USC out, BYU in

[Dale]

Nicole from 3! Bang!

 

[KPENN]

Nicole from 3! Bang!

 

[IrishTusker]

If I recall correctly, the MOU only matters if the CFP stays at 12 or goes to 14. It is likely to move to 16, at which point the MOU would have to be renegotiated. I've said a bunch of times that the MOU is not really any protection at all ("I promise to give you $20 if I feel like giving you $20") and obviously it appears to antagonize other schools. Far better than the MOU would scrapping the committee/autobids.

 

[burmafrd1944]

I am typing this in Utah. Tell me more about the place I've lived in for the last 18 years.

clearly you picked up a fair amount of bigotry along the way

 

[Canes4theWin]

To their credit, Florida already plays Miami and Florida State, plus an SEC schedule that includes an annual game with Georgia.

I think if we could get our heads around the idea of hosting on Thanksgiving weekend half the time, an annual Miami season-ender would be awesome. They don't have anyone they traditionally play that weekend.

UF won’t schedule us again now that the SEC moved to 9 games. They’ll keep their annual fsu matchup, but they dropped us as an annual opponent years ago when the sec moved to 8 conference games

 

[NorthDakota]

UF won’t schedule us again now that the SEC moved to 9 games. They’ll keep their annual fsu matchup, but they dropped us as an annual opponent years ago when the sec moved to 8 conference games

The Florida P4's carry their weight in non-conference play as far as im concerned. Happy to get games locked in with them but no judgment if they ever said "no thanks our hands are full"

 

[MPClinton22]

If I recall correctly, the MOU only matters if the CFP stays at 12 or goes to 14. It is likely to move to 16, at which point the MOU would have to be renegotiated. I've said a bunch of times that the MOU is not really any protection at all ("I promise to give you $20 if I feel like giving you $20") and obviously it appears to antagonize other schools. Far better than the MOU would scrapping the committee/autobids.

At this point it exists solely to use for narrative building against us, which thankfully Nicole just blew up in these assholes faces by revealing they all agreed to it over a year ago.

Fully agreed with whoever said it before - at this point, we should never even consider joining these cartels. These wannabe mafiosos are trying to strong arm us at every turn, and to then get in bed with them would make me nauseous.

 

[LifelongFan]

Besides Williams Heisman run, this game was the only time USC was relevant in the last decade. So much for that.

 

[tirishman505]

My hot take: ND cannot afford to join a Big 2 conference while there is still regionality attached to it. This has already happened in the ACC, and is slowly happening in B!G, but the SEC has not fragmented at all. "You are only as good as your 5 hour recruiting radius". I lost count how many times I heard that when people were saying Lane Kiffin should take the LSU or Florida jobs over even Ole Miss. While the major brands do recruit nationally, much more than in years past, they all have a local base that they "have to put a fence around". These are cliches, but they became cliches for a reason.

ND is the one true national brand, or national-first brand. Which it has to be. Jumping into a conference too early would diminish that. Maybe not right away, but in 20 years when all of the players you are recruiting have only ever known a "B1G ND" I think we would see major effects.

However in the coming era of the super league, where all of the nation's premium brands get together and they shed some of the dead weight, it will be 1) a national world for all the teams that matter 2) a regional world for everyone else. IMO, that's when we join, because every blue chip kid is going to want in on #1 and not #2.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

I have reached the point where I say WE WILL GIVE UP FOOTBALL BEFORE WE JOIN A CONFERENCE

Give the middle finger to everyone

say we will play all of you fat cats

show up or show yellow

I don’t think Notre Dame ever stops playing football, but I get what you mean.

I can ABSOLUTELY see a universe where Notre Dame goes FCS or D2 or something, citing the unwillingness to become a semi- pro organization. Likely? no. But in the infinite multiverse, there is one where this happens.

 

[ozzman]

 

[thekid33]

citing the unwillingness to become a semi- pro organization.

We are basically already at that point and ND football isn't going anywhere.

The only way I could ever imagine that it would come to that is if somehow the team becomes totally detached from the university in the sense that the players are not even required to be students but yet are still representing the school. And, I don't know how/why it would ever get to that point.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

FUSC


But I'm really excited to play BYU next year. Their fans couldn't stop talking shit about us "ducking them" because of the ESPN-induced middle finger. Now we get to play them and so help me god, we better lay a 40 spot on them. Denbrock better have the offense incredibly sharp to start the season.

Who does BYU lose? Who is coming back?

 

[MPClinton22]

Not to get too off topic, but the thing I've realized through the reporting, pontificating, mud slinging, etc that has come out of sports media the past month is that the people who control this sport, from ADs to ESPN to conference leaders, all seem to fundamentally hate the sport. They resent tradition, they resent regionality/rivalries, they resent truly everything that made it special. And it trickles down to the way casuals talk about things now too - you have USC fans stumping for joining the B1G because of the payday the Trojans received. Great, the athletic dept at USC now has more money but no identity. Enjoy it, morons.

Which is also why I'd love to see ND try to present an inspiring alternative that can try to salvage some of the soul of this sport. Because this thing seems to be spiraling out of control towards an end result that I have no interest in.

 

[Dale]

Read this thread between Golic and Wolken:

 

[Dale]

Wolken is basically sticking to his story and believes the MOU with regards to ND was just an overlooked little detail, one he calls “a throwaway line” none of these ADs could have possibly understood or remembered.

Huge win for billable hours if signing contracts and negotiating for years doesn’t need attention to “throwaway lines”

 

[MPClinton22]

Read this thread between Golic and Wolken:

Ignorance is an excuse, got it. These assholes are such disingenuous pricks.

 

[mango4]

Dan Wolken absolutely sucks at his job.

