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Again, I don't view that as a winning point but there are people that believe it was handled very poorly. 61M people contracted it and 90% of deaths were under the age of 65. It's only one man's opinion but Ron Klein (Biden campaign advisor, worked for him during his VP stint in the WH, and led the Ebola response team in 14-15') called the success of their H1N1 response "just luck" based on it not being as lethal.

So, there has to be some value in his opinion (admission) that they didn't do a good job handling it.

You'd think maybe we could have learned from some of the successes and failures of how it was handled back then.

Pivoting to last night:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...-raise-15-million-for-democrats/#3e3a7de34d8f

This kind of funny money always baffles me. Is this Soros?
 

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Well, I don't think it's a lie. He said that if the Swine flu had been as lethal as Covid, due to the numbers that contracted it, that many people would have died. That's just math based on 61M people contracting it.

Now, I don't think that's a winning issue but it's not a lie. He didn't say it was as lethal.

That's every bit as "valid" as saying that if chicken pox was as lethal as small pox then kids everywhere would've died in the thousands.... instead of needing an oatmeal bath.

While technically true, it's a complete non-sequitur and has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

The United States and the rest of the world didn't shut down for H1N1 specifically because it was nowhere close to as lethal as something like COVID. Pence intentionally distorted the situation and quotes to try to score a cheap point with stupid people. He wants stupid people to believe that they were comparable pandemics and if Obama had been in charge during COVID that we'd be in an even worse situations. That's, frankly, total crap and worthy of derision.
 

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These need to be fact checked in real time somehow.

I seriously doubt that would do much in the way of changing anyone's mind, but if you can reach just one person....

I bet that one person isn't on IE! lol
 

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I don't need the moderator to be a well known cable TV news anchor. Get a real debate moderator in there who knows what the hell they're doing.

I saw a Fact Check on it this morning. Wasn't very favorable for Pence. Harris left a lot of answers needing more context as well.

Worst part of this was Pence's hypothetical bullshit about Swine Flu. You have to be in the Fox News bubble not to find that answer completely stupid.



If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

If there is data to support this claim from any health organization, I'd love to see it.

I have yet to hear what the Democrats would do differently regarding COVID...other than keep the borders open and the country shutdown...EXCEPT OF COURSE FOR THE DAMN PEACEFULLY PROTESTORS.. The President and VP have done a commendable job.

The hypothetical is a hypothetical. Only an idiot fact checks a hypothetical.
 

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I have yet to hear what the Democrats would do differently regarding COVID...other than keep the borders open and the country shutdown...EXCEPT OF COURSE FOR THE DAMN PEACEFULLY PROTESTORS.. The President and VP have done a commendable job.

The hypothetical is a hypothetical. Only an idiot fact checks a hypothetical.

You need to stop trolling. They have repeatedly said what they will do differently -- including in both debates -- and have a documented plan of exactly what they would do https://joebiden.com/covid19/#

Unsurprisingly, hosting super spreader events where they ignore CDC guidelines is not part of their plan. You're free to disagree with their plan and explain why, but you're not entitled to bullsh*t everyone in all caps.
 

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Well, I don't think it's a lie. He said that if the Swine flu had been as lethal as Covid, due to the numbers that contracted it, that many people would have died. That's just math based on 61M people contracting it.

Now, I don't think that's a winning issue but it's not a lie. He didn't say it was as lethal.

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Well, I don't think it's a lie. He said that if the Swine flu had been as lethal as Covid, due to the numbers that contracted it, that many people would have died. That's just math based on 61M people contracting it.

Now, I don't think that's a winning issue but it's not a lie. He didn't say it was as lethal.

The core of the question is the federal response to each pandemic. Early on we new this would present problems that any influenza pandemic did not except for 1918. Without the Chinese scientist releasing the genome to the world, this would have been way worse and we would not be on track for a vaccine in this short amount of time.

Here's how GAO evaluated the federal response and interaction with the states on. H1N1.

