Quarterback Competition Update (4-11-11)

[BMT]

What likely happens all the time unfortunately is somebody gets hurt, gets in trouble, or transfers. Just look at last year-3 QBS had somewhat of a chance and really none seized the opportunity.

I am hoping for Golson, Kiel-with Tommy to redshirt this year- creating 2 more years as backup-good for him and ND because I am pretty sure he does not have NFL size/arm strength/speed. Also, you could run 2 styles of offense with those 2 if you wanted to mix it up a bit. Thats Golsen-Kiel. I think BK will end his ND career if continues with a game manager type QB, especially with the turnovers. Not sure about Hendrix, something seems to mechanical or non fluid.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Kiel would watch for 4 seasons and have a one year stint.

So you are saying Golson is at ND for his 5th year?

 

[returnofthemack]

I'll be really surprised if at least one of them doesn't transfer. You can't stockpile 4 and 5 star QBs and expect them to hang around hoping for 1 year of playing time. Yeah, you need QB depth, but getting an elite, highly-recruited QB every year doesn't work. Hendrix is running out of time and I think the only thing keeping him here is his Premed major. If Rees starts, I think Hendrix transfers, and Kiel or Golson transfers the year after.

 

[IrishLax]

Too many variables. Transfers are quite unlikely if Tommy wins job (maybe one guy not named Kiel might leave). If Golson wins job you could see literally everyone transfer hypothetically. If Hendrix wins job you're almost sure to keep at least Kiel.

 

[returnofthemack]

Too many variables. Transfers are quite unlikely if Tommy wins job (maybe one guy not named Kiel might leave). If Golson wins job you could see literally everyone transfer hypothetically. If Hendrix wins job you're almost sure to keep at least Kiel.

That's an interesting take. I was thinking Hendrix/Golson get angry when Kelly names Rees the starter, they know Kelly won't pull Rees, and one of them transfers. I agree that if Golson starts, Hendrix will transfer, and maybe Kiel. Why do you think transfers are unlikely if Rees gets the job?

 

[BMT]

Dont see Rees transfering, whats the point-no nfl-play at Northern X State? Hendrix likely not NfL caliber either-on track for med school and I assume MCATS this year or next, not a great upside or time to transfer- Golson too better off staying-may have a phenominal career which I think possible, but would have to make NFL as an "athlete" type. Really transfering in my eyes not a great option for any of these guys- do to above- unless have some burning desire to play at Delaware, Montana, or N. Iowa.


Remember Demetrius Jones? Matt Careful-we will see about Lynch-sometimes players dont thrive in other situations.

 

[IrishLax]

That's an interesting take. I was thinking Hendrix/Golson get angry when Kelly names Rees the starter, they know Kelly won't pull Rees, and one of them transfers. I agree that if Golson starts, Hendrix will transfer, and maybe Kiel. Why do you think transfers are unlikely if Rees gets the job?

Because I think all 3 of the other QBs will be confident that they are more physically talented than Rees/that Tommy will struggle and get pulled/even if he starts for the whole season they'll have a chance to unseat him next year/both Hendrix and Golson have a strong probability of being used in ever-expanding packages if Rees is named starter. So to break it down by perspectives...

Hendrix: Got PT last year, strong chance of red zone/part time duty if Rees is named starter, already precedent of Rees getting pulled for Hendrix (Stanford, FSU) when Rees is struggling to move offense.

Golson: Still will have ability to be 2 year starter even if Rees plays full time the next two seasons and being a 2 year starter is about all you can ask for in college, possibility of being used in packages, does not have an NFL build and will therefor be more inclined to stay put than someone of a Gunner Kiel build.

Kiel: If Tommy is named starter still has the ability to RS and be a 3/4 year starter. No incentive to transfer. Almost all QBs redshirt their freshman year (Luck, Griffin III, etc.) with very few exceptions (Clausen, Barkley) who don't RS more because of a lack of competence in front of them than anything else.

