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The stadium announcer speaking in a British accent, "Ladies and Gentlemen, now playing quarterback, Mr. Montgomery VanGorder".
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The stadium announcer speaking in a British accent, "Ladies and Gentlemen, now playing quarterback, Mr. Montgomery VanGorder".
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After he graduates from Notre Dame, Montgomery VanGorder will be going pro as an early 20th century monocle-wearing British explorer.
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Yes, indeed.
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not before he becomes a Civil War era general
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Or a great second banana for a desert campaign. Anyone up for invading Italy?
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A poster on II explained that he expects BVG to run more of a 1 gap (attacking) 3-4 base defense than a 2 gap that Diaco had been running. TJ, agreed and said "mostly yes." So I wanted to bring some info here for everybody to see regarding the differences.
-From Wikipedia
One versus Two Gap 3–4 Systems[edit]
The 3–4 has two basic defensive variations the one-gap and the two-gap. In a two-gap system, the linemen are charged with tying up two blockers. This allows the linebackers to "flow downhill" and make tackles without shedding blocks.[16] The one gap, on the other hand, distributes the responsibility for gap coverage evenly between the linemen and linebackers. Each player had a few "key reads" after the ball is snapped. For example, the middle linebacker may be covering the strong side A gap (gap between center and strong side guard). If he sees the guard move right, then he flows with the guard. If the guard moves left, he attacks downhill and "shoots his gap." Responsibilities in the one gap vary depending on the defense.[17]
Very few teams use purely one or two gap systems in today's NFL. However, the majority of teams, such as the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers primarily use the two-gap 3–4. The Houston Texans primarily use the one gap 3–4. The New York Jets use a versatile, hybrid defense combining one and two gap looks.[18]
Here's Todd Grantham talking about the difference.
Coach Grantham Explains One-Gap vs. Two-Gap in the 3-4 - YouTube
Football’s One Gap 3-4 Defense | Strong Football by CoachCP
This is from a 49er's board where, whats seems to be a knowledgeable poster explains it like this.
There's actually quite a difference. In the 2 gap or otherwise known as "double bubble", your NT is responsible for both A gaps, and needs to command the attention of the Center and Guard. Meaning you would like a mammoth NT, like a Vince Wilfork or Jamal Williams. The NT is lined up directly on the Center and is in the "0 tech" position.
In a 1 gap 3-4, which is much more common these days, your NT is in the "1 Tech" position, meaning he lines up just slightly off the center in the strong side A gap, as his role is to not really be a clogging type like in the double bubble, but a quick, penetrating Nose that's going to be disruptive and slightly tie up the RG and Center with quickness rather than brute strength to have your linebackers make plays in the backfield easier. This is why Aubrayo Franklin struggled early on with us but once we switched to a 1 Gap he started to excel.
The responsibilities of the DE's, OLB's, and ILB'S all have different jobs as well, and they are NOT the same system. They are 2 entirely different philosophies on how to control the LOS.
Read more at 1 Gap vs 2 Gap Scheme ( 3-4 defense) - 49erswebzone.com Forum
-From Wikipedia
One versus Two Gap 3–4 Systems[edit]
The 3–4 has two basic defensive variations the one-gap and the two-gap. In a two-gap system, the linemen are charged with tying up two blockers. This allows the linebackers to "flow downhill" and make tackles without shedding blocks.[16] The one gap, on the other hand, distributes the responsibility for gap coverage evenly between the linemen and linebackers. Each player had a few "key reads" after the ball is snapped. For example, the middle linebacker may be covering the strong side A gap (gap between center and strong side guard). If he sees the guard move right, then he flows with the guard. If the guard moves left, he attacks downhill and "shoots his gap." Responsibilities in the one gap vary depending on the defense.[17]
Very few teams use purely one or two gap systems in today's NFL. However, the majority of teams, such as the Green Bay Packers and the Pittsburgh Steelers primarily use the two-gap 3–4. The Houston Texans primarily use the one gap 3–4. The New York Jets use a versatile, hybrid defense combining one and two gap looks.[18]
Here's Todd Grantham talking about the difference.
Coach Grantham Explains One-Gap vs. Two-Gap in the 3-4 - YouTube
Football’s One Gap 3-4 Defense | Strong Football by CoachCP
This is from a 49er's board where, whats seems to be a knowledgeable poster explains it like this.
There's actually quite a difference. In the 2 gap or otherwise known as "double bubble", your NT is responsible for both A gaps, and needs to command the attention of the Center and Guard. Meaning you would like a mammoth NT, like a Vince Wilfork or Jamal Williams. The NT is lined up directly on the Center and is in the "0 tech" position.
