Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Cackalacky]

I think Kelly will get cut loose, and I won't disagree with that. But, before Kelly fired BVG and had to take over the defense, the offense was averaging 500 yards and 40 points a game. IF Kelly stays, and they are able to bring in a high quality Defensive Coordinator, I think ND will be ok. It certainly should be able to compete for 10+ wins. But if you can't find a high quality DC, then I think you have to move on completely with the coaching staff.

I don't disagree with what you are saying but what I meant was the overall BS that has plagued this team since day 1. Atrocious special teams, inconsistent QB performance, bonehead play calling, lack of discipline, flawed fundamentals etc. Coaching to not lose and in general getting out coached and out played by inferior teams. It's time for him to go but he will probably be back IMO .

 

[greyhammer90]

FUCK

Agreed. We need a top 5 DC and he's the only one that I would say is realistic at this time.

 

[kmoose]

I don't disagree with what you are saying but what I meant was the overall BS that has plagued this team since day 1. Atrocious special teams, inconsistent QB performance, bonehead play calling, lack of discipline, flawed fundamentals etc. Coaching to not lose and in general getting out coached and out played by inferior teams. It's time for him to go but he will probably be back IMO .

Be honest with yourself, though. If ND was winning 11 games a year, the rest of this stuff wouldn't be worth upsetting the apple cart for. You might not like to see it, but you certainly wouldn't be calling for a coaching change. So, if you find a DC who can hold teams under 30 pts per game, and Kelly goes back to having the offense average 40+ per game, then we will be winning 11 games a year, and those "little" things will be less important. Then we can sit on this board and say, "I know we are nitpicking, but............." and be happy about the season.

 

[kmoose]

Agreed. We need a top 5 DC.....

I don't think that's true.

 

[GATTACA!]

Agreed. We need a top 5 DC and he's the only one that I would say is realistic at this time.

Yeah pretty much. I think that list is 3 maybe 4 people long.

Dave Aranda
Charlie Strong
Don Brown
and maybe Brent Venables

With Aranda staying at LSU I don't think any of those 4 are realistic.

Edit: Oh i'd probably add Kevin Steele to that list as well.

 

[Cackalacky]

Be honest with yourself, though. If ND was winning 11 games a year, the rest of this stuff wouldn't be worth upsetting the apple cart for. You might not like to see it, but you certainly wouldn't be calling for a coaching change. So, if you find a DC who can hold teams under 30 pts per game, and Kelly goes back to having the offense average 40+ per game, then we will be winning 11 games a year, and those "little" things will be less important. Then we can sit on this board and say, "I know we are nitpicking, but............." and be happy about the season.

When have we won 11 games in seven years?*** And yes I have been internally desiring a coaching change since 2014. I am being honest. You can't win 11 games with ND's typical schedule not doing the little things right in all phases of the game.

 

[kmoose]

When have we won 11 games in seven years?*** And yes I have been internally desiring a coaching change since 2014. I am being honest. You can't win 11 games with ND's typical schedule not doing the little things right in all phases of the game.

I'm just saying........ if you average 40+ points a game, and hold your opponents under 30 points a game; you are going to win an awful lot of games.

 

[NCND]

What "Top 5 DC" gonna come when the HC's job security is on the line? NONE.

 

[mango4]

When have we won 11 games in seven years?*** And yes I have been internally desiring a coaching change since 2014. I am being honest. You can't win 11 games with ND's typical schedule not doing the little things right in all phases of the game.

They literally won 12 games 4 years ago. And 10 last year and the 2 losses in the regular season were by a combined 4 points. I'm not going to be upset if they change coaches but Kelly has had some success.


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[Cackalacky]

I'm just saying........ if you average 40+ points a game, and hold your opponents under 30 points a game; you are going to win an awful lot of games.

This might be the only year in seven years we have averaged over 40 points per game. Not sure we are even doing that now. Just saying. BK is NOT a solution. I do not trust him to bring in a DC outside his family.

 

[NDRock]

Be honest with yourself, though. If ND was winning 11 games a year, the rest of this stuff wouldn't be worth upsetting the apple cart for. You might not like to see it, but you certainly wouldn't be calling for a coaching change. So, if you find a DC who can hold teams under 30 pts per game, and Kelly goes back to having the offense average 40+ per game, then we will be winning 11 games a year, and those "little" things will be less important. Then we can sit on this board and say, "I know we are nitpicking, but............." and be happy about the season.

The problem (as I see it), is we aren't just a good DC away from consistent 11 win seasons. Kelly has shown no desire to have good/great special teams. His offense doesn't suit the strengths of ND (no use of the TE, too pass happy) and we have had big holes in recruiting. This aren't "little things". These are big problems that have plagued the team for most of his tenure. I'm not confident he'll suddenly address them. Hope he does though.

 

[Cackalacky]

They literally won 12 games 4 years ago. And 10 last year. I'm not going to be upset if they change coaches but Kelly has had some success.


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Please note the asterisk. Those games don't count presently. And the 12 win season was not due to the offense as kmoose is inferring as it was the defense that primarily the source for the winning those games. Kelly is a .560 coach at ND. No better

 

[IrishinSyria]

What "Top 5 DC" gonna come when the HC's job security is on the line? NONE.

BVG was a "top DC." Give me a young guy whose trying to make a name for himself and who isn't married to complex system any day.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Yeah pretty much. I think that list is 3 maybe 4 people long.

Dave Aranda
Charlie Strong
Don Brown
and maybe Brent Venables

With Aranda staying at LSU I don't think any of those 4 are realistic.

Edit: Oh i'd probably add Kevin Steele to that list as well.

Charlie Strong and Mike Elko.

