Who Are Your 4?

[pumpdog20]

I guarantee Alabama, Oregon, FSU, and tOSU... book it.

 

[irishtrain]

I know one thing I bet teams are glad they don't have to deal with TCU/Baylor offenses. They damn sure would score points on all the 4 finalists. Alabama will kill OSU and Oregon is going to get an eyebrow raiser when they see how good FSU really is.

 

[Rhode Irish]

If FSU is good why haven't they showed it so far in twelve games? I agree with including them because they are defending champs and they're undefeated, but I don't think anyone really thinks they're one of the best handful of teams in the country.

 

[IrishinSyria]

If FSU is good why haven't they showed it so far in twelve games? I agree with including them because they are defending champs and they're undefeated, but I don't think anyone really thinks they're one of the best handful of teams in the country.

I'm skeptical, but there's something to be said for a team that just doesn't lose.

 

[GATTACA!]

If FSU is good why haven't they showed it so far in twelve games? I agree with including them because they are defending champs and they're undefeated, but I don't think anyone really thinks they're one of the best handful of teams in the country.

THEY HAVE! They haven't lost a single game. Name me another power 5 school that can say that?? If the season was one giant playoff FSU would be the champs. Ranking FSU 3rd sets a horrible example going forward that winning isn't that important. Forget a school like Boise St ever making it into the playoffs now even if they are undefeated.

Sports are about winners and losers FSU i the only team in the nation that doesn't have a loss.

 

[Rhode Irish]

THEY HAVE! They haven't lost a single game. Name me another power 5 school that can say that?? If the season was one giant playoff FSU would be the champs. Ranking FSU 3rd sets a horrible example going forward that winning isn't that important. Forget a school like Boise St ever making it into the playoffs now even if they are undefeated.

Sports are about winners and losers FSU i the only team in the nation that doesn't have a loss.

So if Marshall hadn't lost two weeks ago they'd have been #1 or #2 in your mind? Marshall may have played a more difficult schedule than FSU. If you're judging teams that play different opponents then you have to look at more than just the record.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I know one thing I bet teams are glad they don't have to deal with TCU/Baylor offenses. They damn sure would score points on all the 4 finalists. Alabama will kill OSU and Oregon is going to get an eyebrow raiser when they see how good FSU really is.

Don't know if Fla St will beat Oregon but I like their matchups against the Ducks. Should be entertaining.

 

[Ndaccountant]

So if Marshall hadn't lost two weeks ago they'd have been #1 or #2 in your mind? Marshall may have played a more difficult schedule than FSU. If you're judging teams that play different opponents then you have to look at more than just the record.

I think the most important thing is looking not only who you beat, but who did they beat as well. When I look at OSU, they played one good ooc game and lost, then beat up on the big ten. How did the big ten fare this year against power 5 teams ooc? Not good. The two best games were probly Indiana over Missouri and the one half msu had against Oregon. The acc had wins over Notre dame, OSU, Georgia, south Carolina, Florida, and others off the top of my head. The PAC 12 had Notre Dame, uva, texas and sparty, though the strength of that last one is still in question. The big12 had Tennessee, Minnesota and not much else.

So, I think you can say the sec had the best ooc wins followed by the acc. The pac12 and big 12 are better than the big10, though all three are lousy.

What this tells me is that FSU should be no worse than 2, though being 1 is debatable. I also think rewarding OSU for beating up on a conference that got beat up in the ooc is wrong, considering they lost to a bad vt team. OSU best wins were against teams that have done literally nothing except beat up on lowly big10 teams.

It also tells me that the committee is putting too much emphasis on the eye test. With all the conference games, a power house in a shit conference should look dominate. Plus, there is a preconceived notion of how good teams are based on their reputation that is clouding opinions. Nobody can convince me that sparty belongs where they do, so what did they do on the field to warrant that rating? In the end, we got 4 teams that everyone at the start of the year had penciled in as contenders.

