UMs Robinson Hurts Knee..
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Doesn't sound terrible.
Michigan QB Denard Robinson injured against Bowling Green - ESPN
But, if it is...Michigan is is big trouble.
Michigan QB Denard Robinson injured against Bowling Green - ESPN
But, if it is...Michigan is is big trouble.
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You figure he won't last all season..not big enough, but great player
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Of course, people can move pretty well on blown out knee ligaments. Lots of people walk off the field with ACL tears.
We'll have to wait and see what the diagnosis says.
But, yes, Polish, you would have to be worried about his durability with how much he runs.
We'll have to wait and see what the diagnosis says.
But, yes, Polish, you would have to be worried about his durability with how much he runs.
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Lou actually put this in great perspective at halftime of the NC St. GA Tech game. He said, "You don't hook a thoroughbred up to the plow, you run him in the Kentucky Derby." It's too true for DickRod in a season where the pressure is on him. He shouldn't be running him against Bowling Green. Save him for the games that are important, because right now, if he keeps getting this many carries, he is most likely going to be hurt at some point during the Big Integer schedule, causing Michigan to lay an egg again in conference play. That is not good for DickRod.
Now naturally, even if he rests him, DRob can still get hurt in Big Integer play. The chances improve though, because let's face it, the kid is pretty tough. He took a lot of good hits against us and kept trucking. This kid is Michigan's team right now, and they need to take every precaution they can, which ultimately means only forcing him to carry the load when the team needs to win, not when UM is on the verge of blowing out Bowling Green.
Now naturally, even if he rests him, DRob can still get hurt in Big Integer play. The chances improve though, because let's face it, the kid is pretty tough. He took a lot of good hits against us and kept trucking. This kid is Michigan's team right now, and they need to take every precaution they can, which ultimately means only forcing him to carry the load when the team needs to win, not when UM is on the verge of blowing out Bowling Green.
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I highly doubt DickRod is worried about injuries. He's on the hot seat, and once the Big 10 season starts, they will be exposed. For our sake, maybe UM will look above average....hate saying that.
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Personally, I hope he is readly to play next week. I hate Michigan as much as anyone on the planet, but I recognize a great talent when I see it. Robinson is a great talent. He is the best running QB since Michael Vick. The individual accomplishment of carrying a team the way Robinson does is incredible. He is Michigan's entire team. And while I hate Michigan, I kind of like Robinson.
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He appears to be a real class act, I haven't seen any showboating. Just get the job done and play the game well. I wish him the best until week 2, 2011. Go Irish!
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He was cleared to play in the second half, but they chose not to put him back in. On the plus side Tate still looked really good back there and Devin threw the ball well but didn't seem to grasp the zone read well, but that will come I hope.
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I agree, we'll have State, Iowa, bye, then Penn, that's three good teams in a row. I hope we can put IU away early so our starters can get some rest. Notice I said hope.
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I've been trying to avoid this...
That quote is full of stupid. If you play football you're going to get hurt. Obviously it doesn't matter how many times he get's his number called (also remember he calls his own number in the zone read) because he only ran 5 times vs BG and sustained his worst injury of the year. Any time he runs it could be his last, same holds true for any player. If the defense allows him to hand the ball off or throw it then that's what the offence will do, if he has to tuck it and run it then that's what he'll do. Football is meant to be played to win, and if running him means we win then do it.
But please, by all means tell me how we should handle our running QB.
That quote is full of stupid. If you play football you're going to get hurt. Obviously it doesn't matter how many times he get's his number called (also remember he calls his own number in the zone read) because he only ran 5 times vs BG and sustained his worst injury of the year. Any time he runs it could be his last, same holds true for any player. If the defense allows him to hand the ball off or throw it then that's what the offence will do, if he has to tuck it and run it then that's what he'll do. Football is meant to be played to win, and if running him means we win then do it.
But please, by all means tell me how we should handle our running QB.