 

[Huntr]

Read this thread between Golic and Wolken

...through two years of the 12-team playoff there have been a few unintended consequences people didn’t consider when they were put on paper and needed to be fixed once people realized how it would play out. I think this will go a similar direction.

LMAO stfu with this spin, USC, you're making yourself look worse every time you open your cock holster.

Wolken's a little bitch who knows he's wrong for carrying that water, but he also knows he's gotta keep going since his nose is still out of joint from the NCG post-game.

 

[irish4ever]

FUSC


But I'm really excited to play BYU next year. Their fans couldn't stop talking shit about us "ducking them" because of the ESPN-induced middle finger. Now we get to play them and so help me god, we better lay a 40 spot on them. Denbrock better have the offense incredibly sharp to start the season.

Who does BYU lose? Who is coming back?

Next year at Provo. I wonder if that game will be slotted mid-season or near the end? The 1st 5 weeks for ND are scheduled already.

 

[ColinKSU]

Irish gonna beat BYU’s ass so bad they’ll realize Joseph Smith made all that shit up.

 

[Dale]

Ignorance is an excuse, got it. These assholes are such disingenuous pricks.

Jenn Cohen has been negotiating a deal for USC over two years, USCs main focus being CFP inclusion, how could she have possibly read a document that directly relates to the CFP in all phases put on her desk 1.5 year ago???

- Dan Wolken

It’s pretty funny Dans argument rests on his AD “sources” being clueless and/or negligent

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Wolken is basically sticking to his story and believes the MOU with regards to ND was just an overlooked little detail, one he calls “a throwaway line” none of these ADs could have possibly understood or remembered.

Huge win for billable hours if signing contracts and negotiating for years doesn’t need attention to “throwaway lines”

Maybe. They likely overlooked that their playoff rules forced in a James Madison University.

 

[Dale]

Maybe. They likely overlooked that their playoff rules forced in a James Madison University.

Not really. The MOU addresses inclusion of the ACC Champion. Under the agreement, Duke would have been in over JMU. So no they didn’t overlook it, it was just a year behind in enforcement (same as NDs portion)

 

[Notre Dame Joe]

Not really. The MOU addresses inclusion of the ACC Champion. Under the agreement, Duke would have been in over JMU. So no they didn’t overlook it, it was just a year behind in enforcement (same as NDs portion)

They might have overlooked the possibility that the ACC champion can be an 8-5 team. The ACC had come within one score a few times but it never had happened. And no one is going to admit oh we never thought of that.

 

[Dale]

They might have overlooked the possibility that the ACC champion can be an 8-5 team. The ACC had come within one score a few times but it never had happened. And no one is going to admit oh we never thought of that.

That more relates to ACC rules not CFP rules. I don’t think an AD would “overlook” a team could go 1 - 3 in the non-conference going 6 - 2 in conference, it’s just an unlikely feat to pull off.

 

[jprue24]

I guess I’m just from a ghetto area bc a lot of my childhood friends are LDS and many went to BYU,… almost all were the ones corrupting everyone growing up and today they’re all living good lives with families but definitely are not straight edge types,… at all. 🤷‍♂️

Assuming you are outside of Utah, growing up LDS in Utah is different than doing it outside of Utah. Shoot, it's my understanding there are big differences between Utah and Salt Lake counties.

At least, that's what ever single LDS or LDS adjacent person has expressed to me. I'm sure there are others on this board who are better plugged in and provide better context about the dynamic.

clearly you picked up a fair amount of bigotry along the way

Seriously, go on...

big·ot·ry - obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Legally? Not a chance.

They have rules about fornication, no way drinking is ever "allowed" on BYU's campus.

I said this in response to someone asking about drinking on BYU's campus and you claim is bigotry. After re-reading BYU's honor code, I'm wondering which part of my above post is bigoted?

Or don't respond, take the L for an incorrect assumption about me, and move on.



Tip for everyone about Utah, if you are talking about drinking in this state pre-2002 olympics, you are talking about drinking in an entirely different place. If you are talking about drinking in this state pre-2010ish you are talking about a different place. If you are talking about drinking prior to the most recent round of alcohol law changes, you are talking about a different place.


The blue laws I grew up with in CT (eg. only from package stores, no buying after 8pm) were more restrictive than current Utah law. That said, if you come out here, the legal limit is .05

 

[burmafrd1944]

Assuming you are outside of Utah, growing up LDS in Utah is different than doing it outside of Utah. Shoot, it's my understanding there are big differences between Utah and Salt Lake counties.

At least, that's what ever single LDS or LDS adjacent person has expressed to me. I'm sure there are others on this board who are better plugged in and provide better context about the dynamic.

Seriously, go on...

big·ot·ry - obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction, in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.



I said this in response to someone asking about drinking on BYU's campus and you claim is bigotry. After re-reading BYU's honor code, I'm wondering which part of my above post is bigoted?

Or don't respond, take the L for an incorrect assumption about me, and move on.



Tip for everyone about Utah, if you are talking about drinking in this state pre-2002 olympics, you are talking about drinking in an entirely different place. If you are talking about drinking in this state pre-2010ish you are talking about a different place. If you are talking about drinking prior to the most recent round of alcohol law changes, you are talking about a different place.


The blue laws I grew up with in CT (eg. only from package stores, no buying after 8pm) were more restrictive than current Utah law. That said, if you come out here, the legal limit is .05

you look in the rules and bylaws of states cities and frankly universities you will find some very interesting things that no one cares about or even tries to obey
But I say you are a bigot just from the way you state your crap
I have met a lot of bigots who were at least honest about it
those like you claiming you are not are the worst

 

[NDMatt91]

Read this thread between Golic and Wolken:

Wolken just got community noted

https://x.com/i/birdwatch/n/2003344352601391456

 

[ozzman]

Oops wrong thread