Trump Presidency Round 2

[ulukinatme]

2. It's disrespectful to people with actual spectrum disorders(specifically autism) to excuse Musk's behavior, sans evidence, as a result of a spectrum disorder(specifically autism). My nephew is diagnosed with autism. He has never done half of the dumb shit Musk has done and has never done anything resembling a nazi salute.

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

...I'm going to stop you right there, friend. As a parent of a severely autistic child I can tell you with 100% confidence that every person on the spectrum is different. They don't all follow the same patterns, they don't all have similar limitations or extraordinary abilities, they don't all behave the same way. No two are completely alike. Trying to diagnose Musk, who has been characterized and admitted to having Asperger's, based on your own limited experiences is...a choice.

I've seen many different kids on the spectrum over the years in my son's classrooms and other outside interactions. I don't claim to be an expert, but I feel like I've got some good background. I'll be the first to throw a penalty flag when I see someone trying to use the spectrum falsely as an excuse. I thought it was questionable that Eddie Vanderdoes appealed to transfer from ND multiple times, and on a 3rd attempt threw out that he was autistic when it had never come up before. That's something that can ruffle feathers. Based on Musk's awkward mannerisms and at times lack of self awareness in public I've seen nothing that would call into question his diagnosis.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

As a parent of a severely autistic child I can tell you with 100% confidence that every person on the spectrum is different. They don't all follow the same patterns, they don't all have similar limitations or extraordinary abilities, they don't all behave the same way. No two are completely alike. Trying to diagnose Musk, who has been characterized and admitted to having Asperger's, based on your own limited experiences is...a choice.

Has your child ever thrown out a nazi salute? No autistic person I know, and there have been hundreds, has.

Let me know.

I don't claim to be an expert

Good. You shouldn't.

I'll be the first to throw a penalty flag when I see someone trying to use the spectrum falsely as an excuse

Yet, you're here...blindly defending Musk's actions because of his "disorder".

Based on Musk's awkward mannerisms and self awareness in public I've seen nothing that would call into question his diagnosis.

Cool. Does that mean he should:
A. Not be held responsible for his actions
and/or
B. Apologize for his actions if they were inappropriate


I highly doubt if your child did what Musk did that you'd shrug and be like "welp, that's spectrum disorders for ya." and go about your day. I'd think/hope you'd explain why what occurred isn't appropriate and hold them accountable and if mea culpa's were needed...you'd make sure they occurred.
..and I will again repeat:

That being said, I don't really "care" about Musk throwing the salute out..or whatever the hell he did. It looked horrendous...but Musk was a piece of shit before he did that...and continues to be one after it. It's immaterial to me on my judgment of him. My bigger issue is people not holding him accountable for it or trying to sanewash it.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Has your child ever thrown out a nazi salute? No autistic person I know, and there have been hundreds, has.

Let me know.


Good. You shouldn't.


Yet, you're here...blindly defending Musk's actions because of his "disorder".


Cool. Does that mean he should:
A. Not be held responsible for his actions
and/or
B. Apologize for his actions if they were inappropriate


I highly doubt if your child did what Musk did that you'd shrug and be like "welp, that's spectrum disorders for ya." and go about your day. I'd think/hope you'd explain why what occurred isn't appropriate and hold them accountable and if mea culpa's were needed...you'd make sure they occurred.
..and I will again repeat:

That being said, I don't really "care" about Musk throwing the salute out..or whatever the hell he did. It looked horrendous...but Musk was a piece of shit before he did that...and continues to be one after it. It's immaterial to me on my judgment of him. My bigger issue is people not holding him accountable for it or trying to sanewash it.

You make me want to love Musk. LOL

 

[ulukinatme]

Has your child ever thrown out a nazi salute? No autistic person I know, and there have been hundreds, has.

Let me know.


Good. You shouldn't.


Yet, you're here...blindly defending Musk's actions because of his "disorder".


Cool. Does that mean he should:
A. Not be held responsible for his actions
and/or
B. Apologize for his actions if they were inappropriate


I highly doubt if your child did what Musk did that you'd shrug and be like "welp, that's spectrum disorders for ya." and go about your day. I'd think/hope you'd explain why what occurred isn't appropriate and hold them accountable and if mea culpa's were needed...you'd make sure they occurred.
..and I will again repeat:

That being said, I don't really "care" about Musk throwing the salute out..or whatever the hell he did. It looked horrendous...but Musk was a piece of shit before he did that...and continues to be one after it. It's immaterial to me on my judgment of him. My bigger issue is people not holding him accountable for it or trying to sanewash it.