In a 1 gap 3-4, which is much more common these days, your NT is in the "1 Tech" position, meaning he lines up just slightly off the center in the strong side A gap, as his role is to not really be a clogging type like in the double bubble, but a quick, penetrating Nose that's going to be disruptive and slightly tie up the RG and Center with quickness rather than brute strength to have your linebackers make plays in the backfield easier. This is why Aubrayo Franklin struggled early on with us but once we switched to a 1 Gap he started to excel.
The responsibilities of the DE's, OLB's, and ILB'S all have different jobs as well, and they are NOT the same system. They are 2 entirely different philosophies on how to control the LOS.
Read more at 1 Gap vs 2 Gap Scheme ( 3-4 defense) - 49erswebzone.com Forum
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After reading all of this you can see how we don't necessarily have to be changing our defensive front in order to be recruiting different NT's/DT's.
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nice read.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy">@NDsidBertschy</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball">@ndfootball</a> has announced the hiring of Brian VanGorder as its new defensive coordinator .. <a href="http://t.co/NOdEXYY6cx">http://t.co/NOdEXYY6cx</a></p>— Blue and Gold News (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/statuses/422831396915142657">January 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I had no idea that his defenses at Atlanta were that good. Some pretty impressive stats from those years.
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Finally! Yes
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Good info here! And makes is pretty clear as to why our Rush D wasn't as good this year...if it wasn't already obvious. T'eo.....
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He is already camping out on Holley's couch.
so good.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Brian Kelly, Brian VanGorder will meet with media at 3 p.m. ET Tuesday at the Gug. Press conference streamed live at <a href="http://t.co/noLFOl8gdb">http://t.co/noLFOl8gdb</a>.</p>— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDsidBertschy/statuses/422840670307364864">January 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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stache flowin
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Thanks IM8! Happy when this is a "public" done deal. Hoping BVG can jump in the deep end and make a little noise on the recruiting trail!!
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Toxic situation with one of the most overrated HC's of all time.
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It still happened though. So it should probably be on a career bio.
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I know its just crazy they couldn't find one team stat or player's stats or anything from 2012 to highlight. Its not a knock on him--I know Auburn was a dumpster fire in 2012--its just crazy how bad that they actually were.
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A positive note on that season is that Auburn's defense was atrocious in 2012, but actually improved from 2011. So he was a net positive for the D there too.
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I would agree.
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Good read. It will be interesting to see if BVG utilizes the 3/4 over or 3/4 under set more. Not to be lost in all this is what is happening behind the defensive line. Will he run man coverage on one side and zone on the other side at times? Will he check off the blitz on one side and come "under" on the other? What makes an aggressive defense successful is how much can they show one thing and check to something else before the ball is snapped. Confusing the QB allows the line more time to pressure the QB or split the gap to get to the runner. I thought BD tipped his hand every play making the defense much less effective.
To incorporate that style of complex defense takes a while. BVG's first year at Georgia was a struggle until the last third of the season. Then it appeared the defense started "getting" it. At Auburn, they never did get it and quit on BVG the last half of the season. It may take him a while at ND to implement his scheme so patience may be needed. But if the players ever get it, the defense could be outstanding.
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Why should it be on a career bio as a bullet point, when the metrics of the job aren't supportive of the candidate? Not disclosing on a job interview or professional resume is one thing. A silly media bio is another. Look at what it says, "Prior to his stint as the defensive coordinator at Auburn in 2012, VanGorder guided the Atlanta Falcons' defense from 2008-11."
More importantly, the information presented in the video and internet articles exposes some of the shortcomings with the '13 defense. One gap 3-4 assigns a specific outside contain man based upon the called secondary coverage, whether it be the CAT, the wide side corner, or the strong safety. That man is the pitch man on option plays. With the two gap, flowing linebacker configuration there are not necessarily enough personnel to cover all three options at the point of attack. A person has to be brought in and designated as such.
The linemen on a 2gap stand and wait. That makes linebacker reads everything. If the opposing offensive coordinator screws with tendencies, and changes their playbook, the keys are eliminated, and it becomes very complicated, or guesswork by the linebackers. I will betcha.
More importantly, the information presented in the video and internet articles exposes some of the shortcomings with the '13 defense. One gap 3-4 assigns a specific outside contain man based upon the called secondary coverage, whether it be the CAT, the wide side corner, or the strong safety. That man is the pitch man on option plays. With the two gap, flowing linebacker configuration there are not necessarily enough personnel to cover all three options at the point of attack. A person has to be brought in and designated as such.
The linemen on a 2gap stand and wait. That makes linebacker reads everything. If the opposing offensive coordinator screws with tendencies, and changes their playbook, the keys are eliminated, and it becomes very complicated, or guesswork by the linebackers. I will betcha.