Trump Presidency

[Polish Leppy 22]

Which interest rate do you believe is better under Trump than it was under Obama? Obviously rates are higher across the board under Biden, but which rate are you looking at for Obama. The Fed rate? LIBOR? 15/30 year fixed mortgage rate? Prime? Be specific.

Ok, so if you held your house and sold right now would you attribute the increase to Biden?

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Right - so his proposal of increasing the tax credit, is that something you support of his? Do you disagree with conservatives that don't want this increase?

Biden's record inflation - transfer payments as a % of GDP under Trump were higher than Biden, discretionary spending as a % of GDP was also higher under Trump? A higher percentage of funds were handed out from Trump than Biden, but you want to say Biden owns the inflation?



Can you STFU? We're right about to see someone advocate for giving citizens funds instead of euthanatizing brown people in the middle east. I'm sure this isn't opportunistic choice to support government transfers to the less fortunate instead of funding the military industrial complex. Sureelllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

It is jaw dropping that you have dug your feet in so far on the inflation thing. The fact that you, presumably as a CPA, can't connect the dots between gov spending and inflation is beyond belief. We're all supposed to gobble up this garbage that the Carter and Biden years were just bad luck and it was due to the global economy rather than their policies? Nah man, you should STFU and move on.

 

[TorontoGold]

It is jaw dropping that you have dug your feet in so far on the inflation thing. The fact that you, presumably as a CPA, can't connect the dots between gov spending and inflation is beyond belief. We're all supposed to gobble up this garbage that the Carter and Biden years were just bad luck and it was due to the global economy rather than their policies? Nah man, you should STFU and move on.

It's jaw dropping that you and others can't provide any explanation as to why inflation is not tied to the global economy, even though when looking at G7 countries you can see the rates move in pretty much unison. These governments consist of a wide swath of political beliefs, yet the inflation rate for them all seem to follow a similar pattern. Hmmmmmmm.

Presumably a CPA? I'll send an admin my credentials and they can verify it. It's not even that I have a CPA, I have a degree in macro economics lol.

Move on? lol you and the clown car "fiscal conservatives" can't even use big boy words and explanations besides "dude, muh milk iz xpensive!". I'm sorry that asking you to show your work is so tough.

I've provided numerous sources and data points. This isn't a culture war that you can just spout generalities. Republican's will always and forever be worse for the economy - no matter how many opinion polls say otherwise.

 

[PerthDomer]

It is jaw dropping that you have dug your feet in so far on the inflation thing. The fact that you, presumably as a CPA, can't connect the dots between gov spending and inflation is beyond belief. We're all supposed to gobble up this garbage that the Carter and Biden years were just bad luck and it was due to the global economy rather than their policies? Nah man, you should STFU and move on.

The great inflation started under Johnson and got bad under Nixon/Ford. Carter appointed Volker and gave him permission to jack up interest rates because the fed had lost credibility.

Reagan blew open the deficit which counterintuitive strengthened the dollar and worsened the competitiveness of our exports setting up deindustrialization.

 

[Irish#1]

It's jaw dropping that you and others can't provide any explanation as to why inflation is not tied to the global economy, even though when looking at G7 countries you can see the rates move in pretty much unison. These governments consist of a wide swath of political beliefs, yet the inflation rate for them all seem to follow a similar pattern. Hmmmmmmm.

Presumably a CPA? I'll send an admin my credentials and they can verify it. It's not even that I have a CPA, I have a degree in macro economics lol.

Move on? lol you and the clown car "fiscal conservatives" can't even use big boy words and explanations besides "dude, muh milk iz xpensive!". I'm sorry that asking you to show your work is so tough.

I've provided numerous sources and data points. This isn't a culture war that you can just spout generalities. Republican's will always and forever be worse for the economy - no matter how many opinion polls say otherwise.

Tied to a global economy doesn't mean you have to operate strictly in a global economy. Trump putting in regulations or policies to bring back supply chains from overseas is an example. The good news is gas hasn't reached $4.00 here. It's only $3.99 per gallon.

 

[Irish#1]

Ukraine money is funded by Congress and Maui isn't. Appropriation bills start in the House, so if you want to see more money go to Maui, get the Congress back in session to pass emergency funding.

Telling the folks on Maui to just wait until congress is in session? lol I think Biden can issue an Executive Order as a temporary step. Even if it's not an EO, he can make this happen right now. Presidents do it all the time for victims of tornadoes and hurricanes

 

[NDMatt91]

Shocker. Team Trump is working with the Dems to take out DeSantis.

