisions that lead to bad fits and eventual transfers. Long run it doesn't help anybody.
But, then, as you said, the whole process is flawed.

 

[chubler]

This cuts both ways, though.

I think it hurts the recruit a lot more than it hurts the coach/school.
CFB recruiting is a buyer's market, with power heavily slanted towards the schools- how do coaches get away with no-visit rules and such? I think the rules need to heavily favor the recruits because too many are left high and dry by unethical coaches.