 

[aubeirish]

So if Marshall hadn't lost two weeks ago they'd have been #1 or #2 in your mind? Marshall may have played a more difficult schedule than FSU. If you're judging teams that play different opponents then you have to look at more than just the record.

They don't play the same kind of opponents. Apple and oranges if you ask me. As fans, we downplay the fact that it is really hard to win games at this kind of level, in any sport really. Going undefeated with parity emerging in the top tier of college football is outstanding. Anybody who has played high level sports can tell you that the margin(points) of victory shouldn't matter. It is why it is so damn hard to stay a champion. Your head is constantly the prize. FSU came out of there still undefeated. They is no way you can take a team like that out of the playoffs. As much as we despise them...

 

[blackirish]

Same. If talking "best" 4 I might drop FSU for Ohio State.

But Ohio State does not deserve to get in. That loss to VT is unforgivable, and on top of that people forget a couple weeks ago they needed OT and some seriously horrific officiating to beat Penn State. They're not as good as people think... nor are TCU or Baylor... and the worst of the 6 in "strength" is the only one who's undefeated.

So I've got your 4, in order.

I agree with this assesment.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I think the most important thing is looking not only who you beat, but who did they beat as well. When I look at OSU, they played one good ooc game and lost, then beat up on the big ten. How did the big ten fare this year against power 5 teams ooc? Not good. The two best games were probly Indiana over Missouri and the one half msu had against Oregon. The acc had wins over Notre dame, OSU, Georgia, south Carolina, Florida, and others off the top of my head. The PAC 12 had Notre Dame, uva, texas and sparty, though the strength of that last one is still in question. The big12 had Tennessee, Minnesota and not much else.

So, I think you can say the sec had the best ooc wins followed by the acc. The pac12 and big 12 are better than the big10, though all three are lousy.

What this tells me is that FSU should be no worse than 2, though being 1 is debatable. I also think rewarding OSU for beating up on a conference that got beat up in the ooc is wrong, considering they lost to a bad vt team. OSU best wins were against teams that have done literally nothing except beat up on lowly big10 teams.

It also tells me that the committee is putting too much emphasis on the eye test. With all the conference games, a power house in a shit conference should look dominate. Plus, there is a preconceived notion of how good teams are based on their reputation that is clouding opinions. Nobody can convince me that sparty belongs where they do, so what did they do on the field to warrant that rating? In the end, we got 4 teams that everyone at the start of the year had penciled in as contenders.

We are in agreement about OSU.

 

[blackirish]

How are they not though? Auburn had a worse loss that year and the win against Bama was clearly flukey. If you look at the TCU Baylor game, the real fluke was that TCU was in the game at all. Even when Baylor was down big, they were statistically dominating the game and a few special teams plays and turnovers had given TCU their big lead.

Anyway, I don't see how any playoff system can ignore head to head. After all, if h2h didn't count, we'd all be speaking German...

Oklahoma's loss makes me think that Ohio State might have the best case to be in. Their loss came on the first game of the year and their wins over Sparty and Wisconsin are at least as good as TCU's wins over KSU and Oklahoma.


ETA:

What I think it will be

1.Bama
2.Ducks
3.TCU
4.FSU

What I think it should be

1.FSU
2.Ducks
3.Bama
4.OSU or Baylor

True, but you ( ohio st. ) lost to a not very good Va. Tech team and I'll give them that they were starting a Fr.QB but the defense did not look impressive at all in that game because Va.Tech controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball, granted FSU hasn't look impressive in just about any of their wins but the fact remains they're the NC''s of 2014 and didn't lose this season.

 

[RDU Irish]

OSU edging a Big 12 representative is pure BS. Oregon, FSU and Bama are obvious and the ranking within the 4 doesn't really matter to me, this year in particular where I think you have more parity. In years past where there was a clear #1 and a big drop off from there I can see a reason to argue the order of #1 - #4 but this year I don't see it.