'13 FL CB Vernon Hargreaves III (Florida Verbal)

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Recruiting victory! He didn't go to USC!

 

[irishfanjho15]

7-5 maybe 8-4 and yes he sticks unless his dad gets a new job

I only say 6-6 because I was accounting for them possibly dropping one (like most teams do) that they shouldn't. I see them going 7-5 in the regular season. Losing to LSU, FSU, UGA, SCar, and Texas A&M. But I could as easily see them winning one of the aforementioned 5 and going 8-4 in regular season. I could see them winning one of FSU (big time crap shoot rivalry game, anything goes with that one) or Texas A&M.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Think he sticks with the commitment when UF goes 6-6 or 7-5 in the regular season this year? I just don't know enough about his recruitment to know if he'll stick with a team that has a mediocre season.

It's not like we're looking at a shining season ourselves. We'd have to upset some teams and beat everyone we're supposed to in order to get to 9 wins. Same with Florida.

IF we play good football this year, we'll force some kids to open up their recruitments again. Until then, we'll continue to lose guys like Hargreaves to their local schools...

 

[Irish YJ]

Close to home, weather, chicks, they've won a few NCs in the last decade... down, but good coach with pedigree, recruiting pretty well. why is anyone confused..... I hear they have a great science department too.

 

[irishfanjho15]

It's not like we're looking at a shining season ourselves. We'd have to upset some teams and beat everyone we're supposed to in order to get to 9 wins. Same with Florida.

IF we play good football this year, we'll force some kids to open up their recruitments again. Until then, we'll continue to lose guys like Hargreaves to their local schools...

I totally agree with this. I wasn't putting down UF at all, my post directly above yours indicates that. I understand they, like our beloved Irish, have a tough road ahead of them.

IMO, I think ND will go 8-4 in the regular season. Drop games @ OK, @ USC, one of two v. UofM or @Sparty, and probably lose another one we should probably win (i.e. Stanford, BYU, Pitt, the U).

 

[NDinL.A.]

I totally agree with this. I wasn't putting down UF at all, my post directly above yours indicates that. I understand they, like our beloved Irish, have a tough road ahead of them.

IMO, I think ND will go 8-4 in the regular season. Drop games @ OK, @ USC, one of two v. UofM or @Sparty, and probably lose another one we should probably win (i.e. Stanford, BYU, Pitt, the U).

Agreed, except for we shouldn't beat Stanford. BCS team bringing just as much back as us if not more, plus they've beaten us 3 times in a row. We need to 'upset' them.

But back to Hargreaves...the guys at ISD predicted as much, so this isn't a big blow to me since you could see this one coming.

 

[NDPhilly]

Just happy Sherit hasn't Commited to them. I feel like we can make a huge impression if he officials.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Agreed, except for we shouldn't beat Stanford. BCS team bringing just as much back as us if not more, plus they've beaten us 3 times in a row. We need to 'upset' them.

But back to Hargreaves...the guys at ISD predicted as much, so this isn't a big blow to me since you could see this one coming.

I disagree about Stanford. They lost their two best position players (one of which could be the best college QB in my lifetime), the core of their offensive line, and a damn good linebacker. We lost our best player on offense and a damn good safety, but there is no way we lost as much as they did. Also, last year's Stanford team may have been coached by Shaw, but it was still Harbaugh's team. The major contributors cut their teeth with Harbaugh and probably could have had a halfway decent season coaching themselves. That isn't a knock on Shaw; he could end up being terrific (very good chance, actually). But you really can't know that based on last season with the veteran talent they had.

Stanford's 2012 class was awesome, but the classes before them were just good, not great. This year looks like a bridge year for Stanford, and it's a game ND should win at home. We've lost to worse teams recently, so it isn't a lock obviously. But I think Stanford is getting too much credit for a team with a nucleus that hasn't done a ton.

 

[anarin]

Cant be upset with seeing this. This dude was never coming here. It was slim to none and none won out.

 

[luckoftheirish11]

Thank God I no longer have a reason to follow him on Twitter. I think he's tweeted upwards of 30 times the last 3 hours.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

It's just not fair...we don't get anyone at CB and Florida pulls Vernon Poole, Tre Bell, Valdez Showers and Cody Riggs (Who is a star now!)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It's just not fair...we don't get anyone at CB and Florida pulls Vernon Poole, Tre Bell, Valdez Showers and Cody Riggs (Who is a star now!)

Just wondering if it could have to do with what the school represents, the defense we run and/or the no bull shiit recruiting attitude of our coaches. Cornerback seems to be a position of a different mentality, one lined up with the fast pay, or immediate gratification that we seem to do so poorly with. Wasn't this a floated theory for losing so many big time defensive linemen up until three or four seasons ago?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Just wondering if it could have to do with what the school represents, the defense we run and/or the no bull shiit recruiting attitude of our coaches. Cornerback seems to be a position of a different mentality, one lined up with the fast pay, or immediate gratification that we seem to do so poorly with. Wasn't this a floated theory for losing so many big time defensive linemen up until three or four seasons ago?

