Trump Presidency Round 2

[IrishinSyria]

The fact your arguing Iran will hold up its end of the deal is ridiculous. "Death to America" has been their chant since 1979..

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/06/19/iranian-and-iranian-backed-attacks-against-americans-1979-present/

Iran and its proxy networks have engaged in hundreds of attacks against U.S. personnel and interests since 1979, ranging from direct actions like the 1979 embassy hostage crisis to decades of attacks by proxies in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, including over 180 attacks between October 2023 and November 2024.

Analysis of IAEA Iran Verification and Monitoring Report — February 2025 | ISIS Reports | Institute For Science And International Security

isis-online.org

Iran has repeatedly hidden nuclear facts, materials, and activities from the IAEA for over two decades, with major undeclared sites identified in 2003, 2009, 2018 (the "nuclear archive"), and continued issues regarding uranium particles found at undisclosed locations up to 2023. These instances are not single events but part of a persistent pattern of non-compliance, including failure to declare sites, obstructing investigations, and sanitizing locations to block verification.

Ok so because we have an adversarial relationship (notice your list excludes plenty of legitimate grievances they have against us) diplomacy will never work and instead we have to spend a couple hundred billion every few years bombing them?

Notably, the pattern of hiding sites you identified does not include any of the years JCPOA was in effect or even being negotiated. Also, the fact that we detected these secret sites despite not having a comprehensive inspection regime in place suggests we would have caught on pretty quickly if they had tried to cheat on the JCPOA, which had robust snap back mechanisms.

 

[drayer54]

did Trump just think that nobody would notice he completely made up peace talks and the markets would keep ripping?

What evidence do we have that he completely made up peace talks? As this moment, the Dow is up and oil is down.

 

[Bantry19]

No but we can trust them because Obama is cool and they wouldn’t lie to him

Yes, Obama famously conducted inspections himself.

 

[Bantry19]

The fact your arguing Iran will hold up its end of the deal is ridiculous. "Death to America" has been their chant since 1979..

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/06/19/iranian-and-iranian-backed-attacks-against-americans-1979-present/

Iran and its proxy networks have engaged in hundreds of attacks against U.S. personnel and interests since 1979, ranging from direct actions like the 1979 embassy hostage crisis to decades of attacks by proxies in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and Yemen, including over 180 attacks between October 2023 and November 2024.

Analysis of IAEA Iran Verification and Monitoring Report — February 2025 | ISIS Reports | Institute For Science And International Security

isis-online.org

Iran has repeatedly hidden nuclear facts, materials, and activities from the IAEA for over two decades, with major undeclared sites identified in 2003, 2009, 2018 (the "nuclear archive"), and continued issues regarding uranium particles found at undisclosed locations up to 2023. These instances are not single events but part of a persistent pattern of non-compliance, including failure to declare sites, obstructing investigations, and sanitizing locations to block verification.

All of these instances are from dates outside of the deal. Once again, we have zero evidence the JCPOA deal had not been working when Trump tore it up because...he wanted to.

 

[IrishinSyria]

What evidence do we have that he completely made up peace talks? As this moment, the Dow is up and oil is down.

The fact that Iran, a purported party to the talks, says they’re not happening seems like pretty compelling evidence. They don’t benefit from undermining talks if they’re happening.

 

[Fbolt]

All of these instances are from dates outside of the deal. Once again, we have zero evidence the JCPOA deal had not been working when Trump tore it up because...he wanted to.

That time it (JCPOA) worked.

This thinking seems hopeful and not rooted in reality. I just pulled from a few articles. Feel free to research and find an article that somehow, someway, Iran followed the rules, This Time.

And what about the proxy attacks?

IiS, yes, I didn't bring up their grievances. I would think someone who apparently served in Syria would say, F that. For example, when Israel hits drone hangars and Iran proxies retaliate by hitting Green Village???

 

[drayer54]

The fact that Iran, a purported party to the talks, says they’re not happening seems like pretty compelling evidence. They don’t benefit from undermining talks if they’re happening.