Yeah, it wasn't a Nazi salute. Have you watched the full speech with audio, or have you only seen the clips that liberal propaganda accounts have pushed out with no audio and whittled down? Context is important. You need to watch this one too. It's a breakdown by an unbiased body language specialist but it also goes into the psychology of the whole thing:



The logic he goes into is more important than anything. Why would Musk ever make such a sign, what benefit is there? There's zero.

I really have no words. You're a real treasure, you might take the title of most delusional liberal here. I'm just unsure at this point if you're not just another sock, but the posting pattern fits.

 

[calvegas04]

You make me want to love Musk. LOL

Follow him on Twitter, that feeling will fade fast

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Yeah, it wasn't a Nazi salute

I disagree.

Have you watched the full speech with audio

Yes.

Why would Musk ever make such a sign,

Because he's a moron.

what benefit is there?

What is his downside? There apparently isn't any because people like you will defend him regardless!

I really have no words

Do you have non-verbal disorder?


Nice work avoiding my questions though. Can we blame that on your non-verbal disorder?

 

[ulukinatme]

Do you have non-verbal disorder?


Nice work avoiding my questions though. Can we blame that on your non-verbal disorder?

You are hilariously hypocritical. You find it disrespectful to people on the spectrum that Musk is diagnosed with Asperger's, and now you're disrespecting them yourself by calling me non-verbal so you can win political points? Holy fucking moley...that's, again...a choice.

I've answered quite a bit of your drivel already. There's not much more to say when you consider your opinion superior, with nothing to back it up, to the breakdown of that doctor who analyzed Musk's speech and the "salute." It really makes not a lick of sense for Musk to make such a gesture, but you've been easily brainwashed by liberal propaganda to think otherwise.

In your short time here I've seen you bring absolutely nothing logical to the table, you have nothing to backup your opinion. Your opinions have been some of the most radical of your compatriots that I've seen here, and you've barely been here for a cup of coffee. I'm going to give you the honor of being my first ever block on IE, because quite frankly you're a trash poster with no value to your name. That's quite an honor after nearly 14 years I've been on here. All you bring are opinions with nothing to back them up along with personal attacks. That's not intellectual debate, that's trolling. Trolls aren't worth my time.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

You find it disrespectful to people on the spectrum that Musk is diagnosed with Asperger's,

You apparently have a reading disorder too. Might want to get that checked.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

now you're disrespecting them yourself by calling me non-verbal

I asked if you have a non-verbal disorder. You said you had no words. I didn't call you anything.

I've answered quite a bit of your drivel already

You actually haven't.

you consider your opinion superior

Well..it is superior.

In your short time here I've seen you bring absolutely nothing logical to the table,

I'm going to circle back to you having some kind of reading disorder.

Your opinions have been some of the most radical of your compatriots

Radical AND superior!

you've barely been here for a cup of coffee.

I'm more efficient than SpaceX!

I'm going to give you the honor of being my first ever block

Cool. So this is your throwing up the white flag of surrender to my superiority and running away because you were bested again..and again..and again..and can't answer simple questions.

Hey, if you want to be a coward...go for it. People will see it for what it is.

That's quite an honor after nearly 14 years I've been on here

I'm surprised someone hasn't spun you up this bad prior to all of this.

All you bring are opinions with nothing to back them up

In the last three days alone I've been more than willing to go in-depth on border bills/policy, DoE memos, Ukraine, general immigration, and most recently a discussion of SpaceX and NASA.

Here's the thing, you're used to your stuff going unchecked around here or if it is checked it's by people you've posted with for years. The new guy comes in and hands you and others their heads on a silver platter, you have no viable counter-arguments, so you throw a tantrum, ad-hom me and run away. It's fine, but you're not fooling anyone here. I asked you very specific questions for very specific reasons...you've also chosen to avoid answering them for specific reasons as well. You know you're in checkmate with no way out. Again, that's fine. This was easy work for me.

I'll enjoy responding to you from now and on blowing your points up without you being able to respond...not that you'd have anything worthwhile to say in response anyway.

That's not intellectual debate

The next time you do something intellectual, it will be the first time.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Is Musk Derangement syndrome a thing?

 

[drayer54]

In the last three days alone I've been more than willing to go in-depth on border bills/policy, DoE memos, Ukraine, general immigration, and most recently a discussion of SpaceX and NASA.