 

[PerthDomer]

Tied to a global economy doesn't mean you have to operate strictly in a global economy. Trump putting in regulations or policies to bring back supply chains from overseas is an example. The good news is gas hasn't reached $4.00 here. It's only $3.99 per gallon.

Which supply chains did Trump move back to the US exactly? Additionally reshoring supply chains from overseas has an inflationary impact...

 

[TorontoGold]

Tied to a global economy doesn't mean you have to operate strictly in a global economy. Trump putting in regulations or policies to bring back supply chains from overseas is an example. The good news is gas hasn't reached $4.00 here. It's only $3.99 per gallon.

You absolutely have to, you don't have a choice. No legitimate economy is sheltered from outside influences. Unless you live in North Korea.

Trump starting trade wars with China was more harmful than good. Let's say they were to "work", bringing supply chains back to the US you would see an inflationary impact on input costs. I think we all agree that it's cheaper to produce a widget in China than it is the US. So, if you were to stop ABC Inc. from producing widgets in China, it would be more expensive to produce and sell them - increase the cost for US consumers.

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

 

[Irish#1]

You absolutely have to, you don't have a choice. No legitimate economy is sheltered from outside influences. Unless you live in North Korea.

Trump starting trade wars with China was more harmful than good. Let's say they were to "work", bringing supply chains back to the US you would see an inflationary impact on input costs. I think we all agree that it's cheaper to produce a widget in China than it is the US. So, if you were to stop ABC Inc. from producing widgets in China, it would be more expensive to produce and sell them - increase the cost for US consumers.

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

I don't disagree that it would raise prices as our labor is higher. His intent wasn't to reduce prices, but to remove some of the dependency on China and slow their attempt at them slowly becoming the dominant controlling country in the world.

 

[jprue24]

Telling the folks on Maui to just wait until congress is in session? lol I think Biden can issue an Executive Order as a temporary step. Even if it's not an EO, he can make this happen right now. Presidents do it all the time for victims of tornadoes and hurricanes

He's done what he can without Congress already. He isn't a King and FEMA's disaster relief fund is currently low. So...yeah, they have to wait on Congress.

Go read about how disaster funding works and come back with an accurate complaint, like Biden tieing the emergency funding to Ukraine funding which will/is causing hiccups in Congress.

 

[TorontoGold]

I don't disagree that it would raise prices as our labor is higher. His intent wasn't to reduce prices, but to remove some of the dependency on China and slow their attempt at them slowly becoming the dominant controlling country in the world.

If you don't disagree, why did you respond to my post about how inflation is directly tied to the global economy? What's your point? We're talking about inflation.

 

[Irish#1]

If you don't disagree, why did you respond to my post about how inflation is directly tied to the global economy? What's your point? We're talking about inflation.

You're too deep in the weeds of the numbers. You can be tied to a global economy, but it doesn't mean the global economy is the only thing that determines a countries economy. Your own policies will dictate much of that.

 

[TorontoGold]

You're too deep in the weeds of the numbers. You can be tied to a global economy, but it doesn't mean the global economy is the only thing that determines a countries economy. Your own policies will dictate much of that.

Ok, so if you look at this chart that tracks inflation by country - do the individual policies of these countries explain the difference between them? What proportion do you attribute to the policies enacted by that country? Being in the weeds of the numbers is important when you're discussing actual statistics instead of just platitudes picked up from our favorite political commentators. For example I used to be really active in my campus conservatives preached "fiscal conservativism" but after studying economics I realized the conservative movement wasn't for fiscal conservativism and just focused on cultural items.

G7 Inflation rates 2024| Statista

G7 inflation rates increased sharply in 2022 amid the COVID-19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

www.statista.com

 

[GoIrish41]

You're too deep in the weeds of the numbers. You can be tied to a global economy, but it doesn't mean the global economy is the only thing that determines a countries economy. Your own policies will dictate much of that.

Too deep in the numbers for a discussion about economics? Let’s just talk about a vague set of policies attributed incorrectly and not get all bogged down with economic measures that show if they work or not. 😂

 

[RDU Irish]

LOL - I personally witnessed fraud in 2000. Downtown Milwaukee bus at the polling station handing packs of cigs to everyone getting on the bus. Now I don't know that they weren't legitimately Milwaukee's homeless all rounded up to vote but I isn't hard to imagine the Illinois bus having piles of Chicago homeless registered in Milwaukee and bringing them up en masse since they have Illinois locked down solid. So forgive me if I don't believe Detroit, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee elections are above board.