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I have no issue in how you are doing it. Obviously its working. However the more times he runs with it the odds bend in the favour of an injury. Frankly the best offense is where you can do what you want and keep doing it until the other team finds a way to stop you.
Much like Forcier did last year, I think the hits will take a toll on Denard once the big defenses roll in to town.
Much like Forcier did last year, I think the hits will take a toll on Denard once the big defenses roll in to town.
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DRob has pretty much proven his near mastery of the offense with his completion percentage and rushing stats. He clearly does not need the reps. Nor did Michigan need to play DRob to beat Bowling Green, as was evidenced by the final score. While it is the offense Rich Rod runs and injury is apparent in sports, thanks for this revelation btw, you would think that DRob would get a rest against the easier teams, because it's rather obvious that Michigan will be nowhere near as effective if he gets hurt. Risking a DRob injury against a Bowling Green is reckless, and the team did not need to him to win, that is why the quote makes sense. You pretty much summed it up, that injuries happen in football, so why take unnecessary risks against inferior teams you know you'll beat? You're not that bright are you?
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When has any starter ever sat a game against a supposed lesser team? I think some would call that over looking, and we all know where that gets us. So no, he should of course play. He as a player needs to learn to slide or step out of bounds a few yards earlier.
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Normally I would agree with that, but when one player is accounting for the great majority of your offense, it is a different situation. It's DickRod's decision, ultimately, and your choice to support it or not, but if DRob got hurt on that play and was out for the season, you don't think virtually all of the Michigan fan base would be calling for DickRod's head for playing DRob and getting him hurt against Bowling Green? If they didn't immediately, they would have in very short order, because it would be last year all over again for UM; strong start and dismal showing in conference. Without DRob Michigan is not that good, because the defense is a sieve, and there isn't much support on offense for him; essentially, he is what makes you a very good team. He's an incredible talent, a wonder to watch, which is why you don't risk his injury against Bowling Green. If you can't beat Bowling Green, obviously, play him. However, this signals a much deeper problem with the Michigan team if you can't beat Bowling Green without Denard Robinson. When one person is responsible for so much on your team, you don't risk injuring him for the bigger games when you'll definitely need him.
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Sorry Griff, gotta disagree, by all means pull him early, but you never sit a guy to protect him from the get go. It's football, and like life is unpredictable and people get hurt, and teams also lose to "inferior" teams all the time. If they are not hurt, you play your guys.
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It doesn't bother me to disagree, but just because that is the way people have conducted business in the past, doesn't mean it is the right situation 100% of the time. I understand that you play your guys, but I disagree in this scenario, because without DRob, Michigan is back to being a middling team. This is not to mention the fact that DickRod would be getting lit up by Michigan at large if DRob went down. DRob is too special of an athlete in my opinion.
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731 yards passing, that's also the receivers catching and making yards after the catch.
1 sack that's the offensive line blocking and opening holes.
There are 637 yards of rushing done by our running backs (Denard not included), that's around 200 yards more than ND's total.
He is and incredible talent, I and everyone will probably agree with you. But you have to play him, if you don't you're setting you and your team up for failure. If you sit him you're telling your team that BG is nothing and not to worry about it. Just mail it in. I think this year more than any we see what happens when players think that.
All of his runs against BG were zone reads except for one, so that's him calling his own number, not RichRod. So again, he as a player needs to learn to slide or step out of bounds. But here's a question for you:
What kind of hit is more dangerous? The hits DR takes, or the one's a true passing QB will take?
YouTube - Follett sack and Williams fumble recovery - Cal vs. Tenn 07
YouTube - (MNF) Joe Flacco gets sacked on a cut block FAIL
So every time he runs he is not risking that kind of hit.
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That's all well and good with your rushing stats, but the one half decent defense you played, ND, your running backs did not perform very well. I don't think there is really an argument that ND is the best defense you played, and we aren't very good. Here's the link to your running backs' yardage by game:
NCAA DIVISION I FOOTBALL
NCAA DIVISION I FOOTBALL
Your running backs got those stats against the other three teams on the schedule, who are, amazingly, worse than ND. So I don't think those stats hold much water for what you're about to experience during conference play. When you play a half decent team, you need DRob to carry the load.