Would be nice to have Charlie Strong back in South Bend.


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[greyhammer90]

I don't think that's true.

I don't think we need a top 5 defense to win a NC, but a top 5 DC it's needed for me because our natural recruiting deficiencies just so happen to be the most important positions on the defense in this age of football.

 

[irishff1014]

What "Top 5 DC" gonna come when the HC's job security is on the line? NONE.

One that's setting himself up to take over.

 

[ScooterIrish]

BVG was a "top DC." Give me a young guy whose trying to make a name for himself and who isn't married to complex system any day.

No he wasn't. Not even close to a top DC

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

One that's setting himself up to take over.

I think that could work but I just don't see any of the big 'names' wanting to work for Kelly. There would be absolutely zero insentive to working for Brian Kelly. There is a reason we got BVG and and outside of Sanford ( who he won't let have any control) is either part of his coaching tree or connected to ND.

 

[IrishLax]

Staff has a lot of really good coaches on that. Assuming Kelly staying, the overhaul doesn't need to be drastic. That would not give us the best chance of success next year.

The reason the team sucked this year isn't that Kelly became a worse coach than 2012 or 2015. The reason is that the team is bereft of talent, and the DC Kelly hired a few years ago was a HORRIBLE addition, and we did a crap job in the offseason of preparing the offense to have an identity. In the short term it doesn't really matter who gets hired and who gets fired because there's no "fix" to the talent problem.

With the right DC I think we can win 10+ games next year if we stay healthy like we did this season. I think the talent is there on offense, and the coaches are good on that side of the ball too. Only position that's questionable is WR. On defense, you can make a case for firing everyone, but I like what Lyght has done this year.

 

[Number3rockin]

Im in the opinion that Kelly needs to go. Every week we make opposing players look like they should win the heisman. Not to mention almost any new(freshman or not) QB looks great against us. I'm watching the same nd games, what games are people watching that seriously think Kelly is the answer? I'm seriously asking bc I loved Kelly but it's gotten bad.

Coaching is seriously flawed at nd. I believe we had the talent this year and next year etc...but nearly every week we get out coached. Every week Kelly says coaches gotta coach better but...?
I started feeling it with our clear lack of adjustments vs Texas, nc st sealed the deal for me...
Let's kick the ball to adoree?!?!!?!

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Staff has a lot of really good coaches on that. Assuming Kelly staying, the overhaul doesn't need to be drastic. That would not give us the best chance of success next year.

The reason the team sucked this year isn't that Kelly became a worse coach than 2012 or 2015. The reason is that the team is bereft of talent, and the DC Kelly hired a few years ago was a HORRIBLE addition, and we did a crap job in the offseason of preparing the offense to have an identity. In the short term it doesn't really matter who gets hired and who gets fired because there's no "fix" to the talent problem.

With the right DC I think we can win 10+ games next year if we stay healthy like we did this season. I think the talent is there on offense, and the coaches are good on that side of the ball too. Only position that's questionable is WR. On defense, you can make a case for firing everyone, but I like what Lyght has done this year.

Fire everyone on defense except Lyght and Elston. Fire Booker and Longo!

We both agree that WR was very inconsistent this year. But, I don't think it's as dire a situation as you are making it, because the group was very young with little experience.

I would welcome Tori Hunter back next year for his experience and work ethic. ESB, Stepherson, Sanders and Finke (yes Finke) will have a year of experience under their belt. Add in McKinley, Chase and Alize and that is not a bad unit. Corey Holmes still can't catch the ball and Boykins has been a disappointment so far, so not expecting much from them. Do agree we need to pickup the WR recruiting. Have to hold onto Pouncey and Michael Young. Then need to land Martin and Calvin; class should be good if those 4 come aboard.


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[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y sources: Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly exploring options through representatives <a href="https://t.co/kofy4Chp7P">https://t.co/kofy4Chp7P</a></p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/802710965267689472">November 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Seems similar to the smoke screen put out about LSU looking at Kelly.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Y sources: Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly exploring options through representatives <a href="https://t.co/kofy4Chp7P">https://t.co/kofy4Chp7P</a></p>— Pat Forde (@YahooForde) <a href="https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/802710965267689472">November 27, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Seems similar to the smoke screen put out about LSU looking at Kelly.

So from all accounts, Willingham would be back for the next year after his last, but then he started flirting with other jobs and was promptly fired. Why SHOULD this be any different after a shitty year? If he wants to look, dump his ass. He won't be getting a raise this year.

 

[IrishLion]

What does BK need a smoke-screen for though?

Unless ND found out he was shopping himself, and THEY leaked it to get the wheels turning.

 

[greyhammer90]

What does BK need a smoke-screen for though?

Unless ND found out he was shopping himself, and THEY leaked it to get the wheels turning.

Count me in as a confused guy.

 

[Meatloaf]

So from all accounts, Willingham would be back for the next year after his last, but then he started flirting with other jobs and was promptly fired. Why SHOULD this be any different after a shitty year? If he wants to look, dump his ass. He won't be getting a raise this year.

I think you're getting at something here and I honestly wonder if he's doing this to force ND's hand into firing him. Seems like ND wants to retain him but BK wants to take that buyout money and get a fresh start elsewhere.

 

[cody1smith]

Kelly exploring other coaching options. This gonna get real

 

[cody1smith]

Report: Brian Kelly to explore coaching options away from Notre Dame | theScore.com

 

[greyhammer90]

Report: Brian Kelly to explore coaching options away from Notre Dame | theScore.com

I hate articles like that. "I just read an article on Yahoo sports let me tell you what it said"

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think there will be a mutual parting ways.

The question is who will be the next coach of Notre Dame?


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