Trump Presidency Round 2

[GATTACA!]

Denmark is an incapable and worthless partner. Greenland is a strategic asset necessary for future security. Ships company onboard the Ford is greater than the entire Royal Danish Navy, which includes ice breakers, coasties, and the defense of Greenland. Yes, I believe for the good of the alliance, the good of the US, the good of NATO, and the good of Denmark, it should be sold to the United States. I’m not advocating for bombing it or killing those people. I do however support pushing them to sell it to us and force them make it a security asset for NATO vice a future stepping stone for an adversary.

NATO is a worthless alliance in many ways. Trump 45 wasn’t that great, IMHO. But one thing I certainly appreciated was him finally lecturing our European allies that they had a role to fill and a defense obligation to meet. I’m not convinced out future partnership is worth a hoot. You see leaders like Sanchez and Starmer and see the degradation of these nations and realize it’s a deteriorating relationship. Dems can come in and kiss ass, send money, take pics and act like they are doing it right- but what’s that really worth?

Greenland is such a strategic stronghold. That’s why we voluntarily closed all our bases there except for 1.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Greenland is such a strategic stronghold. That’s why we voluntarily closed all our bases there except for 1.

There were a lot of decisions made in the 1990s into early 2000s with US bases and with the industrial base that were strategically short sighted.

 

[drayer54]

Greenland is such a strategic stronghold. That’s why we voluntarily closed all our bases there except for 1.

This is on par... Yes- post-Cold War they had some consolidation. You'll have to excuse some people for being forward looking.

 

[drayer54]

The fact that Iran, a purported party to the talks, says they’re not happening seems like pretty compelling evidence. They don’t benefit from undermining talks if they’re happening.

You got any updates from your sources on your projection here?

 

[GATTACA!]

This is on par... Yes- post-Cold War they had some consolidation. You'll have to excuse some people for being forward looking.

So reopen the bases? We have full military authority to do whatever we want on the island. It's never been about defense. You'd know that if you didn't have gullible written across your forehead.

 

[drayer54]

So reopen the bases? We have full military authority to do whatever we want on the island. It's never been about defense. You'd know that if you didn't have gullible written across your forehead.

Whatever we want on the island? Wherever we want on the island? Show me where it says that, please.

I thought I saw a reply….

 

[GATTACA!]

Whatever we want on the island? Wherever we want on the island? Show me where it says that, please.

I thought I saw a reply….

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/world/europe/trump-greenland-denmark-us-defense-pact.html

Under a little-known Cold War agreement, the United States already enjoys sweeping military access in Greenland. Right now, the United States has one base in a very remote corner of the island. But the agreement allows it to “construct, install, maintain, and operate” military bases across Greenland, “house personnel” and “control landings, takeoffs, anchorages, moorings, movements, and operation of ships, aircraft, and waterborne craft.”

It was signed in 1951 by the United States and Denmark, which colonized Greenland more than 300 years ago and still controls some of its affairs.

“The U.S. has such a free hand in Greenland that it can pretty much do what it wants,” said Mikkel Runge Olesen, a researcher at the Danish Institute for International Studies in Copenhagen.

“I have a very hard time seeing that the U.S. couldn’t get pretty much everything it wanted,” he said, adding, “if it just asked nicely.”

 

[drayer54]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/07/world/europe/trump-greenland-denmark-us-defense-pact.html

New York Times… great. I liked the DW one you deleted better. So we don't have to fight on media, lets go to the source document-
I believe that to be here -https://www.fmn.dk/globalassets/fmn/dokumenter/nyheder/2023/-us-denmark-dca-den-prime-english-20dec2023-.pdf

Can you tell me what “Agreed Facilities and Areas” means in respect to this agreement?

 

[Sea Turtle]

We are looking to add 3 more bases.

 

[GATTACA!]

New York Times… great. I liked the DW one you deleted better. So we don't have to fight on media, lets go to the source document-
I believe that to be here -https://www.fmn.dk/globalassets/fmn/dokumenter/nyheder/2023/-us-denmark-dca-den-prime-english-20dec2023-.pdf

Can you tell me what “Agreed Facilities and Areas” means in respect to this agreement?

That agreement gave us access to 3 Danish bases and unimpeded access to those areas within Denmark. This is the treaty that link was from in the post I deleted. I deleted it because I realized it wasn't the agreement I meant to reference. This one doesn't have anything to do with Greenland.

 

[IrishinSyria]

You got any updates from your sources on your projection here?

Still seems right, am I missing anything other than Trump continuing to announce a deadline and then repeatedly pushing it back when the Iranians say go fuck yourself?

 

[drayer54]

That agreement gave us access to 3 Danish bases and unimpeded access to those areas within Denmark. This is the treaty that link was from in the post I deleted. I deleted it because I realized it wasn't the agreement I meant to reference. This one doesn't have anything to do with Greenland.