That's just my whole conjecture on the scenario. I try to put myself in their shoes and think what I would do.

 

[irishog77]

As already stated, transferring is certainly a possibility. So, yeah, you gotta keep bringing in QB's basically every cycle. There's also a high probability that at least 1 (if not more) of these QB's won't pan out as a decent QB. QB's, just like every other position, aren't immune to not living up to expectations or underperformance. So again, you gotta keep trying to reel them in to your school.

 

[returnofthemack]

Because I think all 3 of the other QBs will be confident that they are more physically talented than Rees/that Tommy will struggle and get pulled/even if he starts for the whole season they'll have a chance to unseat him next year/both Hendrix and Golson have a strong probability of being used in ever-expanding packages if Rees is named starter. So to break it down by perspectives...

Hendrix: Got PT last year, strong chance of red zone/part time duty if Rees is named starter, already precedent of Rees getting pulled for Hendrix (Stanford, FSU) when Rees is struggling to move offense.

Golson: Still will have ability to be 2 year starter even if Rees plays full time the next two seasons and being a 2 year starter is about all you can ask for in college, possibility of being used in packages, does not have an NFL build and will therefor be more inclined to stay put than someone of a Gunner Kiel build.

Kiel: If Tommy is named starter still has the ability to RS and be a 3/4 year starter. No incentive to transfer. Almost all QBs redshirt their freshman year (Luck, Griffin III, etc.) with very few exceptions (Clausen, Barkley) who don't RS more because of a lack of competence in front of them than anything else.

That's just my whole conjecture on the scenario. I try to put myself in their shoes and think what I would do.

Makes sense. If I was in their shoes I doubt I could think with the requisite clarity to stay at ND - I'd be too angry that Rees was named starter.

 

[woolybug25]

Kiel would watch for 4 seasons and have a one year stint.

There are far too many variables to project how it will happen, but I promise you this situation will not happen. Go look at top QB's through the years, they either play relatively early, or they transfer. Happens to all of them.

 

[PANDFAN]

look at what USC has done for years...before barkley..they had guys play 2 years at max...they just reload...hopefully something that can happen at ND

 

[woolybug25]

look at what USC has done for years...before barkley..they had guys play 2 years at max...they just reload...hopefully something that can happen at ND

But look at Barkley... he started as a freshman. As I said, look historically at #1 QB's over the last decade or so. They don't wait long to play or they transfer, it's just a statistical fact.

 

[Josh007]

look at what USC has done for years...before barkley..they had guys play 2 years at max...they just reload...hopefully something that can happen at ND

I think it will soon because of Kelly. I lot of haters don't like the way he coaches QBs, especially during the game, but kids get into that stuff. They see the hard work ethic and know it will pay off.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

If Golson starts and has a productive year winning 9 or more games it would be pretty tough to take the job away from him.

 

[returnofthemack]

I absolutely understand the points other posters were making in favor of taking a good QB every year. I just don't think ND is at the level necessary to keep those QBs on the roster. To keep more than 2-3 highly-regarded QBs on the team at the same time with little separation in eligibility, the team needs to be playing at an elite level, the coach has to establish himself as more than able to handle and support great talent, and the school itself has to be massively appealing. ND is not playing at an elite level currently, BK has not shown that he can handle QBs well at ND, and ND is not appealing in many areas. ND is elite academically, has a gorgeous campus, and a great alumni network. However, South Bend is not a fun town, there aren't too many hot girls, and the weather sucks. The guys that are career backups at USC are good and could probably start for other teams, but they won't mind as much because they're at a decent school, they're surrounded by hot girls, they're a short distance from Los Angeles, they can go to the beach and enjoy fantastic weather.

 

[BobD]

Those of you that think there is nothing to do in Indiana have never heard of a game called "Cornhole".

It beats the beach anyday.