"Rig" .

By any measure, Hillary beat Bernie by larger margins than Trump beat Cruz. Nothing was rigged, Bernie got stomped.

Don't be jealous that the DNC was able to keep a non-party member from the nomination and the RNC wasn't.

LO - f-ing - L - Hillary says 2016 was stolen from her. Whether she actually believes that or is just stirring the pot is another debate but how can anyone take her stance on Trump's supposed actions seriously given her stance on 2016? Stacey Abrams demands she was robbed to this day yet doesn't get the local DA up her ass? Perfect cases in point that both sides are full of shit and aren't serious about election integrity. Keep fighting voter ID and keep expanding from election day at the polls to election month from home to give bad actors more time to act and an easier row to hoe.

 

[GATTACA!]

LOL - I personally witnessed fraud in 2000. Downtown Milwaukee bus at the polling station handing packs of cigs to everyone getting on the bus. Now I don't know that they weren't legitimately Milwaukee's homeless all rounded up to vote but I isn't hard to imagine the Illinois bus having piles of Chicago homeless registered in Milwaukee and bringing them up en masse since they have Illinois locked down solid. So forgive me if I don't believe Detroit, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee elections are above board.

Should be fairly easy to prove then.

I’m eagerly waiting for one shred of evidence. It’s only been three years so far so I’m sure it will show up any day now.

 

[jprue24]

LOL - I personally witnessed fraud in 2000. Downtown Milwaukee bus at the polling station handing packs of cigs to everyone getting on the bus. Now I don't know that they weren't legitimately Milwaukee's homeless all rounded up to vote but I isn't hard to imagine the Illinois bus having piles of Chicago homeless registered in Milwaukee and bringing them up en masse since they have Illinois locked down solid. So forgive me if I don't believe Detroit, Atlanta, Philly and Milwaukee elections are above board.



LO - f-ing - L - Hillary says 2016 was stolen from her. Whether she actually believes that or is just stirring the pot is another debate but how can anyone take her stance on Trump's supposed actions seriously given her stance on 2016? Stacey Abrams demands she was robbed to this day yet doesn't get the local DA up her ass? Perfect cases in point that both sides are full of shit and aren't serious about election integrity. Keep fighting voter ID and keep expanding from election day at the polls to election month from home to give bad actors more time to act and an easier row to hoe.

Fella...you're thrashing around here trying to grab hold of anything huh? Your eye-witnessing of "fraud" doesn't even hold up to your own scrutiny.

Are we off the DNC "rigging" the primary and now onto other situations where a candidate cried foul but didn't try to overturn the results section of your ignorance?

 

[RDU Irish]

Ok, so if you look at this chart that tracks inflation by country - do the individual policies of these countries explain the difference between them? What proportion do you attribute to the policies enacted by that country? Being in the weeds of the numbers is important when you're discussing actual statistics instead of just platitudes picked up from our favorite political commentators. For example I used to be really active in my campus conservatives preached "fiscal conservativism" but after studying economics I realized the conservative movement wasn't for fiscal conservativism and just focused on cultural items.

G7 Inflation rates 2024| Statista

G7 inflation rates increased sharply in 2022 amid the COVID-19 pandemic and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

www.statista.com

Anyone voting for Republicans for fiscal conservatism needs their head examined. Republicans suck almost as bad as Democrats at spending too damn much money. There are zero fiscal conservatives in DC. Trump wasn't one either - anyone expecting that of him is lying to themselves. He didn't balk at shutting down the economy and printing stimulus and PPP loans that printed cash to surviving businesses and nothing for the ones forced to close. He was just as much a spendthrift as the next politician.

The only good thing Trump forced fiscally was permanent corporate tax reform (while keeping individual under the same 10 year reduction boondoggle structure that reverts back to old mess under someone else watch). Corporate tax reform benefits our economy for the long haul, including Biden.

Dems are smart b/c they push permanent reforms that never go away and Republicans can't wait to high five over some one time or short term deal while pumping as much money as possible to the Pentagon's never decreasing budget.

 

[RDU Irish]

Fella...your thrashing around here trying to grab hold of anything huh? Your eye-witnessing of "fraud" doesn't even hold up to your own scrutiny.

