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It is a very real possibility they fire him before season's end. With the way the recruiting cycle is now, if they wait to fire him until December, you have zero time left to recruit for a new head coach. If they have a big name (and I assume they will only fire him IF they have a BIG name), it would make sense to put that out as soon as possible so any recruits you have left on the board can make their decisions based on the new coach.

With that being said, I hope they don't fire him at all. Now or at the end of the season. Furthermore, I really don't think the last three games make much of a difference either way. I really believe the die has already been cast and the decision has been made about his fate. I can't see any level of performance at Pitt, against UConn (**cough**), or at Stanford doing much to undo what has already taken place, good or bad. If they go out and just stomp the living snot out of those three teams, I can't see the administration or alumni saying anything but, "Why couldn't you have done that against Michigan, Navy, or SC and why didn't you win by a bigger margin against MSU, Purdue, BC, and Washington?" Conversely, if they have poor outings in the last three games, it would just further solidify what is already known now.

I have to think there are already closed door conversations and back room dealings going on right now. The University is smart. They are not going to even entertain the idea of firing Coach Weis without at least testing the waters with their "wish list" candidates. The Urban Meyer fiasco burnt them and it won't happen again. I don't think anything will happen without the marquee name. Is Gruden enough of a marquee name? Is Kelly? I don't know for sure. In my opinion, no. Now Stoops - that is interesting.

I have always liked Coach Weis and I still do. I think he is a good representative of the University. Bottom line, I don't really care who coaches. They don't ask for my advice in those situations. You could stick anyone on the sideline with a headset and I will still watch my beloved Irish every Saturday. I love the Irish and I will still get giddy with excitement each and every Friday. I will still get goosebumps when I see them hit the sign on the way down the stairs and I will still get awe struck when I see those gold helmets come out on to the field. I love this football team no matter what. If it's with Weis or not, I will still be here and I will still love this team until the day I die.

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WeisWeisBaby said:
It doesn't make sense to fire him mid-season, no one wins
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Keep in mind I don't want him fired at all. I am just saying there is a possibility they are already starting the process. Recruiting will suffer if you whack him too late. That is my point that there is an argument for pulling the trigger sooner rather than later.

Again, I don't want him fired. I am not an anti-Weis flamer. I just have seen more than once where the school will in fact fire a coach during the season. It happens. Especially with the displeasure directed at this man over the last 5 years. I still haven't seen any definitive arguments for why he won't be fired other than "just because" statements.

Why doesn't it make any sense? This is a discussion board. "Nuh-uh" posts are not much fun. Give me some discussion why you think it doesn't make any sense. And, please remember, I don't want to fire Coach Weis at all.

I am just saying, in my OPINION, there is a possibility he could be fired before the season is over. Now you say why you think he won't and then I respond to that one and, before long, we have a discussion on the topic. Fun.
 
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Well, there are several reasons. One is definitely the impact it will have on recruiting, hence why Urban Meyer blatantly lied to his recruits that his Defensive Coordinator wasn't leaving until all of them signed on board.

Also, it will ruin our relationship to get a coach to replace him. ND will not lose out again and fire him without a back up plan in place like with what happened with Urban Meyer. They will go after some people through third parties and try to get a level of interest. But, it would make sense to wait until after the season, especially if the coach you are going after is Kelly from Cincy since his team is currently undefeated and would hate the distraction.
 
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I have a question for everybody.

Hypothetically Weis gets fired...
Hypothetically Kelly gets hired...
What is a good enough season for Kelly to have to not be hated and have ND nation split down the middle like it has been for the past 3 years?
 
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I've been a Weis supporter since he has been here. I really want ND to succeed with him at the helm. He has improved recruiting, runs a clean program, graduates kids, and generally has the program improving. What scares me to death is the lack of fundamentals I see from the team. I see our offense as decent. We have a handful of unreal talents that can score whenever they touch the ball. But we don't have the fundamentals to just grind out a drive and be consistent. Same on defense. It's like a beautiful house that's built on sand. I don't like losing, but I can handle it if things are where they need to be. Things aren't where they need to be right now. Part of the reason guys like Saban and Meyer can go and turn a program around in 2 years or less is fundamental football. Good defense will beat good offense any day of the week. Why do you think Navy is so tough every year? They play fundamental football.

So if any coach comes in and teaches fundamentals, I'll be happy. If I saw that from this team, I wouldn't be complaining about Weis. Winning NCs and going to BCS bowls is really difficult. It's ridiculous to demand a team to do that year in and year out. But it isn't ridiculous to demand fundamentals.
 
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WeisWeisBaby said:
Well, there are several reasons. One is definitely the impact it will have on recruiting, hence why Urban Meyer blatantly lied to his recruits that his Defensive Coordinator wasn't leaving until all of them signed on board.