Well you posted.…- either way- Greenland is not open range- we can fly and sail- but it's very much limited to agreed areas on land to respect Danish and Greenland's sovereignty. If we could do what we want, they wouldn't be prepping to blow the airfields lol. As we learned from Starmer, our allies aren't in lock step with us. A legitimate threat from the North, whether it be China or Russia could have us unnecessarily vulnerable to the North. The Danish government should recognize that they don't have the ability to remotely match our ability to secure and invest in that island. It's like a low-earning ex wife who gets the big house in a divorce and hangs on to it to watch it fall apart from no upkeep over the years and eventually get condemned but she held it for pride even though it had a tree growing out the living room. They just need to give it up.

 

[drayer54]

Still seems right, am I missing anything other than Trump continuing to announce a deadline and then repeatedly pushing it back when the Iranians say go fuck yourself?

Yeah, I think you are. Too much news from Iranian generals. Everything was fine in Baghdad too. They are being pounded and trying to coordinate leadership- Trump is creating chaos- again- appears to be solid strategy from our military leadership.

 

[calvegas04]

Yeah, I think you are. Too much news from Iranian generals. Everything was fine in Baghdad too. They are being pounded and trying to coordinate leadership- Trump is creating chaos- again- appears to be solid strategy from our military leadership.

I have an employee from Iran, he left in the 70s or 80s due to political reasons and is very much anti regime. He finally spoke to some family in iran yesterday. He told me due to the bombings people in the country are starting to rally back around the regime as they feel this is an attack on the people as well.

 

[ozzman]

I have an employee from Iran, he left in the 70s or 80s due to political reasons and is very much anti regime. He finally spoke to some family in iran yesterday. He told me due to the bombings people in the country are starting to rally back around the regime as they feel this is an attack on the people as well.

I've heard the same. Once the oil started raining on them, things took a turn.

 

[drayer54]

I have an employee from Iran, he left in the 70s or 80s due to political reasons and is very much anti regime. He finally spoke to some family in iran yesterday. He told me due to the bombings people in the country are starting to rally back around the regime as they feel this is an attack on the people as well.

Bombings can have that effect. I think a “good regime” is out the window and it's blow up as much as possible at this point. Unless we want to really commit, that goal is out of our control- except to keep killing leadership.

 

[GATTACA!]

Well you posted.…- either way- Greenland is not open range- we can fly and sail- but it's very much limited to agreed areas on land to respect Danish and Greenland's sovereignty. If we could do what we want, they wouldn't be prepping to blow the airfields lol. As we learned from Starmer, our allies aren't in lock step with us. A legitimate threat from the North, whether it be China or Russia could have us unnecessarily vulnerable to the North. The Danish government should recognize that they don't have the ability to remotely match our ability to secure and invest in that island. It's like a low-earning ex wife who gets the big house in a divorce and hangs on to it to watch it fall apart from no upkeep over the years and eventually get condemned but she held it for pride even though it had a tree growing out the living room. They just need to give it up.

At the height of the Cold War we had 17 bases on Greenland in accordance to the 1951 agreement. Nothing has changed since then besides us voluntarily closing almost all of those bases because we were sick of wasting resources on them. Nothing has changed in our agreement that would stop us from reopening as many of those as we want, or more.

They were preparing to blow up the airfields because Trump was threatening to take the territory by force.

The Danes and NATO do realize that. That was the entire point of the “Defense of Greenland Agreement”. The one where we got everything we wanted

When the U.S. met with Danish negotiators in 1951, the Americans presented a draft of the Greenland defense agreement that barely mentioned the Kingdom of Denmark at all. The U.S. negotiators were so focused on their unspoken goal of building the Thule base, that they overlooked Denmark’s rightful claims to sovereignty in Greenland.
In response, the Danish chief negotiator said that the Americans’ draft of the defense agreement gave the impression “that we have practically sold Greenland to the United States.” (Indigenous Greenlanders were not part of the 1951 negotiations.)
In reality, Denmark did not have much bargaining power in the negotiations over the future security of Greenland. NATO’s “mutual defense” orders were clear, and the U.S. was the only country with the military resources to provide defense for the island.
In the end, the U.S. got everything it needed from the 1951 Defense of Greenland agreement to build its secret air base at Thule. The U.S. could construct military installations, house troops and operate with near-total immunity in its “defense areas” within Greenland.

The 1951 Agreement Allowing US Military in Greenland | HISTORY

Directed by NATO, the mutual defense pact remains in effect.

www.history.com

 

[drayer54]

At the height of the Cold War we had 17 bases on Greenland in accordance to the 1951 agreement. Nothing has changed since then besides us voluntarily closing almost all of those bases because we were sick of wasting resources on them. Nothing has changed in our agreement that would stop us from reopening as many of those as we want, or more.

They were preparing to blow up the airfields because Trump was threatening to take the territory by force.

The Danes and NATO do realize that. That was the entire point of the “Defense of Greenland Agreement”. The one where we got everything we wanted

The 1951 Agreement Allowing US Military in Greenland | HISTORY

Directed by NATO, the mutual defense pact remains in effect.

www.history.com

I don’t think Trump was threatening to take the territory by force, nobody would seriously believe that. We didn’t circle it like Venezuela or Iran. We wouldn’t do that. We also clearly didn’t get everything we want. It is what is.