Are we off the DNC "rigging" the primary and now onto other situations where a candidate cried foul but didn't try to overturn the results section of your ignorance?

Fella - you think handing people packs of cigarettes to vote is the definition of election integrity? I'm sure it is an isolated incident that never happened before and never happened again. I mean it wasn't election day - these are early voters. No way they showed up the next day with the same crew saying they were a different degenerate. People scream for proof and mock first hand accounts. Kemp had 40,000 affidavits delivered that were not investigated, a number of which were turned away b/c they were told they already voted. I can't make the blind see.

Did Hillary get cheated in 2016? Did Stacey Abrams lose the GA governor race? Huh pal? Are you an election denier? Are you a hypocrite too?

Election Day with voter ID should be easy for non-cheaters to support.

 

[RDU Irish]

Telling the folks on Maui to just wait until congress is in session? lol I think Biden can issue an Executive Order as a temporary step. Even if it's not an EO, he can make this happen right now. Presidents do it all the time for victims of tornadoes and hurricanes

LOL - we can EO student loan payoffs but suddenly Congress holds the purse strings when US citizens need action. Money doesn't do much right now - they need mobilized relief in the form of goods and shelter. You would think Hawaii, which is a collection of volcanoes, would have better disaster response for fires and displaced residents - but then again it is pretty damn blue.

 

[GATTACA!]

Anyone voting for Republicans for fiscal conservatism needs their head examined. Republicans suck almost as bad as Democrats at spending too damn much money. There are zero fiscal conservatives in DC. Trump wasn't one either - anyone expecting that of him is lying to themselves. He didn't balk at shutting down the economy and printing stimulus and PPP loans that printed cash to surviving businesses and nothing for the ones forced to close. He was just as much a spendthrift as the next politician.

The only good thing Trump forced fiscally was permanent corporate tax reform (while keeping individual under the same 10 year reduction boondoggle structure that reverts back to old mess under someone else watch). Corporate tax reform benefits our economy for the long haul, including Biden.

Dems are smart b/c they push permanent reforms that never go away and Republicans can't wait to high five over some one time or short term deal while pumping as much money as possible to the Pentagon's never decreasing budget.

Damn 60 lawsuits and Trump’s team never thought of any of these. They should hire you as independent council.

Prove. It.

 

[jprue24]

Fella - you think handing people packs of cigarettes to vote is the definition of election integrity? I'm sure it is an isolated incident that never happened before and never happened again. I mean it wasn't election day - these are early voters. No way they showed up the next day with the same crew saying they were a different degenerate. People scream for proof and mock first hand accounts. Kemp had 40,000 affidavits delivered that were not investigated, a number of which were turned away b/c they were told they already voted. I can't make the blind see.

Did Hillary get cheated in 2016? Did Stacey Abrams lose the GA governor race? Huh pal? Are you an election denier? Are you a hypocrite too?

Election Day with voter ID should be easy for non-cheaters to support.

My guy, Hillary conceded no? The very next day right? Abrams' gripe is/was that people were disenfranchised, not that the outcome was rigged. She also conceded shortly after the election.

Lots of politicians say their loss was rigged and nothing happens because they don't take steps to reverse the election through illegal measures.


"Kemp had 40,000 affidavits delivered that were not investigated, a number of which were turned away b/c they were told they already voted. I can't make the blind see."

I want to know more about the 40K affidavits that were dropped off in Feb. 2022. These are the ones Mike Lindell dropped off right? Asking for a forensic audit of voting machines that already had a forensic audit done on them?



I'm "mocking" your first hand account (from 2000) because even you cast doubt on the veracity of your own thoughts. When you were witnessing this did you know for certain that the cigarettes were in exchange for voting for a specific candidate or just to go vote? You're sure it was a bus they were getting on? Was the bus packed?

Are you certain you actually witnessed this and didn't just hear about it (from Tuck Tuck?) or through a fwd fwd fwd? This was a thing back then so why didn't you make a statement about it? That could have been useful to the Milwaukee DA that was investigating it back then.

 

[TorontoGold]

Anyone voting for Republicans for fiscal conservatism needs their head examined. Republicans suck almost as bad as Democrats at spending too damn much money. There are zero fiscal conservatives in DC. Trump wasn't one either - anyone expecting that of him is lying to themselves. He didn't balk at shutting down the economy and printing stimulus and PPP loans that printed cash to surviving businesses and nothing for the ones forced to close. He was just as much a spendthrift as the next politician.