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The 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic was the first human pandemic in over four decades, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate that there were as many as 89 million U.S. cases. Over $6 billion was available for the response, led by the Departments of Health and Human Services (HHS) and Homeland Security (DHS), with coordination provided by the Homeland Security Council (HSC) through its National Security Staff (NSS). In particular, HHS's CDC worked with states and localities to communicate with the public and to distribute H1N1 vaccine and supplies. GAO was asked (1) how HHS used the funding, (2) the key issues raised by the federal response, and (3) the actions taken to identify and incorporate lessons learned. GAO reviewed documents and interviewed officials from five states about their interaction with the federal government. GAO also reviewed documents and interviewed officials from HHS, DHS, the Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), NSS, and others, such as associations.

As of December 2010, HHS had spent about two-thirds of the $6.15 billion that it had available for the H1N1 pandemic response. HHS spent the majority of the funds on developing and purchasing H1N1 vaccine and providing grants to all the states and selected local jurisdictions. State and local health officials reported that the grant funding was critical to their response efforts but also noted challenges presented by the grants' administrative requirements. HHS's spending plans for the remaining $1.98 billion include longer-term pandemic preparation efforts, such as activities to reduce the length of time required to produce a vaccine.
Source: https://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-632

Pence's hypothetical would rely on changing H1N1 mortality have a higher rate of asymptomatic contagious positive population, a longer duration before symptoms appear, prior exposure to the same type of virus, no partial immunity from other flus, and none of the population who had a vaccine for it.

The other factor also known for a while is a metric called R0, pronounced R-naught, represents how many people an average person with a virus infects. The coronavirus has an R0 of roughly 2 to 2.5, meaning that each new person spreads the disease to about 2.2 people on average. the H1N1 virus median R0 value for 2009 was 1.46.

Two hundred million plus deaths is a rolling number that could well increase significantly by the time this is over estimating anywhere between 300-400 million.
 
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You need to stop trolling. They have repeatedly said what they will do differently -- including in both debates -- and have a documented plan of exactly what they would do https://joebiden.com/covid19/#

Unsurprisingly, hosting super spreader events where they ignore CDC guidelines is not part of their plan. You're free to disagree with their plan and explain why, but you're not entitled to bullsh*t everyone in all caps.

I watched both debates and I heard nothing. Went to the site you provided, and the only distinction is bullet point 6. In that bullet point, Biden wants to restore the relationship with WHO. The same WHO that was instrumental in allowing the virus to spread internationally. Okay?

Funny how the website mentions following the science and you mention super spreader gatherings. Do you think the protests played a part in spreading the virus? Why did Science Inc turn a blind eye to the protests that likely played a part in spreading the virus in minority communities.?
 

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That's every bit as "valid" as saying that if chicken pox was as lethal as small pox then kids everywhere would've died in the thousands.... instead of needing an oatmeal bath.

While technically true, it's a complete non-sequitur and has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

The United States and the rest of the world didn't shut down for H1N1 specifically because it was nowhere close to as lethal as something like COVID. Pence intentionally distorted the situation and quotes to try to score a cheap point with stupid people. He wants stupid people to believe that they were comparable pandemics and if Obama had been in charge during COVID that we'd be in an even worse situations. That's, frankly, total crap and worthy of derision.

Again, I'm not making a point for the merits of it but it's not a lie.

I wish the point the administration would make is how difficult this is due to the lack of collective agreement on response.

Anybody that says this is a Trump issue and is denying any and all Presidents would've had similar issues due to State rights and their clear want to handle their responses independently isn't being honest.

I mean, Gov. Cuomo is a great example. At the end of March, New York contained 30% of all cases. Trump wanted to lockdown the Tri-state area and Cuomo threatened law suit. 1. It probably would've helped. 2. A national lockdown would've been met with angry states that didn't feel they needed them. 3. So, also lawsuits.
 

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That Pence comment is just an immoral lie. ... and another of the endless train of crap comment which eliminates truth entirely from public discussion.

Q: Do you know when Trump, Pence, Biden and Harris are telling the truth?

A: When they have their mouths shut.

Not picking on you specifically OMM, but I find the outrage, judgemental and condescending attitudes quite funny. Everyone has an itchy trigger finger just waiting to fire that shot that shows their candidate is superior by demeaning the opposition.

