Trump Presidency

[IrishLax]

I’m reluctant to post on the ongoing election saga, because everyone deserves their day in court and to let the facts fall where they may. But I read the National Review (very conservative for those unfamiliar) on a daily basis for perspective, and this piece today is worth your consideration
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the menu today: a blunt message about who is conning who in the aftermath of the 2020 elections.<br> <a href="https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw">https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw</a></p>— Jim Geraghty (@jimgeraghty) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1329796169472626688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It’s worth noting that Trump campaign court filings are mostly not alleging fraud or outright stating that there was not fraud in the ballots they are challenging. Those that do allege fraud have all failed in court.

The point is not to prove fraud, it’s to raise the specter of fraud as cover for other actions to give the election to Trump. He needs to get Biden below 270 electoral votes by any means necessary. In Michigan, that means pressuring canvassing boards and legislators directly. In Wayne county they tried to use the excuse of minor “out of balance” discrepancies that happen every election cycle and we’re not as significant as 2016 as an excuse not to certify. Now that it’s at the state board, it literally comes down to a florist and a lawyer to decide to certify... and there is no rule that says they HAVE to certify or need a reason not to do it. The goal is to get it to the legislature, where Trump is currently meeting with local reps likely to pressure them to give him the electors.

In Georgia, they tried pressuring the Secretary of State and who knows if Brian Kemp tries some 11th hour curveball.

In Arizona, they are pressuring deep red counties to delay certification to muck up the process.

In Pennsylvania, the goal appears to ultimately be to go the SCOTUS because he isn’t winning cases and doesn’t have local level vulnerabilities to exploit.

Bottom line - this is very far from over and whether you think Trump’s path is “valid” he is sure as hell going for it. Almost none of the cases have anything to do with “fraud” though... and certainly none of them are trying to prove fraud in court. They are almost exclusively about trying to get votes excluded on technicalities or aiming to delay certification by any means necessary until it is too late to appoint the electors.

 

[Rogue219]

Believe what you all want.

That he lost and there is no evidence of fraud?

Done.

Happy Friday.

 

[Rogue219]

God ain't eligible to vote so that would make sense.

So God is black, too?

Nevermind the Jewish son who was born to a virgin in a barn that hung around sick and poor people until dying young, but damn, this is heavy stuff.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

I’m reluctant to post on the ongoing election saga, because everyone deserves their day in court and to let the facts fall where they may. But I read the National Review (very conservative for those unfamiliar) on a daily basis for perspective, and this piece today is worth your consideration
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the menu today: a blunt message about who is conning who in the aftermath of the 2020 elections.<br> <a href="https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw">https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw</a></p>— Jim Geraghty (@jimgeraghty) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1329796169472626688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It’s worth noting that Trump campaign court filings are mostly not alleging fraud or outright stating that there was not fraud in the ballots they are challenging. Those that do allege fraud have all failed in court.

The point is not to prove fraud, it’s to raise the specter of fraud as cover for other actions to give the election to Trump. He needs to get Biden below 270 electoral votes by any means necessary. In Michigan, that means pressuring canvassing boards and legislators directly. In Wayne county they tried to use the excuse of minor “out of balance” discrepancies that happen every election cycle and we’re not as significant as 2016 as an excuse not to certify. Now that it’s at the state board, it literally comes down to a florist and a lawyer to decide to certify... and there is no rule that says they HAVE to certify or need a reason not to do it. The goal is to get it to the legislature, where Trump is currently meeting with local reps likely to pressure them to give him the electors.

In Georgia, they tried pressuring the Secretary of State and who knows if Brian Kemp tries some 11th hour curveball.

In Arizona, they are pressuring deep red counties to delay certification to muck up the process.

In Pennsylvania, the goal appears to ultimately be to go the SCOTUS because he isn’t winning cases and doesn’t have local level vulnerabilities to exploit.

Bottom line - this is very far from over and whether you think Trump’s path is “valid” he is sure as hell going for it. Almost none of the cases have anything to do with “fraud” though... and certainly none of them are trying to prove fraud in court. They are almost exclusively about trying to get votes excluded on technicalities or aiming to delay certification by any means necessary until it is too late to appoint the electors.

Yeah man, it’s scary as hell. We’ll see on 1/20/21 if we still have a democracy, I suppose.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To soften the blow of defeat Fox's Geraldo proposes naming the vaccine after Trump. "It would be a nice gesture to him and years from now it would become kind of a generic name. Have you got your trump yet, I got my trump, I'm fine. I wished we could honor him in that way." <a href="https://t.co/fM8qwFhxF6">pic.twitter.com/fM8qwFhxF6</a></p>— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) <a href="https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1329776726726111233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NorthDakota]

So God is black, too?

