USC recruiting and everything else

[Bogtrotter07]

Money was too good.

 

[jimmymac]

Read this on SI, not sure if posted:


08:24 AM ET 07.31 | Should it come to pass, USC's addition of Silas Redd threatens to push the program over its limit of scholarship players. One possible solution to the problem is asking a former walk-on now on scholarship to surrender said scholarship for the 2012-13 academic year. I recently spoke to one of those candidates. ... The player said he would be "heartbroken" if it came to that because he had worked so hard to earn the scholarship. However, when the player initially received it, [Lane Kiffin] explained that it was a year-to-year deal and that the player might have to give it back if USC's roster limitations left no other recourse. Although losing his scholarship would be a source of frustration, the player said he would remain with the squad. "I love this team," he said.

 

[Grahambo]

Read this on SI, not sure if posted:


08:24 AM ET 07.31 | Should it come to pass, USC's addition of Silas Redd threatens to push the program over its limit of scholarship players. One possible solution to the problem is asking a former walk-on now on scholarship to surrender said scholarship for the 2012-13 academic year. I recently spoke to one of those candidates. ... The player said he would be "heartbroken" if it came to that because he had worked so hard to earn the scholarship. However, when the player initially received it, [Lane Kiffin] explained that it was a year-to-year deal and that the player might have to give it back if USC's roster limitations left no other recourse. Although losing his scholarship would be a source of frustration, the player said he would remain with the squad. "I love this team," he said.

Loyalty? Where are you? I can't seem to find you these days.

 

[Rudy89]

Im not trying to underrate our boys buut ooffa im not feelin to hot about when we play them this year but ya never know miracles happen and players can breakout.

 

[Kanye West]

Im not trying to underrate our boys buut ooffa im not feelin to hot about when we play them this year but ya never know miracles happen and players can breakout.

Just remember that it took a missnap and a couple missed calls for USC to pullaway. USC might be more hyped, but losing Kennard, Nick Perry, Kalil will have an effect if and when depth becomes an issue.

 

[irishtrinity]

Just remember that it took a missnap and a couple missed calls for USC to pullaway. USC might be more hyped, but losing Kennard, Nick Perry, Kalil will have an effect if and when depth becomes an issue.

I agree we did real good last yr. This yr we will be better than USC.

 

[Irishnuke]

We didn't do well vs. SC last year. Not at all.

 

[ACamp1900]

We didn't do well vs. SC last year. Not at all.

Well we lost, so you are right...

I think what he was getting at, if I may, is that after a horrid start in the first ten or so minutes we outplayed them for much of the reminder of the game... at least in my opinion.

for me the bad start and the fact that USC (like most cfb teams) didn't commit cartoonish, game killing turnovers is what decided that game.

 

[frankygoes69]

So whats the end result? How many spots do they have left? Who gives up a spot? Garbage!!!

 

[beryirish]

Loyalty? Where are you? I can't seem to find you these days.

when you're trying to audition for the NFL loyalty is out the window.

 

[Fbolt]

Kiffin is teaching life lessons about loyalty. Shaping and molding....

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

USC just got a lot more dangerous offensively. Barkley, Woods, Lee, and now Silas Redd...boy oh boy

 

[Irish#1]

Yep, it's official:

Silas Redd spurns Penn State Nittany Lions, heading to USC Trojans - ESPN Los Angeles

I don't know about anyone else, but as soon as this was speculated, I felt it would happen. The first thing out of Redd's mouth was he had to assess the situation, while most of the other players said they were committed. That told me he was ready to leave. You know Kiffin had been knocking on his door long before the sanctions came out. The six coaches was the icing on the cake.

Pulling a scholly from any player regardless of being a recruited player or walk on is bull crap unless you broke the law or got into major trouble with the school. Kiffin doesn't care about these kids, only about himself.

 

[NDinL.A.]