Except- it’s all left-wing bubble bs. Its so on brand too, because it is the same condescending twist and lies that the party pretended and used to elect 47. Its funny though!

 

[drayer54]

Is Musk Derangement syndrome a thing?

Its a new thing.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Is Musk Derangement syndrome a thing?

Not sure. Ask the guy who got so upset over a discussion around him that he blocked someone on a message board for the first time in a decade and a half.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Except- it’s all left-wing bubble bs.

Is the bubble in the room with you right now?

 

[NDVirginia19]

I don’t think you’re arguing in bad faith but I think your vitriol has just taken away any objective measure of the man

 

[ulukinatme]

Is Musk Derangement syndrome a thing?

I feel like if you've contracted TDS in the past then you have a strong chance of it mutating into MDS later.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I don’t think you’re arguing in bad faith but I think your vitriol has just taken away any objective measure of the man

Perhaps my vitriol is the objective measure?...Perhaps my vitriol isn't even enough!

 

[Giddyup]

Perhaps you should not take your unhinged vitriol here

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Perhaps you should not take your unhinged vitriol here

Perhaps Musk should be a better person

 

[Giddyup]

Perhaps it’s past your bedtime

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Perhaps it’s past your bedtime

Perhaps it's not.

 

[Giddyup]

Perhaps the sun is green. Perhaps trump is a dictator, and on and on. Your imaginary world is beautiful

 

[ab2cmiller]

New guys posting style is exactly Bluto’s

 

[Bishop2b5]

The same person who supported a dim witted, senile fabulist and his even dimmer DEI replacement is questioning the intelligence of one of the most accomplished people in the world. Same person is also unable to refute a single argument or point with any facts or reason, but is quite adept at personal attacks and insults. A very impressive show of all that makes the typical leftist silly and not to be taken seriously.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Perhaps the sun is green. Perhaps trump is a dictator, and on and on.

I've never made any of those claims.

I said he's a wannabe dictator!

Time will tell!

 

[ulukinatme]

New guys posting style is exactly Bluto’s

Maybe Bluto's cocaine addled alter-ego.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

The same person who supported a dim witted, senile fabulist and his even dimmer DEI replacement

I didn't vote for Trump and Vance.

Same person is also unable to refute a single argument or point with any facts or reason,

Do you have the same reading disorder as the other guy?

quite adept at personal attacks and insults.

Just to review here real quickly, in the last few days on top of being labeled a "leftist" and "liberal" (which would both qualify as personal attacks/ad-homs as they were said with derision) I was also attacked with some kind of weird transphobic remark simply for discussing policy around Greenland. I was also told I have "no worth" among other things I'm sure I could go back and find...oh add in that I'm now apparently on cocaine! (for the record, none of these bother me. I find them humorous..because I know that when they are used, it means I am winning. They give me strength.)

I find it odd, yet humorous, that the same people who are so obsessed with calling out "liberal snowflakes" are also sensitive enough to view sarcastic questions as attacks and insults.

If you'd like to actually address anything I said on any policy topic, go for it. Every time I have thus far, your side and turned tail and ran and devolved into LOLZ LIBERAL posts rather than actually refuting anything on the merits.

So...ball is in your court.

 

[Giddyup]

I've never made any of those claims.

I said he's a wannabe dictator!

Time will tell!

He’s won elections. If he wanted to be dictator he’d declare martial law….hmmm

 

[BuaConstrictor]

He’s won elections.

How many?

..and as I said...time will tell.

Martial law a dictator does not make.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You act as though you hide it well.


See above...moving on.

Nice to see you avoided the points about Trump and his fundamental transformation of the US. Again, this boils down to ideology. You're fine with it now because it aligns with your view.

I'm still waiting for your supporting argument re: Obama and fundamental transportation and what that specifically involved.

I'm also legit cackling at Obama getting what he wanted from 2020-2024 when he was the President from 2008-2016.

Lastly, why is the demographic of the US changing a bad thing?

First, the more you type the worse it sounds. My goodness.

People didn't vote for Trump because he promised fundamental transformation. The two biggest issues for voters were inflation and the border. Were you dropped here last week from another planet?

Obama got fundamental transformation (not transportation, if you're drinking at 1pm) with government healthcare among others but that one being the biggest.

Half of the Biden admin was Obama leftovers, and they did their damage. Obama has been smiling ear to ear from Martha's Vineyard (or Hawaii) for the past 4 years.

Why the desperate need to change the US demographics and import millions of third world folk, the majority of whom don't speak our language, have little education and no learned skill?