Trumps laundry has been aired here too many times to remember, so I won't rehash it (My keyboard might wear out before I was done). Biden's as well. He's a typical career politician who has no business being in politics anymore let alone our next President. Harris has as questionable past as well. Her indiscretions and use of power to get where she is today should trouble you as much as Trumps ego and mouth. I'm no fan of Pence and haven't been since Karen taught my kids, but of these four people he is best qualified to be running the country. He may be a little too "stuffed shirt" for some, but when it comes to real "baggage" he's the one that doesn't have any.

Carry on.
 

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I have yet to hear what the Democrats would do differently regarding COVID...other than keep the borders open and the country shutdown...EXCEPT OF COURSE FOR THE DAMN PEACEFULLY PROTESTORS.. The President and VP have done a commendable job.

The hypothetical is a hypothetical. Only an idiot fact checks a hypothetical.

I'm talking about fact checking the debate answer by answer as it goes along. That part wasn't in reference to Pence's aunt with testicles Swine Flu answer.

For example:

On day one, Joe Biden is going to raise your taxes: Pence

This is false: Biden has proposed tax increases only on households making more than $400,000 a year.

Biden also doesn't want to ban fracking.

Harris said that Trump called the virus a hoax. Also not true. Trump cast the Democrats’ criticism of his work as foisting a hoax on the public.

TRUMP:
"They tried the impeachment hoax," he said. "That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax."
 
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Again, I'm not making a point for the merits of it but it's not a lie.

I wish the point the administration would make is how difficult this is due to the lack of collective agreement on response.

Anybody that says this is a Trump issue and is denying any and all Presidents would've had similar issues due to State rights and their clear want to handle their responses independently isn't being honest.

I mean, Gov. Cuomo is a great example. At the end of March, New York contained 30% of all cases. Trump wanted to lockdown the Tri-state area and Cuomo threatened law suit. 1. It probably would've helped. 2. A national lockdown would've been met with angry states that didn't feel they needed them. 3. So, also lawsuits.

No, Governor Cuomo is not a "great example". He is widely regarded by everyone who is being intellectually honest on both sides as having made major mistakes. He also had to unfortunate situation of being a guinea pig, so it's not realistic to expect him to have gotten everything right initially because virtually no one did.

Saying people would've had "similar issues" at the start is fine. Because people didn't really know what to expect, how the virus behaves, etc.

Pretending other presidents would've had the continued and extended period of abject failure that we've seen since is ridiculous. You had Trump actively ignoring CDC guidelines and setting a terrible example for Americans. That has nothing to do with "states rights" and everything to do with people taking cues from their leader. You cannot expect Americans to take it seriously when their leader doesn't take it seriously. He also rage tweeted misinformation on a daily basis and contradicted his own public health officials. He scrapped national testing and tracing initiatives that have proven effective in other countries. You can write literal paragraphs about his own personal failures in leadership that have nothing to do with "states rights" or anyone else but himself.
 

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I'm no fan of Pence and haven't been since Karen taught my kids, but of these four people he is best qualified to be running the country.

If this is true, I am terribly vexed about our system and process.
 

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I'm talking about fact checking the debate answer by answer as it goes along. That part wasn't in reference to Pence's aunt with testicles Swine Flu answer.

For example:

On day one, Joe Biden is going to raise your taxes: Pence

This is false: Biden has proposed tax increases only on households making more than $400,000 a year.

Biden also doesn't want to ban fracking.


Harris said that Trump called the virus a hoax. Also not true. Trump cast the Democrats’ criticism of his work as foisting a hoax on the public.

TRUMP:

Well, these are two topics we need more clarity on. Both Biden and Kamala were adamant during primaries that they were going to end fracking. Very adamant. So, I think some clarification from them would be important. Why and when did this change.

Also, on the taxes for 400k+. Again, more clarity which she didn't provide. The trump tax cuts do have increased deductions for families. If you repeal the whole thing then you'd also be eliminating those increased deductions on families below 400k. So, we need more clarity on whether these in fact are true or Harris doesn't know what she's talking about.
 