The only good thing Trump forced fiscally was permanent corporate tax reform (while keeping individual under the same 10 year reduction boondoggle structure that reverts back to old mess under someone else watch). Corporate tax reform benefits our economy for the long haul, including Biden.

Dems are smart b/c they push permanent reforms that never go away and Republicans can't wait to high five over some one time or short term deal while pumping as much money as possible to the Pentagon's never decreasing budget.

Exactly my point. Dems are just conservatives that tolerate anyone non-straight white. A lot of people here claim that Republican's didn't have the same money printing machine as Brandon, which we both agree isn't true. We've even seen it here where "omg Ukraine money!!! Hawaii!" but we both know that when it comes to decreasing military spending they would shit their pants because it would signal "weakness" even though there's police departments with better gear than some countries.

I think the timing of corporate tax reform was dubious with an economic cycle reaching it's end point. I would have loved to see Trump use his populist/nationalist view to close tax offshoring loopholes. I think it would have been a great sell to the common person who would easily understand that companies using American labor who offshore their profits should be paying their fair share as the mom and pop business in rural America.

 

[RDU Irish]

Wait? We need proof? You mean like Russia Collusion? Or like Hunter's laptop? Or is this like George Floyd and Michael Brown? You will never see proof b/c you are blind to that side.

 

[jprue24]

Yeah, what I figured.

Carlson: Democrats use Newports to get out the homeless vote

Lost in the spectacular turmoil over who took Florida in the 2000 presidential election was a kerfuffle in Milwaukee, Wi

www.politifact.com

 

[RDU Irish]

My guy, Hillary conceded no? The very next day right? Abrams' gripe is/was that people were disenfranchised, not that the outcome was rigged. She also conceded shortly after the election.

Lots of politicians say their loss was rigged and nothing happens because they don't take steps to reverse the election through illegal measures.


"Kemp had 40,000 affidavits delivered that were not investigated, a number of which were turned away b/c they were told they already voted. I can't make the blind see."

I want to know more about the 40K affidavits that were dropped off in Feb. 2022. These are the ones Mike Lindell dropped off right? Asking for a forensic audit of voting machines that already had a forensic audit done on them?



I'm "mocking" your first hand account (from 2000) because even you cast doubt on the veracity of your own thoughts. When you were witnessing this did you know for certain that the cigarettes were in exchange for voting for a specific candidate or just to go vote? You're sure it was a bus they were getting on? Was the bus packed?

Are you certain you actually witnessed this and didn't just hear about it (from Tuck Tuck?) or through a fwd fwd fwd? This was a thing back then so why didn't you make a statement about it? That could have been useful to the Milwaukee DA that was investigating it back then.

I saw a tour bus with Illinois plates being filled up with, let's say, unkept individuals quite happy to get a pack of cigarettes as they boarded the bus immediately after leaving the polling location. This was early voting, broad daylight in downtown Milwaukee. I did not report it so I am sure it is a coincidence I saw the only couple dozen packs of cigs being handed out.

COUNTING THE VOTE: WISCONSIN; G.O.P. in Wisconsin Collects Election Complaints and Considers Asking for a Recount (Published 2000)

"In the meantime, Republicans have publicized complaints they say they have received about the voting process. The state party set up a toll-free telephone line, and Rick Graber, the chairman of the Wisconsin Republican Party, said that about 1,000 complaints had been logged, most in the Democratic stronghold of Milwaukee County, but some in Green Bay, Madison and Fond du Lac. On Friday, Mr. Graber announced that he had asked the Milwaukee County district attorney, E. Michael McCann, to investigate.

Mr. McCann, a Democrat, said today that he was taking the accusations seriously, but that so far he had found ''no evidence of massive voter fraud.'' He said his staff had verified that one Democratic campaign worker acting on her own bought 40 packs of cigarettes, and that she and other people distributed them to 15 to 25 homeless men as an inducement to send in absentee ballots."

Keep pretending like these semantics are winning. There is fraud, just not "massive" whatever that means. Fraud arguments always die death by a thousand paper cuts.

If it is no big deal - lets just put everyone at ease and eliminate the debate with Voter ID and paper ballots on election day. Make it a national holiday and absentee ballots are available but not just b/c you are lazy.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah, what I figured.