Nevermind the Jewish son who was born to a virgin in a barn that hung around sick and poor people until dying young, but damn, this is heavy stuff.

Lol wut?

 

[GowerND11]

There is a guy who lives down the street from me that I've known all my life. Around April/May he made a homemade sign that said something to the effect of: "In a communist country you know who to vote for, in a democracy you know who not to vote for. Vote Trump!" He also had the prerequisite Trump 2020 flags, MAGA signs, etc.

Two weeks ago he took down his sign, and in its place is another hand painted sign, "Trump is my President" Now, I'm not a fan of Biden either, and voted for neither, but man... I really want to make a homemade sign and put it underneath his that says, "Until January 20th!" to flame the right!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I’m reluctant to post on the ongoing election saga, because everyone deserves their day in court and to let the facts fall where they may. But I read the National Review (very conservative for those unfamiliar) on a daily basis for perspective, and this piece today is worth your consideration
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On the menu today: a blunt message about who is conning who in the aftermath of the 2020 elections.<br> <a href="https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw">https://t.co/G2pqd1Awqw</a></p>— Jim Geraghty (@jimgeraghty) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/1329796169472626688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
It’s worth noting that Trump campaign court filings are mostly not alleging fraud or outright stating that there was not fraud in the ballots they are challenging. Those that do allege fraud have all failed in court.

The point is not to prove fraud, it’s to raise the specter of fraud as cover for other actions to give the election to Trump. He needs to get Biden below 270 electoral votes by any means necessary. In Michigan, that means pressuring canvassing boards and legislators directly. In Wayne county they tried to use the excuse of minor “out of balance” discrepancies that happen every election cycle and we’re not as significant as 2016 as an excuse not to certify. Now that it’s at the state board, it literally comes down to a florist and a lawyer to decide to certify... and there is no rule that says they HAVE to certify or need a reason not to do it. The goal is to get it to the legislature, where Trump is currently meeting with local reps likely to pressure them to give him the electors.

In Georgia, they tried pressuring the Secretary of State and who knows if Brian Kemp tries some 11th hour curveball.

In Arizona, they are pressuring deep red counties to delay certification to muck up the process.

In Pennsylvania, the goal appears to ultimately be to go the SCOTUS because he isn’t winning cases and doesn’t have local level vulnerabilities to exploit.

Bottom line - this is very far from over and whether you think Trump’s path is “valid” he is sure as hell going for it. Almost none of the cases have anything to do with “fraud” though... and certainly none of them are trying to prove fraud in court. They are almost exclusively about trying to get votes excluded on technicalities or aiming to delay certification by any means necessary until it is too late to appoint the electors.

Is this what the rest of your post is based on? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...trump-override-the-popular-vote-idUSKBN28016Z

This is some next level undemocratic stuff, man. If they're willing to go this far to steal an election, what's the end goal here? Where does it stop?

 

[NorthDakota]

Is this what the rest of your post is based on? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...trump-override-the-popular-vote-idUSKBN28016Z

This is some next level undemocratic stuff, man. If they're willing to go this far to steal an election, what's the end goal here? Where does it stop?

They don't have an endgame. I don't particularly care about democracy, it's merely one of many ways of doing things, but they should really knock it off.

I'm not gonna worry about ""what if they are able to do it" because that's not going to happen. Though it should be noted it was only four years ago when the great liberal hope was that the electors would refuse to cast their votes for Trump.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

They don't have an endgame. I don't particularly care about democracy, it's merely one of many ways of doing things, but they should really knock it off.

I'm not gonna worry about ""what if they are able to do it" because that's not going to happen. Though it should be noted it was only four years ago when the great liberal hope was that the electors would refuse to cast their votes for Trump.

I agree. This seems like a long shot and very unlikely to happen. If it did, it's more fuel to the Left's anti-Electoral College fire.

However, with each passing day of silence or spineless GOP reps refusing to stand up against these claims of fraud and this effort by Trump and his team to steal the election, grows greater divide and greater distrust. This is F'ing dangerous.

 

[NorthDakota]

I agree. This seems like a long shot and very unlikely to happen. If it did, it's more fuel to the Left's anti-Electoral College fire.

However, with each passing day of silence or spineless GOP reps refusing to stand up against these claims of fraud and this effort by Trump and his team to steal the election, grows greater divide and greater distrust. This is F'ing dangerous.

Embrace the division and distrust only then can we obtain salvation!