Also, it will ruin our relationship to get a coach to replace him. ND will not lose out again and fire him without a back up plan in place like with what happened with Urban Meyer. They will go after some people through third parties and try to get a level of interest. But, it would make sense to wait until after the season, especially if the coach you are going after is Kelly from Cincy since his team is currently undefeated and would hate the distraction.
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So, you and I are in agreement on the process has been started to some degree. The Urban Meyer fiasco definitely affected how we approach these situations. Our only point of disagreement is the impact it will have on recruiting to do the termination now or at the end of the season. You're right that it can have an affect if you fire him now, but it can also have an affect if you wait. If you fire him now, it will have an affect on recruits already "committed". If you wait, it will have an affect on recruits still on the board. Sentreal Henderson, for example, might not want to commit to a school with coaching upheaval or potential changes forthcoming.

You and I are basically on the same page, just a few different variations.

I hope we don't fire Coach Weis because I think either way we cut it, we are completely boned. 2, 3, or 4 more years of rebuilding and mediocrity. Then what? If Gruden or Kelly turn out not to be the answer either, where do we go?
 
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I'm guessing that he will resign for "health reasons", and ND will give him some compensation, and allow him to save face a little.
 
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IHateMarkMay said:
I have a question for everybody.

Hypothetically Weis gets fired...
Hypothetically Kelly gets hired...
What is a good enough season for Kelly to have to not be hated and have ND nation split down the middle like it has been for the past 3 years?
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Does it matter? ND would be 9-3 next year at best anyways.
 
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i dunno if yall notice but we seem to play the the level of the teams we play. we play usc to the final second. same with navy. u think navy and usc are the same level? absolutely not. i think we can def win the pitt game. and i also agree if we win our bowl game. they dont fire weis. brings in some big recruits, ended the bowl drought, starts a bowl winning streak. you cant fire the guy
 
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As much as I hate to admit it, we do play up/down to our opponent. That leads to losing games you shouldn't. I hope they put it all together from the 1st quarter to the 4th this Saturday. I have been saying we won't get to 9-3 because I don't think we will. But, it is possible. Are we backed far enough into a corner that we play each of the next 3 games for a full 60 minutes?
 
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As much as I hate to admit it, we do play up/down to our opponent. That leads to losing games you shouldn't. I hope they put it all together from the 1st quarter to the 4th this Saturday. I have been saying we won't get to 9-3 because I don't think we will. But, it is possible. Are we backed far enough into a corner that we play each of the next 3 games for a full 60 minutes?
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I agree. And that is a sign of poor coaching. I think we have the capability of winning out too. I think we have the talent to be sick, but talent alone don't mean squat. The world is full of people with talent doing nothing with it.

This is kind of what I don't get. People want to blame the defensive coordinators, playing to the level of opponent, coming out flat etc. etc. That's coaching. Can you imagine a Lou Holtz team on the goal line with a chance to beat SC? You think they'd be able to block well enough to gain a few yards? The talent level is there.

But this is definitely a case of agreeing to disagree. I have supported and will continue to support. But I finally see the problem. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not.
 
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I agree. And that is a sign of poor coaching. I think we have the capability of winning out too. I think we have the talent to be sick, but talent alone don't mean squat. The world is full of people with talent doing nothing with it.

This is kind of what I don't get. People want to blame the defensive coordinators, playing to the level of opponent, coming out flat etc. etc. That's coaching. Can you imagine a Lou Holtz team on the goal line with a chance to beat SC? You think they'd be able to block well enough to gain a few yards? The talent level is there.

But this is definitely a case of agreeing to disagree. I have supported and will continue to support. But I finally see the problem. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm not.
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I think you have a great point. I have said for a long time I would give anything to see what Coach Weis is like in the locker room before a game trying to get the guys fired up. I have seen Lou Holtz speak in person and the guy knows how to charge you up and make you feel like you can run through a brick wall - and that was at a business conference!

Is Coach Weis able to get the guys pumped up to play anyone and everyone? I don't know. I agree if a Lou Holtz team had been on the goal line with a chance to beat SC, no way ND loses. Only game I really don't think Lou came through with the motivation was '93 against BC. But that was after a "Game for the Ages".

I would love to know more about Coach Weis' abilities in the area of motivation. C'mon, even Dan Devine was able to get the guys jacked up to play (and by "Dan Devine" I mean Chelcie Ross' character in Rudy) .
 
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bingo, bleacher report is about as credible as "the onion", or one of those crappy tabloids in the checkout line at the super market
 
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Bleacher report is full of shit. Swarbrick makes the call, and he has said numerous times they do not even review the possability until the season is over.
 
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WeisWeisBaby said:
Charlie isn't going anywhere after we win the next 3 games and the bowl game
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What in the hell are you talking about? We'll be lucky to win one of those games, let alone the bowl game.

If CW is indeed to be fired at the end of the season, I sure as hell in God's name they don't offer Gruden the HC job at ND. All he's ever been able to do is dismantle a really good Bucs' team after winning the Super Bowl.
 
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