Your offensive line only gave up one sack, that's great. Denard Robinson is your quarterback, his escapability absolutely helps that stat. No one can catch him dude! Of course he's not going to get sacked! Your line opening up holes? C'mon, again, look at your rushing offense against ND, not a very good defense but the best you played thus far. You had no rushing attack without DRob against ND.
The YAC is a great point, but they are able to get that space because of the commitment teams must put towards DRob. Without him in the games, better teams won't have to focus solely on the QB, allowing them to drop more in coverage to negate that space.
Unquestionably DRob's hits are better, but he's getting so many more, in conjunction with any hits in the pocket. Sure one of those hits is bad, but 30 rushing hits coupled with a few in the pocket would add up to be worse. He's tough, as evidenced by the beatings he has taken, but minimizing those hits should be priority number one, since he had to account for 95% of your offense to beat the best team you played thus far, ND, who isn't very good. He's going to have to do that for Michigan to beat teams in the Big Ten, and every hit he takes increases his chance for injury. I think it's best not to increase those chances against teams such as Bowling Green, when Michigan will clearly need him to beat better teams.
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If the hits dont take a toll he wins the Heisman, problem is the hits WILL take their toll and he most likely ends up like Forcier last year-hurt. The coach doesnt care he wants to keep his job. I do not like the coach. The kid seems like a good guy- wish him well.
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Err.. The Big10 BigBoys are a little bigger and a lot better defensively. I can't help but think that UM is going to come back to earth, starting this weekend. Indiana isn't your grandfathers Indiana, they almost rolled you last year, and would have without questionable officiating. There is nothing stopping your offense except your own defense.
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There seems to be three main points that you guys like to harp on, let me answer them from a Michigan perspective.
Robinson: He might get hurt, we might blow chunks in the BigTen, he might not get hurt, we might win it all and Robinson wins the Heisman. Nobody knows, just like nobody knew Robinson would be the most exciting player in college football for the first four games....except Rich Rod
RR: Whatever happens I'm confident in our offence and that RR will come up with a good offensive game plan for each team we play. Bash him all you want, but who else was recruiting Robinson to play QB? Who was able to turn him from what he was to what he is? We were thin on O line and QB last year, now, not so much. Our receivers may not be Floyd, but they don't drop many balls. Our players don't get many penalties. And of course he's going to do what it takes to win, so are our players. But don't kid yourself on RR being THAT cavalier with a players health, as thin as we are at DB don't you think he would do what he could to keep a safety?
Our Defense: Yes it's a paper bag, duh. But we've got some good young players, that are playing well with the situation that they've been placed in.
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Mr. Blue I think the point you might be missing is that this has all happened against 4 bad teams. UConn is clearly not where they were predicted to be (already shifting starting QBs), ND is probably about where I figured they'd be, UMass? BG? Come on bro, even you have to admit that the upcoming schedule might send you crashing to earth. There is no way you win a NC (Win it all), or even then Big10 for that matter, with that defense. Regardless of Robinson getting dog piled and put out your defense is about the same as running through a pylons drill.
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Oh I know there's not, I'd never bet on it. But I'm going to have fun watching it instead of worrying about stuff that I can't help.
And yes, I know UConn isn't what they were billed as and ND isn't Alabama. But really, who's done any better against better opponents?
Again, I wasn't being serious about the NC.
And yes, I know UConn isn't what they were billed as and ND isn't Alabama. But really, who's done any better against better opponents?
Again, I wasn't being serious about the NC.
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That's exactly how I felt about watching Jimmy and Golden last year. You guys have an exciting, special talent on your football team. When Michigan fans come around looking to gloat, I'm more than happy to point out the big three (injury, SOS so far, real defenses coming). But you're here for the love of the game, so I'll say this: enjoy watching DR. It's yet to be determined if he can win games for you, but there's no doubt that he'll be exciting.