 

[BleedBlueGold]

IMO, anyone who thinks tens of thousands of votes are not being illegally harvested is naive. Paper ballots, in person, ID required with tight absentee processes for those that can't do so. Early voting should be condensed to two weeks max. GFY with these touch screen systems and anything that doesn't have a full paper trail.

The fraud of manufactured ballots has to be caught on the front end, once they are in the system it's a done deal. Recounts only count fraudulent ballots again and do not capture destroyed or tainted ballots. Recanvas doesn't seem to do shit for purging dead people and movers for either the present or future elections.

You will never convince me the "voter suppression" crowd is doing anything but trying to make it easier to cheat and manipulate.

All this does not mean I do not "accept" Biden as the next president. I hope Trump has a smoking gun, but that is a fantasy at this point. Realistically, I hope this leads to reforms that make PA/WI/MI/GA look more like Florida's process in the future. I have little doubt a cleaner process would have a different result in these areas. But being right doesn't count for much. Reality is still Biden gets to play president for a while so Hunter can rake in a higher day rate while Kamala waits until after mid terms to take over.

Prove it.

 

[NDRock]

Neat. As a Roman history fan it will be fun watching the fall of the American Republic. Good times.

 

[IrishLax]

Is this what the rest of your post is based on? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...trump-override-the-popular-vote-idUSKBN28016Z

This is some next level undemocratic stuff, man. If they're willing to go this far to steal an election, what's the end goal here? Where does it stop?

I hadn't read this particular articles, but it seems to capture the gist of what's going on.

I've been following the Trump team's filings very closely, and the bottom line is that nothing said in court is even in the same universe of what they are publicly stating outside of court. Like it's not even "there's fraud, and we'd like to present the evidence later" it's mostly "we affirmatively attest that this filing is NOT about fraud." There are some cases where they submit affidavits about irregularities, and they have lost every single one of those cases, often getting laughed out of court. Some of the affidavits just flatly do not hold up to scrutiny either... like the one today where they confused Michigan and Minnesota so their "proof" of fraud was actually using numbers from the wrong state contrasted to the population of an entirely different state.

Anyways, while they are not filing fraud cases what they ARE doing is putting massive pressure on Republicans in these states to take individual action to overturn the results of the election. This really puts them in a bind, because they are likely to lose re-election for being "disloyal" to Trump. Others are straight up true believers who actively want to do everything in their power to give the election to Trump and/or believe everything was "rigged." Either way, the goal is to disregard the vote totals entirely. for all intents and purposes they have entirely given up on trying to win by number of counted votes.

Some people, like Georgia's secretary of state, basically told Trump to fuck off and stop lying. But we started seeing the first cracks in what is possible when two low level functionaries in Michigan refused to certify the results in Wayne County citing "out of balance" issues that are less than 2016; common; easily explainable; wouldn't impact the results; and are not at all indicative of fraud. Now we're on a florist and a lawyer who could opt -- on a whim -- not to certify Michigan's election results. That would kick it to the state legislature, barring court intervention, and Trump today flew Michigan lawmakers to DC to pressure them directly push things his way.

What are the odds Michigan doesn't certify on Monday? I think they're very high. The florist is a crack pot conspiracy theorist whose wife was a Trump poll watcher. The other is basically in hiding. What are the odds that Republicans in the Michigan statehouse then try to invalidate the election results? That I don't know.

Trump is trying something that no candidate has ever tried before, and it very well might work. That's why I think it's premature to really get into the weeds on this, the primary takeaway I have at this point is that the entire American election system seems predicated on people acting in good faith and it is extremely vulnerable to manipulation given who holds the levers of power. There are a lot of arcane rules that hypothetically allow states to just ignore the votes that were cast under any pretext they so choose.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So you do think it's "rigged"!
This argument will go nowhere I agree.
I'm old enough to put Country over party affiliations.
God, Country, Notre Dame.
I don't put party in front of Country.

Get off your pedestal and tell me how old you are so I know how to respond appropriately. If you're 19 or 79 I'll just ignore you and say bless you. If you're anywhere in between...well, sorry in advance.

The modern Left absolutely despises the first two in "God, Country, Notre Dame."

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Get off your pedestal and tell me how old you are so I know how to respond appropriately. If you're 19 or 79 I'll just ignore you and say bless you. If you're anywhere in between...well, sorry in advance.

The modern Left absolutely despises the first two in "God, Country, Notre Dame."

Ugh

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Ugh

Strong and substantive. Really made me sit back and re-evaluate my position. What else ya got?