In replying to a member who has USC favored to win it all (from the Penn St thread), here's my reply:

85 schollies, I'd say yes. They're down to 72 already with 3 probable season-ending injuries, and they haven't even started camp yet. That means they have to worry about injuries in practice, which means they have to ponder not tackling in practice, and that KILLED their defense 2 years ago. So for me, title contenders? Yes. Favorites? No way. I think they'll lose twice to Oregon and once to an underdog. And it's because of #'s, not skill.

Redd brings them quality depth, no doubt, but skill position is the least of their worries. It's about depth along the offensive and defensive lines, and in the LB corp. Redd doesn't help with that. He's an amazing insurance plan - non-USC fans seem to forget just how good Mighty Mouse was last year as their top RB. He friggin' killed it. He's just small, so they are worried about depth. But seriously, USC needs a DE much more than they do an extra RB.

Besides, with Redd, that's just another person they have to share the ball with...which is fine by me as far as ND is concerned b/c we'll be really good against the run, but suspect against the pass. If they feel the need to force-feed Redd the ball against ND vs throwing up jump balls and slants to Woods and Lee (top duo in the country), then I'm all for it!

As long as USC loses a couple of games (which I think they will), this is good for ND. Redd will be gone to the NFL most likely after this year. So they get one year out of him, but next year they will only be allowed to get 14 commits instead of 15, and they'll only be allowed 74 schollies instead of 75, all b/c they took Redd. So this could be a good thing for ND, b/c that 15th player they would have recruited might end up at ND, and that 75th player on their roster could have been vital for games or practices or scout team, and they lose him as well.

I just hope that Oregon gets them both times this year...

 

[PANDFAN]

In replying to a member who has USC favored to win it all (from the Penn St thread), here's my reply:

85 schollies, I'd say yes. They're down to 72 already with 3 probable season-ending injuries, and they haven't even started camp yet. That means they have to worry about injuries in practice, which means they have to ponder not tackling in practice, and that KILLED their defense 2 years ago. So for me, title contenders? Yes. Favorites? No way. I think they'll lose twice to Oregon and once to an underdog. And it's because of #'s, not skill.

Redd brings them quality depth, no doubt, but skill position is the least of their worries. It's about depth along the offensive and defensive lines, and in the LB corp. Redd doesn't help with that. He's an amazing insurance plan - non-USC fans seem to forget just how good Mighty Mouse was last year as their top RB. He friggin' killed it. He's just small, so they are worried about depth. But seriously, USC needs a DE much more than they do an extra RB.

Besides, with Redd, that's just another person they have to share the ball with...which is fine by me as far as ND is concerned b/c we'll be really good against the run, but suspect against the pass. If they feel the need to force-feed Redd the ball against ND vs throwing up jump balls and slants to Woods and Lee (top duo in the country), then I'm all for it!

As long as USC loses a couple of games (which I think they will), this is good for ND. Redd will be gone to the NFL most likely after this year. So they get one year out of him, but next year they will only be allowed to get 14 commits instead of 15, and they'll only be allowed 74 schollies instead of 75, all b/c they took Redd. So this could be a good thing for ND, b/c that 15th player they would have recruited might end up at ND, and that 75th player on their roster could have been vital for games or practices or scout team, and they lose him as well.

I just hope that Oregon gets them both times this year...

great perspective

 

[Emcee77]

Redd brings them quality depth, no doubt, but skill position is the least of their worries. It's about depth along the offensive and defensive lines, and in the LB corp. Redd doesn't help with that. He's an amazing insurance plan - non-USC fans seem to forget just how good Mighty Mouse was last year as their top RB. He friggin' killed it. He's just small, so they are worried about depth. But seriously, USC needs a DE much more than they do an extra RB.

Great point. USC's lack of depth at RB has probably been exaggerated a bit.

Redd will be gone to the NFL most likely after this year. So they get one year out of him, but next year they will only be allowed to get 14 commits instead of 15, and they'll only be allowed 74 schollies instead of 75, all b/c they took Redd.

Really? He counts against next year's numbers? That's surprising, if he comes in before camp this year. I don't understand how that works (not that I'm challenging you ... I'm willing to take your word for it).