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Again, I'm not making a point for the merits of it but it's not a lie.

I wish the point the administration would make is how difficult this is due to the lack of collective agreement on response.

Anybody that says this is a Trump issue and is denying any and all Presidents would've had similar issues due to State rights and their clear want to handle their responses independently isn't being honest.

I mean, Gov. Cuomo is a great example. At the end of March, New York contained 30% of all cases. Trump wanted to lockdown the Tri-state area and Cuomo threatened law suit. 1. It probably would've helped. 2. A national lockdown would've been met with angry states that didn't feel they needed them. 3. So, also lawsuits.

Without any knowledge or reliance on the Pandemic Response Act that was passed in 2006 and renewed since then, it probably was very difficult for this Admin to come to a collective agreement. GAO's evaluation was based on those Acts which created plans throughout the Executive branch and compelled the states to do the same. Trump was in denial though he knew how lethal it was. I'm not saying that the trillions we have spent would have been as low as the $6.5 billion spent by the federal gov for H1N1. I'm sure there were many in and outside of the Admin that tried to stress the impacts of this. The Admin even fought the commander of the U.S.S. Roosevelt and the military on instituting the DoD pandemic response plan from 2006.
 

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Well, these are two topics we need more clarity on. Both Biden and Kamala were adamant during primaries that they were going to end fracking. Very adamant. So, I think some clarification from them would be important. Why and when did this change.

Also, on the taxes for 400k+. Again, more clarity which she didn't provide. The trump tax cuts do have increased deductions for families. If you repeal the whole thing then you'd also be eliminating those increased deductions on families below 400k. So, we need more clarity on whether these in fact are true or Harris doesn't know what she's talking about.

Again, a better moderator with real time fact checking could go back to what was said during primaries, the time where we all fall in love before falling in line during a general.

These details are out there. A moderator would and should have them at their disposal.
 

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That's every bit as "valid" as saying that if chicken pox was as lethal as small pox then kids everywhere would've died in the thousands.... instead of needing an oatmeal bath.

While technically true, it's a complete non-sequitur and has nothing to do with the situation at hand.

The United States and the rest of the world didn't shut down for H1N1 specifically because it was nowhere close to as lethal as something like COVID. Pence intentionally distorted the situation and quotes to try to score a cheap point with stupid people. He wants stupid people to believe that they were comparable pandemics and if Obama had been in charge during COVID that we'd be in an even worse situations. That's, frankly, total crap and worthy of derision.

Idk...the quote of the old chief of staff talking about the Swine Flu didnt exactly seem to indicate they didnt shut down because it wasn't deadly. Seemed to me that he acknowledged that they simply got lucky that it wasn't particularly deadly.

There is a big difference between 1.) We made an informed decision not to take rash action because the harm done would exceed the harm avoided, and 2.) We made no decision and it ended up working out.
 

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Well, these are two topics we need more clarity on. Both Biden and Kamala were adamant during primaries that they were going to end fracking. Very adamant. So, I think some clarification from them would be important. Why and when did this change.

Also, on the taxes for 400k+. Again, more clarity which she didn't provide. The trump tax cuts do have increased deductions for families. If you repeal the whole thing then you'd also be eliminating those increased deductions on families below 400k. So, we need more clarity on whether these in fact are true or Harris doesn't know what she's talking about.

How much detail do you expect her to be able to go into in 2 minutes? His tax plan has been out for a long time -- https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/her...x-proposals-mean-for-american-households.html
The Democratic presidential contender is proposing an expansion of the child tax credit to maximum of $3,000 for children aged 17 and under, plus a $600 bonus for kids under age six.
Biden wants to boost the child and dependent care tax credit to a maximum value of $8,000 from $2,100.
I think it's completely disingenuous to see people trying to say Biden has to give "more specifics" when he's the one with a real policy platform and real positions. Trump has been promising a healthcare plan for 5 years and still hasn't released anything that could be considered a real, detailed policy proposal.
 