 

[GATTACA!]

I don’t think Trump was threatening to take the territory by force, nobody would seriously believe that. We didn’t circle it like Venezuela or Iran. We wouldn’t do that. We also clearly didn’t get everything we want. It is what is.

Trump literally said we’d take it one way or the other at one point. What are they supposed to do? Just assume he’s full of shit and not prepare any plans in case he didn’t back down?

Because everything “we” want includes Trump wanting to mine it for resources and for the US to own valuable land as the ice continues to recede. I don’t even care one way or the other but acting like it has anything to do with our military presence there is silly.

 

[calvegas04]

Trump literally said we’d take it one way or the other at one point. What are they supposed to do? Just assume he’s full of shit and not prepare any plans in case he didn’t back down?

Because everything “we” want includes Trump wanting to mine it for resources and for the US to own valuable land as the ice continues to recede. I don’t even care one way or the other but acting like it has anything to do with our military presence there is silly.

I wish he would talk like a normal human. It's annoying need MAGA followers tell us what he really means

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yeah, I think you are. Too much news from Iranian generals. Everything was fine in Baghdad too. They are being pounded and trying to coordinate leadership- Trump is creating chaos- again- appears to be solid strategy from our military leadership.

Maybe, but I’m not sure a tweet from a self proclaimed anti regime activist is compelling evidence of this.

Right now, to me, it looks like Trump’s bidding against himself because he started a war without a realistic vision for an end state and can’t follow through on his biggest threats because he views the markets puking as a real restraint. I guess you’ll chalk that up to TDS, and I’ll chalk chalking things up to TDS to daddy issues or whatever. No question this will end with us having smashed their military hardware, but only time will tell whether the end state justifies everything it took to get there.

 

[Irish#1]

I wish he would talk like a normal human. It's annoying need MAGA followers tell us what he really means

Anyone who's paid attention knows Trump always goes for the shock value up front in order to settle for what his real goal is. According to the Google machine, when we closed the bases in Greenland, the land reverted back to Greenland. It doesn't look like we can simply reopen those bases or build new ones without a new agreement.

• Current Standing: The U.S. has closed most of its sites, concentrating its presence, with the 2004 Igaliku Agreement limiting the primary U.S. "defense area" specifically to the Pituffik Space Base.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Anyone who's paid attention knows Trump always goes for the shock value up front in order to settle for what his real goal is. According to the Google machine, when we closed the bases in Greenland, the land reverted back to Greenland. It doesn't look like we can simply reopen those bases or build new ones without a new agreement.

• Current Standing: The U.S. has closed most of its sites, concentrating its presence, with the 2004 Igaliku Agreement limiting the primary U.S. "defense area" specifically to the Pituffik Space Base.

That's such a retarded way to approach negotiations as a repeat player though.

Like, yes, in a one off real estate deal maybe you can get one over on your counterparty by bluffing and blustering and treating it as a zero sum transaction. But U.S. success isn't based off on getting the best conceivable deal in a series of one off transactions, it's based on a system of mutually beneficial relationships where a whole bunch of countries agree to a lot of what we want specifically because they trust us not to screw them. If Trump thought reflating the U.S. footprint in Greenland was necessary, he surely could have negotiated for that without threatening to invade an ally.

 

[GATTACA!]

Anyone who's paid attention knows Trump always goes for the shock value up front in order to settle for what his real goal is. According to the Google machine, when we closed the bases in Greenland, the land reverted back to Greenland. It doesn't look like we can simply reopen those bases or build new ones without a new agreement.

• Current Standing: The U.S. has closed most of its sites, concentrating its presence, with the 2004 Igaliku Agreement limiting the primary U.S. "defense area" specifically to the Pituffik Space Base.

Defense areas is the same verbiage used in 51 agreement and there has been nothing agreed to since then that would superseded it. Danish officials said after Trump started talking about seizing Greenland that they had no opposition to us opening new bases. If this was all about military security why not just say we need X number of bases and assess what the response is?

 

[Irish#1]

Defense areas is the same verbiage used in 51 agreement and there has been nothing agreed to since then that would superseded it. Danish officials said after Trump started talking about seizing Greenland that they had no opposition to us opening new bases. If this was all about military security why not just say we need X number of bases and assess what the response is?

I’m fine with that. I never supported taking Greenland by force. If they could negotiate it okay.

 

[calvegas04]

 

[Bishop2b5]

You might want to Google this or ask your AI assistant. It's fake.

 

[ulukinatme]

I thought it was believable as a Trump tweet until he got to the 2nd chance portion. Tiger's on like his...4th or 5th life at this point, right?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Guys all jokes aside...the only professional athlete who could get a DUI in the afternoon is a golfer. Every other sport's athlete would be arrested after midnight and before sunrise.

 

[calvegas04]

You might want to Google this or ask your AI assistant. It's fake.

Is it bad to think it's something he would really say?