Carlson: Democrats use Newports to get out the homeless vote

Lost in the spectacular turmoil over who took Florida in the 2000 presidential election was a kerfuffle in Milwaukee, Wi

www.politifact.com

LOL - you are so willfully and easily brainwashed. Can't be true! Doesn't fit my narrative! Tucker said it so its false! First hand personal accounts are all frauds! Hunter is misunderstood! Biden family made millions legitimately!

Enjoy your Soylent Green.

Holy hell, now I have to edit after reading the fact check. Half true b/c Carlson said "newports" when there was no report on the brand of cigarettes handed out and investigators tanked the investigation. All this proves is how much of a worthless sham Politifact "fact checkers" are.

I mean this is an iron clad defense - ""No one said that, ‘If I went to vote, I would receive cigarettes,’ " Glynn said. " - the defense rests your honor!

You schmucks probably think (I'm sorry, pretend is the right word) the only speeders are the ones who get a ticket. Not just a ticket though, a ticket for speeding that is admitted and paid for as such. You get the lawyer to get it knocked down to some other violation to save your insurance rates and you weren't a speeder at all. Only the ones fully fined for exactly that are speeders. Duh.

 

[RDU Irish]

LOL - Hillary didn't do anything.



Stacy Abrams - what a treasure

Government drops charges against all inauguration protesters
All charges dropped after the first few walk.

 

[jprue24]

I saw a tour bus with Illinois plates being filled up with, let's say, unkept individuals quite happy to get a pack of cigarettes as they boarded the bus immediately after leaving the polling location. This was early voting, broad daylight in downtown Milwaukee. I did not report it so I am sure it is a coincidence I saw the only couple dozen packs of cigs being handed out.

COUNTING THE VOTE: WISCONSIN; G.O.P. in Wisconsin Collects Election Complaints and Considers Asking for a Recount (Published 2000)

"In the meantime, Republicans have publicized complaints they say they have received about the voting process. The state party set up a toll-free telephone line, and Rick Graber, the chairman of the Wisconsin Republican Party, said that about 1,000 complaints had been logged, most in the Democratic stronghold of Milwaukee County, but some in Green Bay, Madison and Fond du Lac. On Friday, Mr. Graber announced that he had asked the Milwaukee County district attorney, E. Michael McCann, to investigate.

Mr. McCann, a Democrat, said today that he was taking the accusations seriously, but that so far he had found ''no evidence of massive voter fraud.'' He said his staff had verified that one Democratic campaign worker acting on her own bought 40 packs of cigarettes, and that she and other people distributed them to 15 to 25 homeless men as an inducement to send in absentee ballots."

Keep pretending like these semantics are winning. There is fraud, just not "massive" whatever that means. Fraud arguments always die death by a thousand paper cuts.

If it is no big deal - lets just put everyone at ease and eliminate the debate with Voter ID and paper ballots on election day. Make it a national holiday and absentee ballots are available but not just b/c you are lazy.

Yeah, I know about it. It was a thing in 2000, I remember. I question what you saw because it didn't match what investigation found and it was 23 years ago.

I have never said there isn't fraud. There just isn't election changing fraud. This is well documented.

Election Day becoming a national holiday is a dream come true. I've written my representatives pretty consistently about it.

LOL - you are so willfully and easily brainwashed. Can't be true! Doesn't fit my narrative! Tucker said it so its false! First hand personal accounts are all frauds! Hunter is misunderstood! Biden family made millions legitimately!

Enjoy your Soylent Green.

You are putting words in my mouth and that isn't what the link says.

 

[RDU Irish]

Yeah, I know about it. It was a thing in 2000, I remember. I question what you saw because it didn't match what investigation found and it was 23 years ago.

I have never said there isn't fraud. There just isn't election changing fraud. This is well documented.

Election Day becoming a national holiday is a dream come true. I've written my representatives pretty consistently about it.


You are putting words in my mouth and that isn't what the link says.

Sorry my personal experience didn't match your recollection of some other source you believe to be false too b/c politifact says so .

Keep telling yourself that there is no election CHANGING fraud. Exact same language from the DAs "well it wouldn't have changed the election so we aren't going to look any further or prosecute anyone." Death by a thousand papercuts. You think the fraudsters get that treatment and go straight or double down? I consider all the above to be "rigging" elections and fully expect it happens in every single election. I am not naive to think only one side partakes.

Until Trump won in 2016, then it is obviously fraud b/c you don't like it. Russians or something but definitely stolen! Bush in 2000 was stolen b/c it was close and Gore lost!