 

[arahop]

I hadn't read this particular articles, but it seems to capture the gist of what's going on.

I've been following the Trump team's filings very closely, and the bottom line is that nothing said in court is even in the same universe of what they are publicly stating outside of court. Like it's not even "there's fraud, and we'd like to present the evidence later" it's mostly "we affirmatively attest that this filing is NOT about fraud." There are some cases where they submit affidavits about irregularities, and they have lost every single one of those cases, often getting laughed out of court. Some of the affidavits just flatly do not hold up to scrutiny either... like the one today where they confused Michigan and Minnesota so their "proof" of fraud was actually using numbers from the wrong state contrasted to the population of an entirely different state.

Anyways, while they are not filing fraud cases what they ARE doing is putting massive pressure on Republicans in these states to take individual action to overturn the results of the election. This really puts them in a bind, because they are likely to lose re-election for being "disloyal" to Trump. Others are straight up true believers who actively want to do everything in their power to give the election to Trump and/or believe everything was "rigged." Either way, the goal is to disregard the vote totals entirely. for all intents and purposes they have entirely given up on trying to win by number of counted votes.

Some people, like Georgia's secretary of state, basically told Trump to fuck off and stop lying. But we started seeing the first cracks in what is possible when two low level functionaries in Michigan refused to certify the results in Wayne County citing "out of balance" issues that are less than 2016; common; easily explainable; wouldn't impact the results; and are not at all indicative of fraud. Now we're on a florist and a lawyer who could opt -- on a whim -- not to certify Michigan's election results. That would kick it to the state legislature, barring court intervention, and Trump today flew Michigan lawmakers to DC to pressure them directly push things his way.

What are the odds Michigan doesn't certify on Monday? I think they're very high. The florist is a crack pot conspiracy theorist whose wife was a Trump poll watcher. The other is basically in hiding. What are the odds that Republicans in the Michigan statehouse then try to invalidate the election results? That I don't know.

Trump is trying something that no candidate has ever tried before, and it very well might work. That's why I think it's premature to really get into the weeds on this, the primary takeaway I have at this point is that the entire American election system seems predicated on people acting in good faith and it is extremely vulnerable to manipulation given who holds the levers of power. There are a lot of arcane rules that hypothetically allow states to just ignore the votes that were cast under any pretext they so choose.

Very alarming. Even more alarming is the fact that the people support him after all of this.
Best case.
I hope that he just ends up being the bigges disgrace this country will ever know as President.
Worst case he uproots American Democracy.

On the way home today I saw a 5 car envoy of trucks with the American Flag, Trump flag and 2 of which I could see with the confederate flag front plate.
Just amazing.
Scary to think of a new kind of "Civil War" that could ensue on the long shot chance, should he succeed.
Meanwhile refrigerated trucks are being sent to city hospitals close to where I live for the onslaught of deaths from Covid that is happening and for more to come.
I was probably the least political person in the world 4 years ago.
Today I can't even respect someone who supports trump nor would I want to have anything to do with anyone that does. I think most people who do are at best greedy, or just are so Pro-Life that they can't see that their moral values blind them.
I'm pro Life but I'm not the one who is equipped to judge people who do, That's for God I imagine.
I

At worst trumpers are racist, hateful, greedy people who feel validated that others can be more open a about it.
That's trumpism and it has a chance to really sink this country.
Those are grim stakes.. it's what the situation of this country is and it's the worst possible timing.

I hope some peace and clarity comes soon.

 

[NDRock]

I voted 3rd party for President and Republican on the rest of the ticket, save one (Tennessee) but I will say: if the Democrats were able to coordinate a massive voter fraud involving millions of votes, hundreds of people, countless cities over a half dozen states and not only not get found out ahead of time but did it so well that the President and his lawyers and the Federal government (Homeland Security) were unable to uncover enough evidence to convince any court of the conspiracy, well sign me up. That’s who I want running the country because they’re obviously way smarter than the Republicans.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Strong and substantive. Really made me sit back and re-evaluate my position. What else ya got?

Lol it’s not worth typing anything out. It’s.. it’s just, ugh. Ugh.

 

[Wild Bill]

Very alarming. Even more alarming is the fact that the people support him after all of this.
Best case.
I hope that he just ends up being the bigges disgrace this country will ever know as President.
Worst case he uproots American Democracy.