I know you love and trust Iran. Some papers and others saying it appears to be this guy that they are communicating with. This is also who they are asking to meet with.




Also- Trump loves to strike when the markets close.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I know you love and trust Iran. Some papers and others saying it appears to be this guy that they are communicating with. This is also who they are asking to meet with.




Also- Trump loves to strike when the markets close.

This guy?



I don’t “trust” Iran but I don’t really see the advantage for them in denying negotiations if there actually happening whereas I see lots of reasons for the US/Israelis to find an off ramp from following through on Trump’s threats and inviting retaliation that could set off a global depression.

 

[GATTACA!]

That time it (JCPOA) worked.

This thinking seems hopeful and not rooted in reality. I just pulled from a few articles. Feel free to research and find an article that somehow, someway, Iran followed the rules, This Time.

And what about the proxy attacks?

IiS, yes, I didn't bring up their grievances. I would think someone who apparently served in Syria would say, F that. For example, when Israel hits drone hangars and Iran proxies retaliate by hitting Green Village???

If there was proof that Iran hadn't followed the rules Trump would be mentioning literally every day since.

 

[drayer54]

This guy?



I don’t “trust” Iran but I don’t really see the advantage for them in denying negotiations if there actually happening whereas I see lots of reasons for the US/Israelis to find an off ramp from following through on Trump’s threats and inviting retaliation that could set off a global depression.

I don't know their motivations. Might be managing conflicting orgs in Iran. Who knows, but it does seem like a lot of folks who don't serve Trump pointing at this guy and open source intel folks suggesting this guy is working it.

 

[Irish#1]

The fact that Iran, a purported party to the talks, says they’re not happening seems like pretty compelling evidence. They don’t benefit from undermining talks if they’re happening.

Given their history supporting terrorism and murdering thousands of their own citizens in public, I have a hard time believing anything Iran says.

 

[Bantry19]

That time it (JCPOA) worked.

This thinking seems hopeful and not rooted in reality. I just pulled from a few articles. Feel free to research and find an article that somehow, someway, Iran followed the rules, This Time.

And what about the proxy attacks?

IiS, yes, I didn't bring up their grievances. I would think someone who apparently served in Syria would say, F that. For example, when Israel hits drone hangars and Iran proxies retaliate by hitting Green Village???

I already did. It's on the previous page.

What is This Time? Present day? Why would Iran need to comply with a deal no longer in existence?

Nobody is defending Iran in the slightest. Stop obfuscating.

We're rightfully criticizing the clown who put us in this mess, despite there having been an agreement in place that by all evidence and account we have, had been working.

Are proxy attacks a reason not to ensure a peaceful Iranian nuclear program?

Bitching about proxy attacks while your master is developing a $5B golf resort in Qatar and accepting 747's as bribes from Saudi Arabia is fucking hilarious.

 

[NDVirginia19]

The entire point of why the JCPOA sucked so hard was that it made it impossible for us to actually check to see if Iran was in violation, hence why we tore it up. Your entire schtick of "well there were no violations during the timeframe it existed" is 7th grader level logic

 

[Bantry19]

The entire point of why the JCPOA sucked so hard was that it made it impossible for us to actually check to see if Iran was in violation, hence why we tore it up. Your entire schtick of "well there were no violations during the timeframe it existed" is 7th grader level logic

Making decisions and arguments based on facts and evidence > Making decisions and arguments based on the whims of Trump’s demented ego.

From 2017:

IAEA inspectors now spend around 3,000 days in the field in Iran each year, twice as many as in 2013. As part of their extensive verification activities, they have taken hundreds of environmental samples and placed some 2,000 tamper-proof seals on nuclear material and equipment. In addition, the IAEA collects and analyses hundreds of thousands of images captured daily by its sophisticated surveillance cameras in Iran, and also collects and analyses several million pieces of open source information each month.

“All of our activities are supported by state-of-the-art technology, including data collecting and processing systems. Our current verification capability is much stronger than it has ever been,” Mr Amano said.