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No, Governor Cuomo is not a "great example". He is widely regarded by everyone who is being intellectually honest on both sides as having made major mistakes. He also had to unfortunate situation of being a guinea pig, so it's not realistic to expect him to have gotten everything right initially because virtually no one did.

Saying people would've had "similar issues" at the start is fine. Because people didn't really know what to expect, how the virus behaves, etc.

Pretending other presidents would've had the continued and extended period of abject failure that we've seen since is ridiculous. You had Trump actively ignoring CDC guidelines and setting a terrible example for Americans. That has nothing to do with "states rights" and everything to do with people taking cues from their leader. You cannot expect Americans to take it seriously when their leader doesn't take it seriously. He also rage tweeted misinformation on a daily basis and contradicted his own public health officials. He scrapped national testing and tracing initiatives that have proven effective in other countries. You can write literal paragraphs about his own personal failures in leadership that have nothing to do with "states rights" or anyone else but himself.

That's the point. After the fact, Cuomo, who was in the face of every American, every day, for his heroics turned out to be a complete dunce on the matter. But the damage was already done. I was at home with my mother, mother-in-law, and wife. My mother in-law and mother were watching CNN and MSNBC as these Democratic Gov's were getting on TV lambasting the President. Every single day. That undermines confidence and any authority or respect the public should have for his decision making. In real time, people did not think Cuomo was the idiot he looks like today. He was being cheered for his 'bravery'. It's gross to now think about.

And again, just like if we did a national lockdown for the whole country and a coordinated effort, there would've been other states that'd be pissed and suing about their state rights. The stats rights issue is a system issue that would've been in play regardless of administration.

Similarly, in hindsight we're now finding out that Gov. Whitmer went above and beyond her purview with her lockdown restrictions. She was a very adamant face of the Democratic opposition to Trump, along with Cuomo, early on. You don't think this had a significant impact on undermining the administration?

The point is this has been politicized by both sides in a very significant and meaningful way. Biden and Harris wouldn't have changed that, instead New York would've listened and played nice while other states would've revolted.
 

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China has been really threatening Taiwan lately. Many experts believe they will attack in the next 5-10 years. Whoever wins the election is going to have to deal with this.
 

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How much detail do you expect her to be able to go into in 2 minutes? His tax plan has been out for a long time -- https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/her...x-proposals-mean-for-american-households.html
I think it's completely disingenuous to see people trying to say Biden has to give "more specifics" when he's the one with a real policy platform and real positions. Trump has been promising a healthcare plan for 5 years and still hasn't released anything that could be considered a real, detailed policy proposal.

Do you have a problem with Biden straight up denying parts of his platform? (See: Green New Deal)

And do you have a problem with neither Joe Biden or Kamala Harris answering the only meaningful question that has the power to destabilize the country to the point of a complete collapse? Literally a yes or no question, there is no nuance needed to answer it.
 

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How much detail do you expect her to be able to go into in 2 minutes? His tax plan has been out for a long time -- https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/08/her...x-proposals-mean-for-american-households.html
I think it's completely disingenuous to see people trying to say Biden has to give "more specifics" when he's the one with a real policy platform and real positions. Trump has been promising a healthcare plan for 5 years and still hasn't released anything that could be considered a real, detailed policy proposal.

Lax, you realize this would take all of 15-30 seconds to say. And I explained as such before. I specifically said all caveats before of, whether it was she didn't know it, couldn't recall it, didn't articulate it well enough, etc. isn't the point.

The point was, she was not able to articulate her points during the debate. She gets points for the articulating her views, not the ones she thought about saying but didn't.
 

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Idk...the quote of the old chief of staff talking about the Swine Flu didnt exactly seem to indicate they didnt shut down because it wasn't deadly. Seemed to me that he acknowledged that they simply got lucky that it wasn't particularly deadly.

There is a big difference between 1.) We made an informed decision not to take rash action because the harm done would exceed the harm avoided, and 2.) We made no decision and it ended up working out.

To be clear, the quote from Klain is an absolute doozy and 100% correct. He has since expounded on it -- what he meant, what they did, what went well, what didn't go well.