 

[JD Irish]

Regarding the "there aren't any attractive women at ND" argument, I would have agreed with that my freshman year (2008-2009). However, the incoming classes over the past few years have had some really beautiful girls. By the time I finished my senior year, I was amazed by how many great-looking women there were on campus compared to just four years ago. Both my father and my brother who came to graduation this May told me that they had never seen so many gorgeous women -- my dad even said that he didn't see a single ugly girl in his three days on campus.

Also, one thing that you can be assured at ND is that just about everyone is extremely fit, and even though the southern schools and USC undoubtedly have some awesome girls, I would feel very safe betting that they also have significantly more fat girls than ND.

Is this too blunt/insensitive/non-PC? I'll edit/delete if it is.

 

[woolybug25]

Whether there are good looking girls at ND has at best a loose connection to the QB competition. Let's stay on topic, shall we?

There is a thread somewhere for the "Does South Bend Suck" debate.

 

[BobD]

Indiana is awesome. Like anywhere else, its what you make of it. I live in California but catch myself missing Indiana almost everyday.

My wife thinks it funny that I keep my Indiana 317 area code on my cell phone.

 

[woolybug25]

D@mn it, Bob...

 

[dshans]

Those of you that think there is nothing to do in Indiana have never heard of a game called "Cornhole".

I'm going to assume that you are referring to a game involving bean bags and targets with a slanted surface with a single, round opening. Way back in the '60's, when I was a pre-teen and teen, the term "cornhole" had a much different meaning.

 

[BobD]

D@mn it, Bob...

I know, your right. I noticed it after I had already posted....sorry. Back to the QB's!

and reps

 

[RDU Irish]

I thought cornhole was a Penn State game? (as if if that isn't guaranteed to be deleted)

Ooops, back to QBs.

Goooooooo Golson!

 

[returnofthemack]

Regarding the "there aren't any attractive women at ND" argument, I would have agreed with that my freshman year (2008-2009). However, the incoming classes over the past few years have had some really beautiful girls. By the time I finished my senior year, I was amazed by how many great-looking women there were on campus compared to just four years ago. Both my father and my brother who came to graduation this May told me that they had never seen so many gorgeous women -- my dad even said that he didn't see a single ugly girl in his three days on campus.

Also, one thing that you can be assured at ND is that just about everyone is extremely fit, and even though the southern schools and USC undoubtedly have some awesome girls, I would feel very safe betting that they also have significantly more fat girls than ND.

Is this too blunt/insensitive/non-PC? I'll edit/delete if it is.

That's a good point. Girls at ND aren't ugly and most are pretty fit. The thing is, ND has a lot of girls in the 7/8 range, but few hotter than that. USC definitely has ugly girls, but they're vastly outnumbered. They also have plenty of girls in the 9/10 range. And these posts have relevance because attractive women help to keep talent, as chauvinistic as that might sound. As far as our QB competition, I'm definitely a Golson supporter, but I'll be fine if Hendrix wins.

 

[woolybug25]

That's a good point. Girls at ND aren't ugly and most are pretty fit. The thing is, ND has a lot of girls in the 7/8 range, but few hotter than that. USC definitely has ugly girls, but they're vastly outnumbered. They also have plenty of girls in the 9/10 range. And these posts have relevance because attractive women help to keep talent, as chauvinistic as that might sound. As far as our QB competition, I'm definitely a Golson supporter, but I'll be fine if Hendrix wins.

Dude...

 

[returnofthemack]

I'm done, I swear haha

 

[Black Irish]

This thread is confusing me. Are the QBs starting chances being determined by hotness?

 

[NDPhilly]

If tommy starts this year than I think Kiel starts 2013.

 

[nlroma1o]

If tommy starts this year than I think Kiel starts 2013.

I will start crying if Rees is the starter... I just don't think i could handle it again.

If Tommy is the starter and Golson doesn't get the reps, I could maybe see him transfering, but i dont think Hendrix is going to go anywhere.

I pray that this wont happen... I think many of us will be pleasantly surprised with Golson

 

[BobD]

I think if BK named Rees the starter, we might have rioting in the streets.