 

[DSully1995]

Great point. USC's lack of depth at RB has probably been exaggerated a bit.



Really? He counts against next year's numbers? That's surprising, if he comes in before camp this year. I don't understand how that works (not that I'm challenging you ... I'm willing to take your word for it).

Yea thats why even USC gets to take players from PSU, this year with the extra player youll have 86 (or 76) so next you compensate for that by only having 84 or 74

 

[Cackalacky]

despite the supposed super men that make up their starting 11, their defense is no where near what i would consider a proven championship defense... maybe they will be by the end of the year, but I doubt it. Between the offenses they will face in conference/playing us and above all, most likely having to beat Oregon twice I just don't see them playing for the national title unless everyone else loses 1-2 games across the board... I think its a hell of a lot of hype honestly.

time will tell...

I do think they had better do it this year, despite what underclass talent they have.

Yes time will tell.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Not recruiting related, but how bout this deal:

RT @ADHadenUSC: As part of our @JetBlue partnership, we are offering special $55 airfare so Alumni can travel to away games

 

[ACamp1900]

Interesting thought... ND has seen great classes 'fall apart' into good/solid classes year after year it seems and a reason often given is the lack of success during the season...

with this class they (USC) currently have... I will be interested to see what impact a couple of losses does to their class. They have no room for error here so if a couple of guys jump ship late...

anyway, just a thought.

 

[PraetorianND]

Interesting thought... ND has seen great classes 'fall apart' into good/solid classes year after year it seems and a reason often given is the lack of success during the season...

with this class they (USC) currently have... I will be interested to see what impact a couple of losses does to their class. They have no room for error here so if a couple of guys jump ship late...

anyway, just a thought.

Unfortunately, I don't think a couple of losses are going to negatively impact USC enough to degrade the quality of their class. Kids are really buying what USC is selling these days and the limited scholarships is making an offer all the more appealing for recruits.

Not to mention, their schedule isn't terribly tough this year. Outside of Oregon, ND, Stanford, and possibly U Dub there isn't a lot to overcome. I'm not high on Stanford this year either, I think they may fall off a bit a with Luck leaving.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

We will see. ACamp may be on to something; he usually is.

 

[PraetorianND]

We will see. ACamp may be on to something; he usually is.

You may be right but there were kids lining up to take the remaining spot at USC. I really don't see it falling apart.

 

[ACamp1900]

It would just make for a very interesting situation if two or three of these studs jumped during the post season... to survive this and continue being a top program they may need to hit a home run this year... again, just a thought...

 

[PraetorianND]

If it happens now, absolutely... if it happens a month before signing the numbers MAY become an issue...

Honestly, I don't care what USC's class looks like at all. I want to get OUR house in order and win.

Would we beat Oregon or VT today if we played them? I don't know, but somehow those teams win and do it with less talent. I hope BK can put together a winning team despite what other programs are doing.

If you have a top 20 class you should have enough talent to win a NC. At that point it's coaching that's going to get you over the hump, not the extra star on a couple of guys.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah idk if I really care one way or the other... just a thought I had... USC's situation could make a scenario like that especially interesting.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I had another thought, you know how Miami got caught cheating, again? What if this class isn't all recruiting prowess? Just a thought.

 

[ACamp1900]

I had another thought, you know how Miami got caught cheating, again? What if this class isn't all recruiting prowess? Just a thought.

I am sure it isn't... anyway all this poped up b/c they basically have a finalized class...

lots can happen from then to now, the later it happens the worse it could be.

 

[Irish#1]

I am sure it isn't... anyway all this poped up b/c they basically have a finalized class...

lots can happen from then to now, the later it happens the worse it could be.

True, Chris Hawkins comes for an OV and then we beat USC, who knows?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Gorney at Rivals is saying he heard USC still thinks they can take two as well. How? Who the eff knows. Still targeting Goodman and McQuay. Likely would only take one of those two though.