The bottom line is that they learned very early on that it wasn't particularly lethal and wouldn't lead to a mass casualty event, and because of that they could basically just ride it out. So his comment was more or less that they got "lucky" that it was mild, and nothing they did made it mild it was just good fortune it wasn't way worse. Part of the reason they put together the pandemic playbook, etc. was to establish processes for a future situation that might be worse. It's inarguable that their were some things the Obama administration did for H1N1 that weren't optimal and needed to be improved.
 

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Do you have a problem with Biden straight up denying parts of his platform? (See: Green New Deal)

The Green New Deal thing is a talking point that I don't think is working on anyone but the people who were already voting for Trump.

His plan is simply not the $100 Trillion "Green New Deal" that AOC put forth. All his website did was give a nod to it as an "important framework."

He has his own plan, which he has articulated in great detail, has some similarities to the "Green New Deal" but the vast majority of the so-called radical components of the "Green New Deal" are not part of his platform. People are intentionally conflating the socialist pipe dream that promised guaranteed jobs for everyone and 100% socialized medicine with Biden's environmental and fiscal policy positions. All one has to do is a fair contrast between the two to see how different they are.

And do you have a problem with neither Joe Biden or Kamala Harris answering the only meaningful question that has the power to destabilize the country to the point of a complete collapse? Literally a yes or no question, there is no nuance needed to answer it.

No, because I reject the premise that adding justices to the Supreme Court would "destabilize" the country to the point of "complete collapse." That's a ridiculous statement.
 

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No, because I reject the premise that adding justices to the Supreme Court would "destabilize" the country to the point of "complete collapse." That's a ridiculous statement.

You are a lot smarter than this.

You don't see a risk in fundamentally changing the only remotely non-political branch of government into a decidedly political branch? Doing that would essentially turn all the big cases into an issue of "which party most recently controlled the white house/senate?"

Surely it won't be a problem then when a Republican President/Senate confirm enough new Justices to nullify the artificial advantage that Democrats provide themselves? Will it be a problem when the following Dem POTUS/Senate combo confirm more justices? Do you not see a problem there?

It would absolutely destabilize the country and ruin the legitimacy of our system. Are you willing to risk states rejecting the Federal government just so you can temporarily get liberal legislation rammed through the court?

This objectively idiotic thinking is similar to playing pickup basketball games against an older sibling growing up and the loser has to do the winner's chores or give them the car this weekend or settle whatever childhood dispute there is. For years, you lose to them, eventually, you beat them a few times in a row, and now they want to change the rules in a way that benefits them. Maybe now they want to play golf, which they conveniently have played for years and you will need a few years to be able to realistically compete with them.

What's the point in playing with them if they are just going to change the rules every time you beat them? They aren't operating in good faith, they just don't want to do their chores and see this as a way to get around doing them for awhile.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New - Pelosi and Raskin to introduce bill creating a commission to review President’s health and fitness for office. This is what she was referring to when she referred to 25th Amendment. She’s having a press conference tomorrow <a href="https://t.co/nCXxzyfG16">pic.twitter.com/nCXxzyfG16</a></p>— Manu Raju (@mkraju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1314294069514907652?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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You are a lot smarter than this.

You don't see a risk in fundamentally changing the only remotely non-political branch of government into a decidedly political branch? Doing that would essentially turn all the big cases into an issue of "which party most recently controlled the white house/senate?"

The constitution doesn't stipulate 9 justices and has had varying numbers over the years. There's a strong argument to be made that the court should have a LOT more than 9 justices, and that appointments should not be lifetime.

The courts haven't been "non-political" since, at minimum, Obama's first term. And realistically it was long before that.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New - Pelosi and Raskin to introduce bill creating a commission to review President’s health and fitness for office. This is what she was referring to when she referred to 25th Amendment. She’s having a press conference tomorrow <a href="https://t.co/nCXxzyfG16">pic.twitter.com/nCXxzyfG16</a></p>— Manu Raju (@mkraju) <a href="https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1314294069514907652?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Considering Trump refuses to give honest answers about his health, something needs to be done. He's literally refusing to even release any information on his COVID testing.
 
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