Today, he said, the combination of the CSA, the AP and additional transparency measures under the JCPOA represents “the most robust verification system in existence anywhere in the world.”

IAEA Now Has More Inspection Powers in Iran, Increased Knowledge of Its Nuclear Programme – Director General

The IAEA carries out stronger inspection activities in Iran and knows more about its nuclear programme as a result of the international agreement known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), Director General Yukiya Amano said in a speech at Harvard University today.

www.iaea.org

 

[Fbolt]

As soon as you went full donk mode about Golf Courses and 747s you were deemed not credible.

TDS yet again

 

[RDU Irish]

How exactly does this end if "we can't trust anything Iran says"?

 

[Bantry19]

As soon as you went full donk mode about Golf Courses and 747s you were deemed not credible.

TDS yet again

And yet, did I lie?

The real TDS is feeling the need to defend and back this pedophile protector (at best) through every shortsighted and mismanaged decision he makes to tear this great nation apart.

Irony of it is he couldn’t give two shits about you or any of the other sad sack MAGA doofuses. He’s in this 1,000% for himself.

The next decision or policy he makes based on improving your livelihood, or your community, or your environment, or anything beyond how he profits from it, will be the first.

And you know it.

 

[calvegas04]

Corruption at it's finest

 

[drayer54]

Corruption at it's finest

That shit should be dragged to the open and investigated. No excuses.

 

[IrishinSyria]

speaking of unchecked corruption:

 

[TorontoGold]

speaking of unchecked corruption:

How many Hunter Biden paintings can that buy?

 

[NDWarrior]

Corruption at it's finest

Eve of destruction, tax deduction, city inspectors, bill collectors
Solid gold in demand, population out of hand, suicide
Too many beers, hippies movin' to the hills
People all over the world are dying in the war
And the grift goes on
And the grift goes on
And the grift goes on
And the band played

 

[TorontoGold]

If there was proof that Iran hadn't followed the rules Trump would be mentioning literally every day since.

That you know of. Trump has been known to pull of masterful gambits before. He knows Iran didn’t comply, but didn’t want to tell anyone because the world isn’t based enough to know.

Or, you have to be full throating him and remotely criticizing him at this point would be admitting you debased yourself into believing the grift.

 

[NDWarrior]

That's all this ICE in the 'port shit is....

 

[NDWarrior]

LMAO!!! He got the idea via a talk show via Fox News. Bannon: "5D chess move by Trump". Guy can't even play checkers, let alone chess.

 

[GATTACA!]

Iran War Live Updates: Two Iran gas facilities hit despite Trump’s pause on energy strikes as conflict set to touch month-long mark - The Economic Times

US-Israel Iran War News Live: Strikes targeting Iran’s energy infrastructure marked a sharp escalation on Day 25 of the conflict on Tuesday, with the semi-official Fars News Agency reporting damage to key gas facilities in central Iran. According to Fars, offices of a gas company and a pressure...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

So about those peace talks....

 

[drayer54]

How many Hunter Biden paintings can that buy?

I like to think of it as 1/15 of a Californiia high speed rail project. These were more monuments than megawatts and these dollars will still have more ROI than Gavins choo choos.

Also- what did they pay the billion for?

 

[drayer54]

speaking of unchecked corruption:

How is that unchecked corruption? Tell me specifically why they paid out the billion dollars.

For bonus points- Use the keystone pipeline in your answer.

 

[drayer54]

That's all this ICE in the 'port shit is....

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Looks like ICE is helping airports move smoothly. We should have ICE everywhere.

 

[RDU Irish]

I would be much more supportive of TSA if they were focused on immigration enforcement. Privatize airport security with active referral arrangements with law enforcement. It's an expensive humiliation ritual boondoggle.

LOL at the grifter frauds front running. Dramatic reduction of the size and scope of government should be the rallying cry of both sides if we ever get serious about reforming our government. Instead, neo-cons are hard for bombing ME and Dems fall over themselves to excuse gimmigrants. Cut the federal budget in half and you won't have to worry so much about whether Trump or AutoPen are coming for you.