Makes sense...One thing I will say about Weis is that he got 4 4* corners. Walls, Gray, McNiel and Banks.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Makes sense...One thing I will say about Weis is that he got 4 4* corners. Walls, Gray, McNiel and Banks.

......

 

[beryirish]

Makes sense...One thing I will say about Weis is that he got 4 4* corners. Walls, Gray, McNiel and Banks.

......

haha I was going to say....he got the shiny star corners but...yeah

 

[Irish Fam]

We have two four star corners in this class. And we had two consensus four star corners in our last class and signed one.

I forget who it was exactly, but a poster on here pointed out where the top corners in last years draft were rated coming out of high school and a good number of them were ranked pretty low. It is a position that is so hard to gauge from high school to college. Many of the projected top corners do not go up against very good quarterbacks and/or wide receivers.


I hope that we use these resources elsewhere.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Makes sense...One thing I will say about Weis is that he got 4 4* corners. Walls, Gray, McNiel and Banks.

Since Kelly's rebranding, after the above listed recruites were at ND, and after the defensive scheme changed, our best corner, who looks to me to be elite in tallent afterall and is a Kelly recruit from his first year, Bennett Jackson, was recruited at wide receiver, but who else? Hellfire, Banks left. And Bennet is posterchild for Kelly finding a player his "right" position.

You are seeing guys fill the mold like Lo who must have something pretty special because he does not fit the advertised physical requirements, and Josh, who is coming along. Nobody else seems to have that elite smack, even though I am rooting for Jalen and Cam. I think they both could end up pretty solid.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Since Kelly's rebranding, after the above listed recruites were at ND, and after the defensive scheme changed, our best corner, who looks to me to be elite in tallent afterall and is a Kelly recruit from his first year, Bennett Jackson, was recruited at wide receiver, but who else? Hellfire, Banks left. And Bennet is posterchild for Kelly finding a player his "right" position.

You are seeing guys fill the mold like Lo who must have something pretty special because he does not fit the advertised physical requirements, and Josh, who is coming along. Nobody else seems to have that elite smack, even though I am rooting for Jalen and Cam. I think they both could end up pretty solid.

Remember Bennett Jackson committed to Charlie Weis.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Remember Bennett Jackson committed to Charlie Weis.

No, I didn't but it was that both guy class. And I think Kelly reviews all the committments. But that is why I made the key point that Bennett was a wr and special teamer, wallowing in anonimity. Kelly, Martin, Cooks, Diaco, etc., were the ones that put his career on the right track.

Kind of makes my whole original point that much steeper, doesn't it? Who as corner then, Josh and Justin?

 

[IrishLax]

It's just not fair...we don't get anyone at CB and Florida pulls Vernon Poole, Tre Bell, Valdez Showers and Cody Riggs (Who is a star now!)

By all accounts Butler took Tre Bell's spot and that was that. All things considered, if Florida lands another top prospect and we have room near the end of the class... who knows, I could definitely see us getting back in play there.

 

[beryirish]

is it clear yet where Mathias is playing? WR - DB???

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

is it clear yet where Mathias is playing? WR - DB???

Safety.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

is it clear yet where Mathias is playing? WR - DB???

Safety I believe, over corner, but I think the defensive side is set.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Safety.

I could see him getting moved to corner. With the depth of the safety position from the incoming class and the lack of depth at corner. Anyone else agree?

 

[IrishLax]

EDIT: Way late to the party.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

I could see him getting moved to corner. With the depth of the safety position from the incoming class and the lack of depth at corner. Anyone else agree?

Possibly, but I think they try your boy Russell and Prosise and Hardy there before Mathias.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That was my feeling. But I don't know shiit about this kind of thing. My thought is that Kelly likes his db's skills to overlap. He likes them oversized, long and lankey. But above that I am at a loss. Part of that is not knowing how Martin moving to offense, and Elliott coming in, if that will change things with Cooks or whatnot.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Possibly, but I think they try your boy Russell and Prosise and Hardy there before Mathias.

lol my boy Russell...I think that kids body type and fluid hips is perfect for a lock down corner.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

lol my boy Russell...I think that kids body type and fluid hips is perfect for a lock down corner.

We lack experience (and possibly talent) at CB, but we've got #s for 2013 and beyond-- currently 7/8 assuming Kinlaw and Butler stick.

RB/ Z WR is the exact opposite. Lots of talent (and possibly experience, depending on how much the underclassmen play this season), but low #s-- with our current commits, we'll likely only have 5/8 for 2013. If Russell to CB prompts a move by McDaniel back to RB/ Z WR, that'd help things somewhat

Still, losing any of our current RB/ Z WRs makes me nervous.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

We lack experience (and possibly talent) at CB, but we've got #s for 2013 and beyond-- currently 7/8 assuming Kinlaw and Butler stick.

RB/ Z WR is the exact opposite. Lots of talent (and possibly experience, depending on how much the underclassmen play this season), but low #s-- with our current commits, we'll likely only have 5/8 for 2013. If Russell to CB prompts a move by McDaniel back to RB/ Z WR, that'd help things somewhat

Still, losing any of our current RB/ Z WRs makes me nervous.

I hear that.

Russell will be a good player wherever he plays, I just think he could be elite at corner.