On the way home today I saw a 5 car envoy of trucks with the American Flag, Trump flag and 2 of which I could see with the confederate flag front plate.
Just amazing.
Scary to think of a new kind of "Civil War" that could ensue on the long shot chance, should he succeed.
Meanwhile refrigerated trucks are being sent to city hospitals close to where I live for the onslaught of deaths from Covid that is happening and for more to come.
I was probably the least political person in the world 4 years ago.
Today I can't even respect someone who supports trump nor would I want to have anything to do with anyone that does. I think most people who do are at best greedy, or just are so Pro-Life that they can't see that their moral values blind them.
I'm pro Life but I'm not the one who is equipped to judge people who do, That's for God I imagine.
I

At worst trumpers are racist, hateful, greedy people who feel validated that others can be more open a about it.
That's trumpism and it has a chance to really sink this country.
Those are grim stakes.. it's what the situation of this country is and it's the worst possible timing.

I hope some peace and clarity comes soon.

You're a passionate person. You have the mindset and nature of a woman. Post more.

 

[NEIIrish]

You're a passionate person. You have the mindset and nature of a woman. Post more.

Really took it to cuck level 12.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Really took it to cuck level 12.

That’s a great cuck level. Not as good as level 7, but still really good.

 

[NorthDakota]

Very alarming. Even more alarming is the fact that the people support him after all of this.
Best case.
I hope that he just ends up being the bigges disgrace this country will ever know as President.
Worst case he uproots American Democracy.

On the way home today I saw a 5 car envoy of trucks with the American Flag, Trump flag and 2 of which I could see with the confederate flag front plate.
Just amazing.
Scary to think of a new kind of "Civil War" that could ensue on the long shot chance, should he succeed.
Meanwhile refrigerated trucks are being sent to city hospitals close to where I live for the onslaught of deaths from Covid that is happening and for more to come.
I was probably the least political person in the world 4 years ago.
Today I can't even respect someone who supports trump nor would I want to have anything to do with anyone that does. I think most people who do are at best greedy, or just are so Pro-Life that they can't see that their moral values blind them.
I'm pro Life but I'm not the one who is equipped to judge people who do, That's for God I imagine.
I

At worst trumpers are racist, hateful, greedy people who feel validated that others can be more open a about it.
That's trumpism and it has a chance to really sink this country.
Those are grim stakes.. it's what the situation of this country is and it's the worst possible timing.

I hope some peace and clarity comes soon.

Holy drama batman lol

 

[NEIIrish]

That’s a great cuck level. Not as good as level 7, but still really good.

Cuck level is measured on virtue signal. Racist whites are apex predators and this board has them in spades no pun intended or maybe not

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Lol it’s not worth typing anything out. It’s.. it’s just, ugh. Ugh.

You sound like a 12 year old girl

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

You sound like a 12 year old girl

Dude in what way do you get to say liberals hate God and Country while republicans stand firmly behind the most Godless man one can imagine and are well and truly putting party ahead of country? There are countless liberals who have God in their lives that try to practice what he preached, you know, helping others and condemning the wealthy, among others. Republicans are more godly because of the issue of abortion? Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. They may say they’re more religious, but they sure as shit don’t act like it. And delaying the transition in the middle of a pandemic is one of the more damning examples of putting party over country that could possibly happen. The idea conservatives think they hold some sort of superiority over liberals when it comes to god and country is utter nonsense, full stop.

 

[NorthDakota]

Dude in what way do you get to say liberals hate God and Country while republicans stand firmly behind the most Godless man one can imagine and are well and truly putting party ahead of country? There are countless liberals who have God in their lives that try to practice what he preached, you know, helping others and condemning the wealthy, among others. Republicans are more godly because of the issue of abortion? Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. They may say they’re more religious, but they sure as shit don’t act like it. And delaying the transition in the middle of a pandemic is one of the more damning examples of putting party over country that could possibly happen. The idea conservatives think they hold some sort of superiority over liberals when it comes to god and country is utter nonsense, full stop.

There is a moral superiority. You learn an awful lot about someone by their views on abortion.

 

[Bluto]

There is a moral superiority. You learn an awful lot about someone by their views on abortion.

Or capital punishment and war.

 

[arahop]

Dude in what way do you get to say liberals hate God and Country while republicans stand firmly behind the most Godless man one can imagine and are well and truly putting party ahead of country? There are countless liberals who have God in their lives that try to practice what he preached, you know, helping others and condemning the wealthy, among others. Republicans are more godly because of the issue of abortion? Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. They may say they’re more religious, but they sure as shit don’t act like it. And delaying the transition in the middle of a pandemic is one of the more damning examples of putting party over country that could possibly happen. The idea conservatives think they hold some sort of superiority over liberals when it comes to god and country is utter nonsense, full stop.

Agreed